BA brakes onto AU...

HLC · 02-03-2007, 05:17 PM

as the title suggests, will some BA XR6 front brakes be a straight swap conversion onto my AU?

that being said, are those brakes are bigger, and would it be a worthwhile coversion?

au^dude · 02-03-2007, 05:23 PM

They should fit straight on. Why not just get the ones the FTG was selling.
http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...6&page=4&pp=25

HLC · 02-03-2007, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by au^dude

They should fit straight on. Why not just get the ones the FTG was selling.
http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...6&page=4&pp=25

cause i found a set for CHEAP. ;)

au^dude · 02-03-2007, 05:41 PM

ohhh its like that. They should fit, if the brake upgrade for FTG fits from Au2 to BF the XR shouldn't have a problem.

NeishaXR8_347 · 02-03-2007, 06:21 PM

Yes they do fit HLC i got a set cheap for mine also, its not just the 15mm bigger its the pad that makes the differance as the caliper is bigger so the pad is bigger then the AU2 setup.

mattp · 02-03-2007, 07:25 PM

Damn my AU1 and its tiny brakes!

NeishaXR8_347 · 02-03-2007, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by mattp

Damn my AU1 and its tiny brakes!

Convert it over, find a person wrecking one in the trading post and grab the whole lot.

mattp · 02-03-2007, 07:36 PM

I've thought about it, but would cost at least a grand, so I'm just going to stick with my slotted rotors and decent pads (for now at least). Just for future reference though, what's needed, is it the calipers, stub axles, what else? Easiest option would be to get some T1 brakes, but I don't like my chances of finding any.

GK · 02-03-2007, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by mattp

I've thought about it, but would cost at least a grand, so I'm just going to stick with my slotted rotors and decent pads (for now at least). Just for future reference though, what's needed, is it the calipers, stub axles, what else? Easiest option would be to get some T1 brakes, but I don't like my chances of finding any.

Give it up! With all the T gear on your steed, I'm sure you'll find some! LOL!

GK

au^dude · 02-03-2007, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by mattp

I've thought about it, but would cost at least a grand, so I'm just going to stick with my slotted rotors and decent pads (for now at least). Just for future reference though, what's needed, is it the calipers, stub axles, what else? Easiest option would be to get some T1 brakes, but I don't like my chances of finding any.

Dont quote me on this but think that you can just get the T-series Stub Axles and then put eh Series 2 brakes on your car, sit them were the standard brakes sit. I have been told that the T-series Calipers and the Series 2 calipers are the same just the the T is larger.

HLC · 02-03-2007, 10:59 PM

rears would be cool then as well eh?

hmmmmmmmm

JC · 03-03-2007, 07:58 PM

I got a full set of BA Turbo callipers, pads, & discs (front and rear) for $60. Just need the other bits to do the upgrade on my AU1 as well.

RG · 04-03-2007, 07:42 AM

Any difference between the BA XR and say XT/Futura brakes? What parts will I need, just calipers, discs & pads I presume.

JC · 04-03-2007, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by RedXR347

Any difference between the BA XR and say XT/Futura brakes? What parts will I need, just calipers, discs & pads I presume.

According to the DBA site, they are all the same. BF brakes may be bigger again, and Territory certainly are, and all will bolt straight up to AU2 onwards, as long as you replace both discs and callipers at the same time, and of course, pads. The size difference in the front callipers is enormous (compared to AU1 anyway). Info from the DBA site in italics:

BA 4.0L DOHC XT, Futura, XR6 4.0L, XR6T 4.0L Turbo, XR8 5.4L V8 4V
Fairmont + Ghia 2002 - on
Front Vented 298mm DBA Part No 504
Rear Solid 303mm DBA Part No 505

If you can get the Premium Front brakes from a GT, Pursuit etc, they are 325mm vented discs. Rears are the same as above.

The G6ET Spot · 04-03-2007, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by JC

According to the DBA site, they are all the same. BF brakes may be bigger again, and Territory certainly are, and all will bolt straight up to AU2 onwards, as long as you replace both discs and callipers at the same time, and of course, pads. The size difference in the front callipers is enormous (compared to AU1 anyway). Info from the DBA site in italics:

BA 4.0L DOHC XT, Futura, XR6 4.0L, XR6T 4.0L Turbo, XR8 5.4L V8 4V
Fairmont + Ghia 2002 - on
Front Vented 298mm DBA Part No 504
Rear Solid 303mm DBA Part No 505

If you can get the Premium Front brakes from a GT, Pursuit etc, they are 325mm vented discs. Rears are the same as above.

The BF range Fairmont, Fairlane and the XR's got the upgrade to the larger Territory brakes

Front 322mm Vented
Rear 328mm Vented
Which is a big improvement on the old ones.Just ask Vic!!! Not sure if they put the larger brakes across the whole range including the XT's.

genebaby · 05-03-2007, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by RAPID XR8

The BF range Fairmont, Fairlane and the XR's got the upgrade to the larger Territory brakes

Front 322mm Vented
Rear 328mm Vented
Which is a big improvement on the old ones.Just ask Vic!!! Not sure if they put the larger brakes across the whole range including the XT's.

YES!!!! Just got my brakes on last week, stuffed around getting them powder coated and rebuilt, but with slotted rotors, braided lines and some good pads, they are very kick ***.

When the car is clean I'll take some pics and put them in the BA thread.

AU2 - BF, any brakes that bolt on to one model, will bolt onto another, so you can put Terry/BF brakes on your AU2 onwards. If you can get them cheap, which you should be able to, BA brakes are a worthy upgrade on an AU.

HLC · 04-03-2007, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by JC

I got a full set of BA Turbo callipers, pads, & discs (front and rear) for $60. Just need the other bits to do the upgrade on my AU1 as well.

gah! thats cheaper than what i can get em for. im haggling LOL

JC · 04-03-2007, 11:43 AM

Compared to the 287mm Front and rear on AU1 & 2, the BA brakes are a good upgrade, and the calliper size alone has to be seen to be believed.

**Mechan1k** · 04-03-2007, 12:05 PM

I can assure you ... the brakes on the Territory are bloody good indeed (especially when towing) ... EBD/ABS/ETC really help out as well.

They make my AUII with slotted rotors feel like crap.

Still saving for the Mustang/Sumitomo upgrade (330mm 4-piston goodness) for the front of the ute.

JC · 04-03-2007, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mechan1k

I can assure you ... the brakes on the Territory are bloody good indeed (especially when towing) ... EBD/ABS/ETC really help out as well.

They make my AUII with slotted rotors feel like crap.

Still saving for the Mustang/Sumitomo upgrade (330mm 4-piston goodness) for the front of the ute.

It might be cheaper, and just as effective, to get a set of Terry brakes for the Ute - they bolt straight up (disc, pads & calipers)

rob_liss_lms10 · 04-03-2007, 08:13 PM

I was looking at doing this as well, are you sure the rears will fit..the AU rears are facing forward (calipers) and on the BA the are facing rearward.

JC · 05-03-2007, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by rob_liss_lms10

I was looking at doing this as well, are you sure the rears will fit..the AU rears are facing forward (calipers) and on the BA the are facing rearward.

I've wondered about that as well. I will only know once I try, and that won't be until I get uprights, lower control arm and hub - maybe in a month or so.

S3SR · 04-03-2007, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by JC

It might be cheaper, and just as effective, to get a set of Terry brakes for the Ute - they bolt straight up (disc, pads & calipers)

are calipers the same across the range of terry's? and how much better than std AU3 calipers?

blue terra · 05-03-2007, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Mechan1k

I can assure you ... the brakes on the Territory are bloody good indeed (especially when towing) ... EBD/ABS/ETC really help out as well.

They make my AUII with slotted rotors feel like crap.

Still saving for the Mustang/Sumitomo upgrade (330mm 4-piston goodness) for the front of the ute.

try towing with a s1 ute. You curse everyone who cuts you off.

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But will be sorted next friday. got the s2 upgrade going on with Ba brakes i think it is.

AU2PWR · 04-03-2007, 08:21 PM

When are you doing this Henri , Maybe a HOW TO if it goes to Plan ...

philstoj · 04-03-2007, 08:31 PM

Dont waste your money on BA brakes, for a very small extra, you can get the BF XR8 brakes and they bolt straight on, no mods to AU2/3 models, the difference in braking performance is huge.

RG · 04-03-2007, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by philstoj

Dont waste your money on BA brakes, for a very small extra, you can get the BF XR8 brakes and they bolt straight on, no mods to AU2/3 models, the difference in braking performance is huge.

But where and how much?

philstoj · 04-03-2007, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by RedXR347

But where and how much?

FTG $650 for slotted front discs, PBR2 caliper and ford pads, even brake line, new in box.
Very reasonable price, just as good as the factory premium.
Only thing i would do is fit braided steel lines.

These are pics of the ones ive fitted, they are the solid discs, they now sell them with slotted RDA rotors.

HLC · 04-03-2007, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by philstoj

Dont waste your money on BA brakes, for a very small extra, you can get the BF XR8 brakes and they bolt straight on, no mods to AU2/3 models, the difference in braking performance is huge.

say if im getting my brakes for $100, how much is a small extra?

if i do pick up the brakes... need to find a place to hide them from the old man

: they wont go on, til i get bigger rims. 17's at least...

philstoj · 04-03-2007, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by HLC

say if im getting my brakes for $100, how much is a small extra?

if i do pick up the brakes... need to find a place to hide them from the old man

: they wont go on, til i get bigger rims. 17's at least...

Well if your getting brakes for $100 are they new?
With this kit, you will need 17" minimum.
$650 for the fronts, and $650 for the rears for sedans, utes will require bigger backing plates so that is $250 extra.