Penalty for driving manual when on p's

29-01-2006, 09:59 PM

Does anyone know what the penalty is when driving a manual car when you only have your automatic liscence (when on p's) in Victoria?

brodfloyd · 29-01-2006, 10:04 PM

yeah, they make u drive a vn commodore for the rest of ur days

**Polyal** · 29-01-2006, 10:09 PM

lol^^^id rather lose my licence

But seriously Im not sure...you deserve a back hander for being a smart ИИИИ. If its not rego'd in your name and you were "borrowing" it then I see no problem.

But if its your car then you should be in some poop IMO.

Feathers · 29-01-2006, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

But seriously Im not sure...you deserve a back hander for being a smart ИИИИ. If its not rego'd in your name and you were "borrowing" it then I see no problem.

It's only accepted if there is a fully licenced driver (someone who can drive manual) in the car as well.
Like being on L plates.

Jeld-Wen Falcon · 29-01-2006, 10:09 PM

lol. i would imagine it would be the same as driving without a license.

Dave_au · 29-01-2006, 10:11 PM

I suspect its classified as driving contray to licence conditions.

Trevor 57 · 30-01-2006, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave_au

I suspect its classified as driving contray to licence conditions.

Yes, it is, but I would be surprised if they issued you a traffic infrigment if you were driving it OK. I don't think there is an on-the-spotter for it, I think it would be a Court jobby, which is why I think they would rather slap your wrists.

29-01-2006, 10:13 PM

and what is the penalty for thos infringements? Would it be a loss of liscence or a few demerit points?

brodfloyd · 29-01-2006, 10:15 PM

im pretty sure its 3 points and 200 odd buck fine, tho it might be one of those 5 point 400 buck ones, either way its not real smart.

what r u doing on a car enthusiast forum with only an auto licence in the first place???

Woz · 30-01-2006, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by brodfloyd

what r u doing on a car enthusiast forum with only an auto licence in the first place???

I have an auto license. What's your point?

When I got my license I was living in a small country town. The closest instructor was three towns over, about twenty minutes away, and so when he was over my way he'd either be in his auto car for the day or his manual car. He wasn't doing one test in the manual, then driving back home to pick up his auto car just to come back again. It was one or the other, and the manual car was booked out for over a month. He had his auto car in town about three days after I first rang him so I just did it in that to beat the wait as I already had my first car, an XF panelvan with t-bar auto.

Being a country boy, I'd been driving around paddocks and bush tracks and whatnot for years and know quite well how to drive a manual, so that's not the drama. It's just that I didn't want to wait any longer to get my license.

Does that make me less of a car enthusiast? Does that mean that you're any better than I am? Because if that's what you think, I challenge you to a duel.

**Glove slap**

brodfloyd · 31-01-2006, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Woz

I have an auto license. What's your point?

When I got my license I was living in a small country town. The closest instructor was three towns over, about twenty minutes away, and so when he was over my way he'd either be in his auto car for the day or his manual car. He wasn't doing one test in the manual, then driving back home to pick up his auto car just to come back again. It was one or the other, and the manual car was booked out for over a month. He had his auto car in town about three days after I first rang him so I just did it in that to beat the wait as I already had my first car, an XF panelvan with t-bar auto.

Being a country boy, I'd been driving around paddocks and bush tracks and whatnot for years and know quite well how to drive a manual, so that's not the drama. It's just that I didn't want to wait any longer to get my license.

Does that make me less of a car enthusiast? Does that mean that you're any better than I am? Because if that's what you think, I challenge you to a duel.

**Glove slap**

thems sound like alot of excuses for one thing, u being a big p.u.s.s.y

: and yes it makes u not only less of a car enthusiast and also less of a man.

and yes i am probably better than you

ps, heaps of other people live in a rural area and get their manual licence, eg me

16wantsI6 · 29-01-2006, 10:18 PM

^^^ haha to true.

lukey · 29-01-2006, 10:21 PM

Hmm, so I have an automatic licence at the moment and I'm on my Ps. I want to learn manual, so is it fine if I have a full licenced driver with me? And what plates do I display.. Ps I figure?

Feathers · 29-01-2006, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by lukey

Hmm, so I have an automatic licence at the moment and I'm on my Ps. I want to learn manual, so is it fine if I have a full licenced driver with me? And what plates do I display.. Ps I figure?

Yep, as long as you have someone who is licenced to drive a manual with you. You don't need to show L plates, you just drive on your regular licence. So if you're on P's - display them.

I learnt in a manual to begin with to avoid all this later...

Trevor 57 · 30-01-2006, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by lukey

Hmm, so I have an automatic licence at the moment and I'm on my Ps. I want to learn manual, so is it fine if I have a full licenced driver with me? And what plates do I display.. Ps I figure?

As you are a Victorian you run small "Driver Under Instruction" plates (similar to those you see on trucks and buses) as well as you P's, I think there is reference to these plates in the Drivers Handbook, if not, talk to Vicroads.

**Polyal** · 29-01-2006, 10:22 PM

guys be careful, you'd be amazed at how many soft-o-matic lovers there are here.

And if you have driven the new 6 speeder then you would know why. Id still take a crappy T56 than a ZF though....

brodfloyd · 29-01-2006, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

guys be careful, you'd be amazed at how many soft-o-matic lovers there are here.

And if you have driven the new 6 speeder then you would know why. Id still take a crappy T56 than a ZF though....

in no way am i bagging the concept of automatic gearboxes. (new ones especially) im just saying that for the time and expense involved that it makes sense in most situations to get a manual licence, especially if one is a car enthusiast, as most classic performance cars are manual. And for the freedom of having a manual licence in that it allows you to drive whatever car you want (power limit non-withstanding)

qwigybo · 29-01-2006, 11:06 PM

$100 and no demerit points i got caught twice when on my p plates

29-01-2006, 11:18 PM

Hi,
No this is actually my mate. I want him to drive down to show me his new car but he doesnt want to if the penalty is a loss of liscence. If anyone can give me some solid evidence that the penatly is less i would be able to convice him.

29-01-2006, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by mslodyczka

Hi,
No this is actually my mate. I want him to drive down to show me his new car but he doesnt want to if the penalty is a loss of liscence. If anyone can give me some solid evidence that the penatly is less i would be able to convice him.

Simple...You drive over to his place! No problems!

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K_Man · 30-01-2006, 12:37 AM

Interesting....My mate has an probationary automatic licence, and has registered 2 manual cars in his name the past two years, a Camira and a '98 Proton through VicRoads. You would think they would of picked it up?

Lukeyson · 30-01-2006, 08:37 AM

heres the demerit list for vicroads, couldnt see anything about auto licsense, but have a look around their site, should be on there.
Alot of the P plate offenses seemed to be 3 points

Hunter · 30-01-2006, 12:59 AM

Not bashing the original poster but god this question gets asked a lot on the internet!

IMO the govts. should do away with auto only licenses and have manual only. If you aren't coordinated enough or posess the requisite number of limbs and/or digits to drive a manual, then perhaps you shouldn't be driving. Of course there may be exceptions but I think as a general rule a manual license should be mandatory.

Simmo · 30-01-2006, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Hunter

Not bashing the original poster but god this question gets asked a lot on the internet!

IMO the govts. should do away with auto only licenses and have manual only. If you aren't coordinated enough or posess the requisite number of limbs and/or digits to drive a manual, then perhaps you shouldn't be driving. Of course there may be exceptions but I think as a general rule a manual license should be mandatory.

yeh i'll agree with that even though i have an auto only license. i got auto cos at the time both parents cars were auto and i had no money and nothing coming in. so i didnt see the point at the time. ive been driving the xr6 since the manual conversion and it was a steep learning curve but i'm loving it now. i really should go get my full.

30-01-2006, 10:28 AM

I did my NSW Red Ps in Auto, coz my manual pulsar had a flat the day of my exam.

After driving around for 10 months in a manual, and after 30 or so times being stopped by local Campbelltown cops for RBTs or just checking out where we were doing 2am in the morning, I came across some of the Penrith coppers, where I got done, $127 and 2 points and defected(for oil leaks, bullИИИИ, there was a few drops around the dipstick tube, from checking the oil.) They made me get a blue slip.

Skinna · 30-01-2006, 01:24 PM

Up here in darwin, if ya get ya p's with auto licence, after a year (on ya opens) you can drive a manual without being in the wrong, is this the same down south?

merlin · 30-01-2006, 01:33 PM

I think its good to learn in an auto first (for say 3 months) to grasp the basics of road rules, steering, acellerating and braking. Once those feel comfortable you can then concentrate on learning clutch and shifter and go for your manual license.

All my previous cars have been manual but latley I have turned a little lazy and bought an auto and am loving it for the sheer fact that it feeds my laziness further.

Trevor 57 · 30-01-2006, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by merlin

I think its good to learn in an auto first (for say 3 months) to grasp the basics of road rules, steering, acellerating and braking. Once those feel comfortable you can then concentrate on learning clutch and shifter and go for your manual license...

Being a Driver Trainer with near on 20 years experience, including training young drivers, my personal opinion is the start in an auto so that the new driver gets used to handling the vehicle, the road rules, the concentration required, etc, etc, then after the new driver is really comfortable with all that is going around them and handling the vehicle then move to a manual, there is enough to concentrate on when your new to driving without having to worry about gear changes too.

foxtrot · 30-01-2006, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Big_Trev

Being a Driver Trainer with near on 20 years experience, including training young drivers, my personal opinion is the start in an auto so that the new driver gets used to handling the vehicle, the road rules, the concentration required, etc, etc, then after the new driver is really comfortable with all that is going around them and handling the vehicle then move to a manual, there is enough to concentrate on when your new to driving without having to worry about gear changes too.

Big Trev

I fully agree

Im on my learners and when i first started it was in a manual.. well stupidity took over one night and me and my mate decided to drive around on our Learners.. i crashed and lost them for 6 months with an $800 fine and had to pay for the car that i crashed and the car that hit us.. totalled 5 grand all up.. and me being a trolley boy at the time it was realll fun to pay off!

Anyway im back on my learners and i this time around I've been driving my mums EB II Auto.. so much easier to get used to all the rules and learn what you need to focus your concentration on (NOT THE GEARS AND CLUTCH, THE ROAD AND THE RULES)

Well i've had a couple of lessons now in a Manual and im pretty much perfect, got hill start first go.. smooth perfect take off on the flat everytime.. I can still pay perfect attention to the road and whats going on around me and I don't need to pay attention to the gears and clutch so often.

learning to handle the car etc in an auto is great

P.S. I GO FOR MY P'S ON WEDNESDAY, GOT ANY TIPS TREV lol

Trevor 57 · 30-01-2006, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by foxtrot

. . . and im pretty much perfect, got hill start first go.. smooth perfect take off on the flat everytime.. I can still pay perfect attention to the road and whats going on around me and I don't need to pay attention to the gears and clutch so often.

learning to handle the car etc in an auto is great

P.S. I GO FOR MY P'S ON WEDNESDAY, GOT ANY TIPS TREV lol

Geez, you are doing well, I have been driving for 31 years and I wouldn't call myself "perfect"

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And my biggest tip: DO YOUR FAMILY A FAVOUR AND STAY ALIVE AFTER YOU GET YOUR LICENCE!!!!

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