W.A Police Now How XR6-Turbos

ThoR_ · 27-02-2007, 11:51 PM

I dont know if you W.A guys know it or not. Most of you will know about the few SS cop cars getting around. But i was behind a highway patrol car today and it was an XR6 Turbo. Well ill be shot in the doodle. Would of never thought this would happen. So dont try run now because there not normal 6`s anymore.

Mind you the wont be catching anybody because they will be spending more time at BP filling them up.

XR8-260 · 27-02-2007, 11:56 PM

Yep I saw one today on the freeway. Lucky cops...

kyro_02 · 27-02-2007, 11:57 PM

cops aren't allowed to exceed 130kmph in WA in a chase? or is that only in vic?

eitherway, i'd love an xr6T anyday

XR8-260 · 28-02-2007, 12:02 AM

An atmo 6 would get to 130kph quickly and easily. Why would a turbo/V8 be needed? Maybe they are used as deterrents?

Steffo · 28-02-2007, 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by 3

An atmo 6 would get to 130kph quickly and easily. Why would a turbo/V8 be needed? Maybe they are used as deterrents?

Because they'll be going 130km/h before the N/A version hits 100km/h? That'd be as good a reason as any to go the Turbo and/or V8. If everyone believes the police are slugs that can't catch anything, well then....

XR8-260 · 28-02-2007, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Steffo

Because they'll be going 130km/h before the N/A version hits 100km/h? That'd be as good a reason as any to go the Turbo and/or V8. If everyone believes the police are slugs that can't catch anything, well then....

Most are hwy patrol cars so would already be travelling at about 100kph already. Between 100 - 130, there is less of a difference.

Steffo · 28-02-2007, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by 3

Most are hwy patrol cars so would already be travelling at about 100kph already. Between 100 - 130, there is less of a difference.

Actually, there's more of a difference.

An XR6 Turbo is making 480Nm @ 2000-4250rpm. An XT is making 383Nm @ 2500rpm if its a Petrol and 370Nm @ 2500rpm if its LPG. A no-downshifts, left in top gear XR6T would match if not beat a downshifts, going for it at 110% XT 100-130km/h... let alone taking the XR6 down a few gears....

The concept of in-gear acceleration based on mid-range power delivery isn't too difficult to work out. You'll be hard pressed to find a car that will out-gun something like an XR6 Turbo in those sorts of acceleration bursts at those sorts of speeds...

BA_Turbs · 01-03-2007, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by kyro_02

cops aren't allowed to exceed 130kmph in WA in a chase? or is that only in vic?

eitherway, i'd love an xr6T anyday

It definately NOT Vic.

HenryV8 · 28-02-2007, 12:02 AM

I think they have been using XR6Ts in NSW for some time.

Beetus · 28-02-2007, 01:32 AM

yeh theyve been using them WA for a while, they are restricted to 140 in their police chases, but a guy i know was in one and he was doing 170 in his commodore and the police car was gaining, he was a idiot!!! they got him thank christ

XF Falcon · 28-02-2007, 01:47 AM

yeah saw a black one in freo the other week

the sneaky buggers!

ThoR_ · 28-02-2007, 02:08 AM

Actually depending on where they a depends on how fast they can go.

merlin · 28-02-2007, 07:04 AM

Gee I knew you guys were behind but 3 years behind... :-P

gregg_13 · 28-02-2007, 08:53 AM

WA police arent allowed V8's so you wont see any SS around. thats the reason we got the xr6t's. The govt introduced somelegislation claiming they didnt need V8's for safe pursuits so they dont get them.

ThoR_ · 28-02-2007, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by gregg_13

WA police arent allowed V8's so you wont see any SS around. thats the reason we got the xr6t's. The govt introduced somelegislation claiming they didnt need V8's for safe pursuits so they dont get them.

Dude how stupid are you. My Dad just retired. They have SS commodores. SV8`s and they have the Highway patrol executive commodore which is a V8.

And ive seen all of them

DJL351 · 28-02-2007, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoR_

Dude how stupid are you. My Dad just retired. They have SS commodores. SV8`s and they have the Highway patrol executive commodore which is a V8.

And ive seen all of them

When? Where? All 8's were dropped after the ID10T in the Commo wrote
off his partner.
Power slide in to a curb, launch 10 feet in to the air, before hitting a rather large tree. (at an estemated 180KPH)

They've used the SV6's for some time and are now using the XR6T.

ThoR_ · 01-03-2007, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by DJL351

When? Where? All 8's were dropped after the ID10T in the Commo wrote
off his partner.
Power slide in to a curb, launch 10 feet in to the air, before hitting a rather large tree. (at an estemated 180KPH)

They've used the SV6's for some time and are now using the XR6T.

No there not there is plenty of SS`s around. Saw a black one today in Wanneroo with lights in it and stuff and the cop was on the radio. There is a Red SS that patrols the country roads to.

So all you guys that think they dont have V8`s anymore think again. Plus my Dad just retired and a cop oh 26 years so i think he would know i asked him to get the info for me

I FluXx I · 01-03-2007, 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ThoR_

Dude how stupid are you. My Dad just retired. They have SS commodores. SV8`s and they have the Highway patrol executive commodore which is a V8.

And ive seen all of them

What the hell are you smoking crazy man. I dont think Iv seen a 8cyl cop car in WA for close to 10 years.

I seen quite a few cop xr6t so far. The other day a I saw a unmarked ego xr6t

5.0failane · 28-02-2007, 10:13 AM

the problem with the cop cars no being Xr8 or SS isnt so much how fast they can go it's their closing speed and taxi brakes. Here in WA we have a Pre School Government policy where if 1 person does something wrong the ruin it for everyone. So if one cop crashes a V8 they are too dangerous for all police. I am glad they have Xr's now at least they wont bake their brakes trying to over drive the cars and crash when the peddel goes soft.

FezWit · 28-02-2007, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ThoR_

Well ill be shot in the doodle.

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::hihi:

::hihi: GOLD!

XR06T · 28-02-2007, 12:04 PM

saw an unmarked black one in freo last week.. didn't spot premo brakes but wasn't looking hard!

honer · 28-02-2007, 12:17 PM

Yeah saw an unmarked black one the other week, stirred up a Rexie at a set of lights and the Rexie dragged him..

I'm sure you can guess the rest..... Good way to entice people to race as well. Get those hoon stats up.

xr8-200 · 28-02-2007, 12:42 PM

They have had them for a while. Both unmarked and marked.

Miss ford · 28-02-2007, 12:57 PM

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Yep the Wa police have finally got the message they are going to catch more HOLDON losers coz they are the ones i see wrapped around trees..the roads in WA will be better with the Police driving FORDS...time to get the idiots off the road..

QUOTE=ThoR_]I dont know if you W.A guys know it or not. Most of you will know about the few SS cop cars getting around. But i was behind a highway patrol car today and it was an XR6 Turbo. Well ill be shot in the doodle. Would of never thought this would happen. So dont try run now because there not normal 6`s anymore.

Mind you the wont be catching anybody because they will be spending more time at BP filling them up.[/QUOTE]

[Tonko] · 28-02-2007, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Miss ford

Yep the Wa police have finally got the message they are going to catch more HOLDON losers coz they are the ones i see wrapped around trees..the roads in WA will be better with the Police driving FORDS...time to get the idiots off the road..

Exceptional first post, even after i had to edit it, intelligently put together and well thought out, not to mention the spelling....

/end sarcasm

crusher · 28-02-2007, 09:20 PM

Im Pretty sure the call off speed is around 160 during the day and 130/140 at night. Its to do with the visibility from the lights in conjunction with speed and blah blah.

Even so Im pretty sure that an xr6T will catch you alot quicker than an xt. And even theyll catch you pretty quickly. Its not really worth the risk of licence/life to run.

As has been said the radio is quicker than the car. And if you get away theyve probably got your number plate. well your doubly stuffed then arent ya.

XR8-260 · 28-02-2007, 09:33 PM

ok ok i give up lol :hihi:
If the call of speed is 160kph I suppose it makes perfect sense for the police to use XR6Ts.

IMO, anything around the 130 mark just seems a little low to justify the need for a turbo. For example, I'm speeding at 110kph in my regular family 190kw XT. I see a cop car about 70 meters behind me. But, i'm already going 110kph and also have a 70m 'head start' so to speak. The XT is no slouch either. Chances are that by the time the copper catches up, I would already be 130kph plus. Bear in mind that this is just an example... I haven't actually tried this myself... yet

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Steffo · 28-02-2007, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by 3

ok ok i give up lol :hihi:
If the call of speed is 160kph I suppose it makes perfect sense for the police to use XR6Ts.

IMO, anything around the 130 mark just seems a little low to justify the need for a turbo. For example, I'm speeding at 110kph in my regular family 190kw XT. I see a cop car about 70 meters behind me. But, i'm already going 110kph and also have a 70m 'head start' so to speak. The XT is no slouch either. Chances are that by the time the copper catches up, I would already be 130kph plus. Bear in mind that this is just an example... I haven't actually tried this myself... yet

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Its clear you haven't by what you are saying. Here's what would really happen...

You're 70m ahead doing 110km/h speeding and floor it... policeman in XR6 Turbo is 70m behind you doing 100km/ and sees you and floors it. Before you know it, he's next to you in prime position to do as he pleases with you, a PIT manouvre for example. The performance difference is phenominal. We're talking several seconds difference 80-120km/h in-gear, which is a lifetime.

XR8-260 · 28-02-2007, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Steffo

We're talking several seconds difference 80-120km/h in-gear, which is a lifetime.

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:. I doubt it would be more than a second. Like you, I'm a good magazine/google "searcher". Stat-wise: The BA turbo (manual) does 80-120 in 4.0 seconds according to wheels. The XT/Futura does it in about 4.7 (wheels mag). Hardly "several seconds" as you put it. Also, did you know that the BA XT 4spd auto does not kick down to 1st when you floor it from 80kph? If it did it would be quicker.

Steffo · 01-03-2007, 01:31 AM

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:. I doubt it would be more than a second. Like you, I'm a good magazine/google "searcher". Stat-wise: The BA turbo (manual) does 80-120 in 4.0 seconds according to wheels. The XT/Futura does it in about 4.7 (wheels mag). Hardly "several seconds" as you put it. Also, did you know that the BA XT 4spd auto does not kick down to 1st when you floor it from 80kph? If it did it would be quicker.

Wheels Road Tests Annual 2006 -

BF XR6 Six-Speed Auto - Drive - 80-120km/h: 4.9 sec
BF Fairmont Ghia V8 Six-Speed Auto - Drive - 0-120km/h: 4.5 sec

Wheels May 2006 -

BF Futura Four-Speed Auto - Drive - 80-120km/h: 4.7 sec

Wheels June 2006 -

BF XR6 Turbo Six-Speed Manual - Third - 80-120km/h: 4.0 sec

Wheels October 2002 -

BA XR6 Turbo Five-Speed Manual - Third - 80-120km/h: 4.1 sec

Those are just the issues I know they drove XR6 Turbo's in, for some comparative times.

Oh, the reason the BA XT 4spd auto doesn't kick down to 1st at 80km/h is because the maximum speed in first gear is 88km/h @ 6000rpm... obviously the software is designed not to do this as it would introduce a needless gearshift (slows the car down) for minimal gain. If it could do something like 100km/h in first... then it might be beneficial for an 80-120km/h roll.

Needless to say, an auto XR6 Turbo would be at least five tenths infront of a 6-cyl XT 80-120km/h, which is a significant amount. May not seem so on paper, but in the real world, its slaughter.

Now if you're talking manual times (held in certain gears), the higher the gear, the wider the gap between them, and in 5th and 6th, the gap is several seconds XR6 Turbo to XT. Which, while not a realistic scenario, highlights the massive difference in power between the two.

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Originally Posted by 3

It's clear you haven't either by what you are saying.

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XT to XR6 Turbo, no, I've never had the pleasure of comparing them. BAII XR6 N/A to VY SS I have seen though, and the 465Nm @ 4400rpm V8 Holden leaves the 380Nm @ 3000rpm I6 Ford for dead any gear, any revs, period. Now imagine an XR6 Turbo, which has 480Nm @ 2000-4250rpm as a BF and more torque at 1000rpm then the XT makes at peak. How do you think that would turn out? Car lengths apart.