New speed cameras

[jaydee]

Saw something on ACA the other night, some new cameras called point to point cameras.
You get your pic taken by one camera and they have another one a few kays down the highway and it takes your pic again. Computer figures out your average speed over that distance and if you have travelled the distance in under the time you should doing the speed limit you get a nice letter in the mail.
So be warned, just 'cause you pass a camera doesn't mean you can speed up until you get to the next one and slow down again.

[Keepleft]

Discussion around here somewhere about these.

Get to know where they are and each point, stop and have a break before the second unit on a length of road, IF you think you'll be done.

Additional hazard = being stopped by the freeway/highway's road side. Try a rest area instead if you can.

These are common in France (typically between tollgate locations), so is the public reaction.

Just more bull$hit for people to contend.

[kyro_02]

but they can't get you for an unregistered vehicle permit hey? ... no plates huh

[Pursuit_chick]

whats the point!!
ONE normal speed camera would snap you straight away if you were speeding, having two is just stupid.
If you were speeding (say 10k's over) when you went past the first one, you could just slow down 20k's and be 10k's under and you wouldnt get caught cause it would only give an average speed during the km's driven!

If the first camera can still snap you straight away for speeding, whats the point of the second one!

[The G6ET Spot]

Originally Posted by Pursuit_chick

whats the point!!
ONE normal speed camera would snap you straight away if you were speeding, having two is just stupid.
If you were speeding (say 10k's over) when you went past the first one, you could just slow down 20k's and be 10k's under and you wouldnt get caught cause it would only give an average speed during the km's driven!

If the first camera can still snap you straight away for speeding, whats the point of the second one!

They don't actually get you speeding at one camera,you are detected at two different cameras and an average speed is calculated on the time it took you to travel the distance between the two. This technology has been around in NSW for over 15 years, but has been used on trucks only, as far as I know. It works better than a normal speed camera as on a freeway where you have a 110kph speed limit,trucks are still restricted to 100kph. So the authorities can only set the speed camera to one speed so they miss out on the cars or the trucks, whichever way they set them.This way the actual speed at the camera doesn't matter.You will be surprised how many people will get caught though.

[holmsy]

beacause its extremely likely you cant do your maths well and get your speed exactly averaging right unless you just go way under and make your avarge alot lower. BUT what is the chances that somone going 10kmh over is gana wana go 10-20kmh under the limit. specially with cars coming flying up their ***. i guarantee it would catch more than double the amount of people speeding.

[kyro_02]

wonder if they take in to consideration the pasco vale rd?? turn off where you go down the decent and up and under tunnel with the lights, gotta be on the brakes and watch your speedo... well they won't get me anyway :P

edit:

I would be all for these cams..... but 3kmph is bloody ridiculous.... should be atleast 10kmph! damn bracksy

[XCSEDAN]

revenue raising
thats all it is.
even the police sargent i know says "its all just revenue raising, and it makes things worse!"

[xr6ist]

Absolute ******* bullshit these cameras are oneday a club will rise up called speed camera destroyers id donate $100 bucks for every speed camera they **** up.

[holmsy]

hmmm thats another good thing for the club i guess. they only need to kill one of the cameras rather than 2 :P

[TUF514]

if we didnt speed, they couldnt afford to invent new camera schemes.

[XR Martin]

If they are the same ones they use in the UK then all you need to do to confuse them is to change lanes.

[Christiaan]

Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

If they are the same ones they use in the UK then all you need to do to confuse them is to change lanes.

I doubt they'd spend all that money then have that happen.

I'll donate $10 to anyone willing to try it though! :P

[Outbackjack]

This set up will also give the data banks a huge boost. Just think of all the info that they will gather on the where abouts of every one that uses these roads.

[Outbackjack]

Click on photo blocking......

http://www.securitygear.com.au/

If it is really a problem, and we all know that it is about revenue, take some positive action.

[XCSEDAN]

that site is coming in handy....

[TEaaron]

Buying a pair!

[TUF514]

Originally Posted by XDaaron

Buying a pair!

The cops will confiscate them mate.

You arent allowed to have ANYTHING covering your number plates.

[Outbackjack]

Probably the best bit of kit on that site is the laser assisted parking system. Take a close look. Thinking along those lines myself.

[AC/DC]

Hey I just had a thought.....

Wouldnt it be much eaiser to just not speed ?

AC/DC

[Outbackjack]

Originally Posted by AC/DC

Hey I just had a thought.....

Wouldnt it be much eaiser to just not speed ?

AC/DC

I wondered when this simplistic and patronising comment would rear its ugly head. Just wait until you cop a huge fine and some points because your speedo was slightly out, or you are in a crowded traffic situation, ie merging, and are too busy updating your situational awareness to focus on your speedo, you slip over the posted limit and have a happy snap taken. THEN post your dumb comments.

[Silver Ghia]

Originally Posted by Outbackjack

I wondered when this simplistic and patronising comment would rear its ugly head. Just wait until you cop a huge fine and some points because your speedo was slightly out, or you are in a crowded traffic situation, ie merging, and are too busy updating your situational awareness to focus on your speedo, you slip over the posted limit and have a happy snap taken. THEN post your dumb comments.

Or you miss that speed limit sign because you're busy merging into traffic and trying to avoid everyone.
Example: Westgate Bridge Melb. when coming onto it from Todd Road, and theyve lowered the limit with the variable signs. Catches me each time, luckily I havent had a notice yet.

[bodes-sh]

they have these between marla and pt augusta on the stuart highway, from what i've heard for trucks only at the moment, the problem being is that the one in pt augusta is only to get people going to adelaide, if you head west there you don't go past the second camera, it's on the bridge...pretty stupid if you ask me, you'd think they'd have it on the way into town

[05MkIIFutura]

This is going to get the herd all fired up, but I am going to say it anyway.

These cameras are a good idea as they catch those people who deliberately speed continually, not the poor bugger who gets caught at the bottom of a hill because he took his eyes off the speedo and on the road (where the damn well should be) for 5 seconds. People who speed intentionally slow down for single point camera's, people who accidently speed don't. Simple as that.

I am not saying I agree with speed camera's on the Hume with low speed tolerances.

And, unfortunately, stopping at macca's twice on a trip will do you no good as the way the RTA wants to set it up, there will be a point-to-point camera every 20-25km's. I dont think you will be stopping 18 times between Sydney and Wagga.

[Full Noise]

It these boneheads in Spring Street don’t think that this is just a revenue raising exercise, why don’t they tell us what the minimum time is between the camera sites?

They have a duty of disclosure. How do we know if the calculations are correct or is this one of those situations where it’s, “Trust me, I’m from the government”?

At least with the SAFE T CAM system they make the camera times public knowledge. Anyone can check on the RTA website for the times between the cameras.

And before anyone gets on the “just don’t speed” bandwagon, consider this:
In Victoria we have a 3 km/h tolerance, so let’s do a few calculations.

At 100 km/h you are travelling 27.78 metres per second.
At 101 km/h you are travelling 28.06 metres per second.

This is a net gain of 0.28 metres per second on just 1 km/h or a distance of 0.016 metres. If your speedo is 2 km/h out over a distance of 40 kilometres, you can still get knocked off.

The cameras are set up in a 100 zone until you get to Kalkallo where the speed limit changes to 110 within the point to point camera zone.

If there is anyone here on AFF that thinks their speedo is 100% accurate, SPEAK NOW OR FOREVER HOLD YOUR PEACE.

Also, if there are people here that can tell when their speedo is on 100 or 102 with all of the other distractions that are going on while driving, please tell us who you are and when you’ll be travelling so we can all avoid you. I’d rather that the cars travelling around me are watching the road instead of their drivers’ eyes being fixated on the bloody speedo.

[05MkIIFutura]

Originally Posted by Full Noise

I’d rather that the cars travelling around me are watching the road instead of their drivers’ eyes being fixated on the bloody speedo.

I agree and I also think that this makes point to point camera's (with reasonable tolerances) a better idea than single-point camera's (which are often, very conveniently, at the bottom of steep hills where Cruise Control doesnt hold the car back)

[Pedro]

It's just sickening to see those hypocritical sh*thead politicians on the TV news wringing their hands and groaning about the road toll and spending our taxpayer's money buying more speed cameras. Then go on to assure us this will lower the road toll while not even entertaining the notion that driver education could possibly be a benefit. They know that speed cameras are just a revenue source. They are just scum.

[Sledgehammer]

Originally Posted by Pedro

It's just sickening to see those hypocritical sh*thead politicians on the TV news wringing their hands and groaning about the road toll and spending our taxpayer's money buying more speed cameras. Then go on to assure us this will lower the road toll while not even entertaining the notion that driver education could possibly be a benefit. They know that speed cameras are just a revenue source. They are just scum.

Harsh words Pete....mabey true though.

[YOOT]

I hate to point this out, but the whole point of installing these cameras is to slow you down. Unless you want a fine and loss of points, thats what you will have to do. The system works.

I don't agree that speed kills, but if there are ways to slow you down, then this is on eof the best.