Dearborn claims the Ford Aus archives

[Bill M]

You would think they would leave them in Ford Australia's hands, its not like we would sell them to the Chinese Govt.

More than 90 years of Ford’s Aussie history set to be shipped to the US.

http://www.wheelsmag.com.au/news/160...ralian-archive

[roddy1960]

G'day...Tell them to get their grubby little hands off our stuff..Maybe they want the 'bullet proof ' engines secrets to sell to the US Government for the Presidents Limo..All it needs is a decent engine , its got everything else including the kitchen sink..Cheers Rod..

[Trump]

In the end, there is 5/8 of eff all that can be done to keep the material here. The intellectual property is owned by Ford HQ in the US. If they want to appropriate the material, that's their call.

[HO 3]

^^^^
Does not look good for any long term local Ford engineering prospects, how long until the entire show moves O/S then..............more smoke and mirrors BS by the sound of it.

Cheers Mick

[Nikked]

"American company want historic archives kept in America"

[Adamz Ghia]

I don't see the problem? It's staying with the company, and it's not being destroyed, just stored in a propper preservation environment.

[WindsorXR]

Ford are still pouring a hell of a lot of money into our research and product development areas.
Ford Australia is one of the best in terms of product development. It's only natural for the big Ford HQ to want an advantage.

I'm not worried at all.

[P6LTD351]

Can people stop with this notion that Ford was Australian at all. Everything we did over here had to be approved by HQ. They own Ford Aus....it's their property, not ours!!!

[hackney]

They have a right to claim any material(intellectual property rights I would have thought.) Ford Motor Company are the ones who gave the "go-ahead" to set up operations in Australia all those years ago,so why shouldn't they have a right to material which is rightfully theirs?Cheers

[chizzy86]

It should IMHO. When I visited the ford museum it was seriously lacking any ford aus content

[malazn mafia]

So the blueprints for FG falcon and the Barra motor will be taken away ?? How about the die casts, etc?

[HO 3]

As an Australian tax payer who has helped US Ford stump up there investment in our local car manufacturing all these years I would also like to make a claim to this so called "intellectual property"..........................those black books used by the engineers would be full of our unique historical information on change levels and design revisions that many local Ford enthusiasts would love to see shared before its spirited away overseas and never seen again. FFS it's a big part of our local car manufacturing history.................If the buggers absolutely, positively have to have this stuff send them copies, not the original guf.

Cheers Mick

[Paull]

The archives in the US are high quality and will retain the condition of the documents for as long as Ford need them. The same cannot be said about the archives here. What is somewhat ironic is that I dare say, no one in the US will ever be interested in accessing Ford Aus based stuff once there. What I have been told is that any Australian wishing to gain access, will have very little chance at all. A real shame.

All that we will be left will be the electronic records of vehicle builds.

[jakkes]

so i bloody bet when someone wants to look up what their xr-xb falcon was built with "option sheets"
we will have absolutely no chance of retrieving that info anymore we should still have access to that sort of information time will tell i suppose

[roddy1960]

Originally Posted by Loud_Noises

In the end, there is 5/8 of eff all that can be done to keep the material here. The intellectual property is owned by Ford HQ in the US. If they want to appropriate the material, that's their call.

G'day LN and all.....Maybe if they take a bit of good old intellectual property from OZ to Septic Tank Land it'd be a good thing..they might actually learn something..or MAYBE NOT.. About a week ago I hooked up to a US based Ford Forum to see what they talk about and to educate them on the demise of Ford Australia manufacturing. I know , I know you guys already told me no-one cares about our cars ..YOU'RE RIGHT..I introduced myself initially . Got one single "Welcome " from one person..In a "Falcons" section I wrote a bit of a history of the mighty bird over 56 years to see if I could get a response or two..Nup..nothin'...Like several AFF members have quite rightly tried to tell me over numerous threads , I'll admit here and now I'm a SLOW LEARNER or a glutton for punishment or a sentimental fool on our cars...No-one else cares ....Ironically on You Tube that I use often to see Ford content it tickles me that among the insults and slanging off on our cars locally are many many overseas comments about "You Aussies sure know how to build great cars " or "Why can't we get this here "..Re : Intellectual Property I hope the Dearborn mob one day include a lot more Aussie ingenuity into the cars somehow..A bit of Aussie ingenuity goes a long long way..Cheers Rod..

[BOSHOG]

Originally Posted by malazn mafia

So the blueprints for FG falcon and the Barra motor will be taken away ?? How about the die casts, etc?

like they dont have them anyway, they are property of Ford

[ken1939]

Copies available in Hillary's Server

[hackney]

Originally Posted by ken1939

Copies available in Hillary's Server

Yes, Of course forgot about her!including "e-mails"?

[blackf6]

Nek minute. Stanga with a real engine. Barra.

[Giant Cranium]

Originally Posted by roddy1960

G'day LN and all.....Maybe if they take a bit of good old intellectual property from OZ to Septic Tank Land it'd be a good thing..they might actually learn something..or MAYBE NOT.. About a week ago I hooked up to a US based Ford Forum to see what they talk about and to educate them on the demise of Ford Australia manufacturing. I know , I know you guys already told me no-one cares about our cars ..YOU'RE RIGHT..I introduced myself initially . Got one single "Welcome " from one person..In a "Falcons" section I wrote a bit of a history of the mighty bird over 56 years to see if I could get a response or two..Nup..nothin'...Like several AFF members have quite rightly tried to tell me over numerous threads , I'll admit here and now I'm a SLOW LEARNER or a glutton for punishment or a sentimental fool on our cars...No-one else cares ....Ironically on You Tube that I use often to see Ford content it tickles me that among the insults and slanging off on our cars locally are many many overseas comments about "You Aussies sure know how to build great cars " or "Why can't we get this here "..Re : Intellectual Property I hope the Dearborn mob one day include a lot more Aussie ingenuity into the cars somehow..A bit of Aussie ingenuity goes a long long way..Cheers Rod..

just went a read that post, not really read as such, more skimmed over, paragraphs would help to make it less like a slab of words.

and an interesting video clip, that was a skip forward special

[Bill M]

Originally Posted by Giant Cranium

just went a read that post, not really read as such, more skimmed over, paragraphs would help to make it less like a slab of words.

and an interesting video clip, that was a skip forward special

English Teacher?

[Giant Cranium]

Originally Posted by Bill M

English Teacher?

Oops. I speak da england goods

[zoesgift]

Originally Posted by HO 3

As an Australian tax payer who has helped US Ford stump up there investment in our local car manufacturing all these years I would also like to make a claim to this so called "intellectual property"..........................those black books used by the engineers would be full of our unique historical information on change levels and design revisions that many local Ford enthusiasts would love to see shared before its spirited away overseas and never seen again. FFS it's a big part of our local car manufacturing history.................If the buggers absolutely, positively have to have this stuff send them copies, not the original guf.

Cheers Mick

couldn't agree more Mick....now more than ever before those with such documented knowledge need to share it with the RIGHT enthusiasts before it does indeed get lost forever....

[HO 3]

Originally Posted by zoesgift

couldn't agree more Mick....now more than ever before those with such documented knowledge need to share it with the RIGHT enthusiasts before it does indeed get lost forever....

At this rate 100 years from now, a probably yet to be invented profession called something like "Automotive Achive Archeology" will still be teaching us stuff. I think there would be a wealth of information in the black engineering books that has possibly not seen the light of day yet.

Cheers Mick

[roddy1960]

Originally Posted by Giant Cranium

just went a read that post, not really read as such, more skimmed over, paragraphs would help to make it less like a slab of words.

and an interesting video clip, that was a skip forward special

G'day Giant Cranium..
This is not the Pulitzer Prize place mate , it's a car forum site.

Am I putting in enough paragraphs for you now sir ?

Whoops , I forgot to space my lines more. Sorry about that.

Make it easy for yourself and don't read my crap then and it won't frustrate you as much.

GIVE IT A REST . NOT APPRECIATED...

[Trump]

Originally Posted by roddy1960

G'day Giant Cranium..
This is not the Pulitzer Prize place mate , it's a car forum site.

Am I putting in enough paragraphs for you now sir ?

Whoops , I forgot to space my lines more. Sorry about that.

Make it easy for yourself and don't read my crap then and it won't frustrate you as much.

GIVE IT A REST . NOT APPRECIATED...

This being an online forum doesn't negate the need to correctly structure sentences, use correct grammar and employ appropriate punctuation.

[Cobra]

Originally Posted by roddy1960

G'day Giant Cranium..
This is not the Pulitzer Prize place mate , it's a car forum site.

Am I putting in enough paragraphs for you now sir ?

Whoops , I forgot to space my lines more. Sorry about that.

Make it easy for yourself and don't read my crap then and it won't frustrate you as much.

GIVE IT A REST . NOT APPRECIATED...

I honestly don't care how anyone writes, it is not my business to tell someone otherwise. Having said that, I am curious as to why you would have spaces between commas, full stops and question marks? Is it a general lack of care/attention to detail, or is that just how you think correct English is written?

Just a bit of advice; there's no need to get defensive when someone points out that it's difficult to read what you've written because you haven't employed correct sentence structures. I personally wouldn't have said anything, but at the same time I completely agree with what was said.

It's worth noting that whilst an internet forum is intended on being an informal medium, there's no reason why correct English shouldn't be adopted if you wish to be taken more seriously. I was one of the people that actually skipped your post because of how you wrote it.

I'm sure that like the gentleman whom which you responded to in kind by suggesting he ought not read "your crap" to avoid being frustrated, I too would be best served to follow the same advice. I actually did do that, but I just wanted you to know that correct usage of grammar/spelling generally gives more credence to what you are saying, all other things being equal.

[Giant Cranium]

Originally Posted by roddy1960

G'day Giant Cranium..
This is not the Pulitzer Prize place mate , it's a car forum site.

Am I putting in enough paragraphs for you now sir ?

Whoops , I forgot to space my lines more. Sorry about that.

Make it easy for yourself and don't read my crap then and it won't frustrate you as much.

GIVE IT A REST . NOT APPRECIATED...

That was much easier. Thanks. The rest of the forum thanks you also

[bathurst-racer]

A Marti report for your HO or TE Cortina?

[hackney]

Originally Posted by Cobra

I honestly don't care how anyone writes, it is not my business to tell someone otherwise. Having said that, I am curious as to why you would have spaces between commas, full stops and question marks? Is it a general lack of care/attention to detail, or is that just how you think correct English is written?

Just a bit of advice; there's no need to get defensive when someone points out that it's difficult to read what you've written because you haven't employed correct sentence structures. I personally wouldn't have said anything, but at the same time I completely agree with what was said.

It's worth noting that whilst an internet forum is intended on being an informal medium, there's no reason why correct English shouldn't be adopted if you wish to be taken more seriously. I was one of the people that actually skipped your post because of how you wrote it.

I'm sure that like the gentleman whom which you responded to in kind by suggesting he ought not read "your crap" to avoid being frustrated, I too would be best served to follow the same advice. I actually did do that, but I just wanted you to know that correct usage of grammar/spelling generally gives more credence to what you are saying, all other things being equal.

Well said Cobra!(Ditto!) Cheers