BP just made my list

anakha · 24-10-2007, 10:11 AM

Pulled into a BP in Sydney this morning to fill up and noticed that their 91 unleaded pumps were all now ethanol added. If I wasn't down to my last couple of litres I would have driven off. As was I put $10 into the car and feel like I did something dirty. Price wasn't any cheaper than another station selling regular unleaded I had passed earlier.

Attendant told me they had switched over in the last few days. Guess I can cross BP off my list of options come Tuesday night.

||| · 24-10-2007, 10:20 AM

i like ethanol

savagE · 24-10-2007, 12:14 PM

Just get the 95 octane, no ethanol in that. Its like 4c more..... Stingy.

The Monty · 24-10-2007, 12:43 PM

I have used Ethanol, for two years minimum, in my AU fairmont, have run 14.97, pulled 121 on the dyno (when it was lots stocker), it doesnt ping on my 98 tune (98 ron ethanol blend), I get 600-700 k's from EVERY tank, and I havent had a flat tyre (old joke).
In saying that though, others cars have not had the same liking of ethanol as mine, I guess its just hit and miss.
I get the 98 ron for 6 cents more expensive the 91, and the 95 is like 2 cents cheaper than 91, so its cheaper

2fishingdogs · 24-10-2007, 12:50 PM

I run the enthonal blend in both by BA ute and SY terry, Both seem to love it. And better L/100 out of both.

broken_suave · 24-10-2007, 12:54 PM

Its generally only the older cars that dont like it, but even some of them dont mind. The Laser seems to prefer it, even tho its nearly 20 years old. for modern cars its nearly always better. Plus most (all?) of the BP's in brisbane are handing out 3c discount cards. Dont have to have bought anything, just come in, fill up and get 3c off per litre. Brilliant marketing tool considering BP tends to be up to 0.025c more expensive than other servos in the area, and better quality than the others in the area (having mostly independants and a seven eleven). That and the BP is 30 seconds drive from my house.
Meh, ethanol doesnt bother me.

vztrt · 24-10-2007, 03:07 PM

All Falcons (according to 13FORD) after 1986 can run on E10.
The BA ran E10 for a long time with no issues, it still is used between gas. The car responded better and going back to 91ron non ethenol the car actually didn't drive as well (the e10 was 95ron).

ED Classic · 24-10-2007, 03:14 PM

Ethanol Doesnt bother me although I have only used it occasionaly in V Power Racing...But it should be slightly cheaper atleast. If not why take the risk of using it??

Piotr · 24-10-2007, 03:21 PM

If the car is approved for running on ethanol and the falcon is there is no problem with running ethanol. But if you car can't handle the ethanol I wouldn't run it

Dave_au · 24-10-2007, 03:26 PM

I thought Iemma was forcing NSW to take on 10% ethanol in fuel soon.

'63Deluxe · 24-10-2007, 03:38 PM

Suzuki recommends a maximum of 5% ethanol in fuel to be used.

I used to use BP as they advertised the fact that they had no ethanol in their fuel. I filled(from emty) up there a while back and when I got to the counter the girl cheerfully told me I had just put E10 fuel in my car. There were no signs to let you know the fuel had changed.

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SpoolMan · 24-10-2007, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by anakha

Pulled into a BP in Sydney this morning to fill up and noticed that their 91 unleaded pumps were all now ethanol added..

Are they putting in the ink thinners in there 98 as well?
I wont use it..

Mits · 24-10-2007, 03:49 PM

I put BP Standard in the Tank, and got a 2 CPL discount, it was on the reciept. That was in Sydney West.

E5 is not at all a problem in My BA, it burns cleaner anyrate, But after months of BP Ultimate, I can feel the difference, power wise. But a tank here and there doesn't hurt at all.

Dave_au · 24-10-2007, 04:07 PM

Well read and weep (at least in 2012)

Iemma to boost ethanol sales

Andrew Clennell
February 14, 2007
Other related coverage

Total petrol sales in NSW must include a mandatory 2 per cent of ethanol by September this year under a plan by Premier Morris Iemma.

The move, likely to upset some motorists while pleasing environmentalists, would be the first step towards a pledge made by Mr Iemma last year for 10 per cent ethanol content in petrol by 2011.

Mr Iemma said that initially fuel companies would be named and shamed if they did not meet the ethanol blend target.

But he said the State Government would also consider imposing penalties.

The Premier, who on Sunday will launch his campaign for the March 24 state election, announced his latest plan at a service station in Petersham in Sydney's inner west today.

The service station is in the electorate of Marrickville, held by Education Minister Carmel Tebbutt, whose hold on the seat is under a strong challenge by the Greens.

"Each supplier of wholesale fuel for sale in NSW will be required to provide evidence on a quarterly basis from September that ethanol makes up at least 2 per cent of the total volume of petrol they sell in NSW," Mr Iemma said.

"That evidence will be made public.

"This is a volumetric mandate, which means that petrol outlets can sell any blend, provided ethanol makes up a minimum of 2 per cent of total NSW sales.

"Because this mandate applies to the total volume of fuel, motorists will still have a choice of fuel at service stations in NSW."

The minister involved in the State Government's Ethanol Taskforce, Tony Kelly, said Government estimates put the level of ethanol-blended fuel in the total volume of petrol sold now at just under 1 per cent.

Taxman · 24-10-2007, 04:13 PM

One has to be careful using the Ethanol I have read on a couple of forums that certain vehicles advise very strongly that you stay well away from Ethanol because is disolves some of the plastics used in certain vehicles particularly in the fuel tank. Apparently this has been responsible for some major and potentially fatal problems. Unfortunately I am unable to give the specific forums, it was one of those things you come across and file away in the back of your brain for later on.

vztrt · 24-10-2007, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Taxman

One has to be careful using the Ethanol I have read on a couple of forums that certain vehicles advise very strongly that you stay well away from Ethanol because is disolves some of the plastics used in certain vehicles particularly in the fuel tank. Apparently this has been responsible for some major and potentially fatal problems. Unfortunately I am unable to give the specific forums, it was one of those things you come across and file away in the back of your brain for later on.

If anyone has a concern about the use of E5 & E10 fuels, ring 13FORD and there is an automated listing that will tell you which Ford can and cannot be using E10.

irish2 · 24-10-2007, 05:57 PM

Ethanol contains approximately 0.68 Mj/kg of normal petrol. That basically means ethanol has 0.68 the energy potential of petrol. That is the reason why most cars get worse economy on ethanol.

The Monty · 24-10-2007, 06:43 PM

My economy never changed on Ethanol. In fact, like I said, I get great economy, considering how I drive, and Im running 14.9's, so it should be sucking it like crazy, lol.

Steffo · 24-10-2007, 07:31 PM

Yeah... watch out about that mean and nasty ethanol... your car might explode if you use it...

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Back on Earth, on a planet where all petrol in our largest car market (USA) contains 10% ethanol and cars are unchaged specification for our puny joke of a car market no one cares about... E10 won't do anything except save you a few cents per litre.

Bill M · 24-10-2007, 07:59 PM

If ethanol is the wonder additive of our times then why do some manufacturers advise against using it in certain models? Do I listen to the maker or some guy who thinks it makes his/her car run better?
Hmmm. The buck stops where? Manildra??
Bill.

blownba · 24-10-2007, 08:10 PM

The race fuel we use in our race car has 10% ethanol.
Wonder why that is??????

Dazza XLT · 24-10-2007, 08:22 PM

Our fleet company has advised us not to use Bio-Fuels (Bio-Diesel/Ethanol Blends) in any of our fleet vehicles whatsoever.
Since it's not recommended by some manufacturers (Correct me if I'm wrong

) they may not cover warranty issues that may arise from Ethanol use (If any? I wouldn't know!). Then the branch has to wear the costs!!!

Me personally, I haven't had a drop in my Falcon. Sticking to Vortex for the time being.
I pay a bit more for Vortex, and seem to get better economy. So it works for me.

Cheers

Nostalgia · 24-10-2007, 08:30 PM

BP petrol sux regardless of its (supposedly) octane rating. Why bother. Just go elsewhere.

Rodp · 24-10-2007, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by anakha

Pulled into a BP in Sydney this morning to fill up and noticed that their 91 unleaded pumps were all now ethanol added. If I wasn't down to my last couple of litres I would have driven off. As was I put $10 into the car and feel like I did something dirty. Price wasn't any cheaper than another station selling regular unleaded I had passed earlier.

Attendant told me they had switched over in the last few days. Guess I can cross BP off my list of options come Tuesday night.

If you're not going to fill up with enthanol blended petrol, you better invest in some sturdy walking shoes in the not too distant future.

InfernoSR · 24-10-2007, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by anakha

Pulled into a BP in Sydney this morning to fill up and noticed that their 91 unleaded pumps were all now ethanol added. If I wasn't down to my last couple of litres I would have driven off. As was I put $10 into the car and feel like I did something dirty. Price wasn't any cheaper than another station selling regular unleaded I had passed earlier.

Attendant told me they had switched over in the last few days. Guess I can cross BP off my list of options come Tuesday night.

GOD... when i saw the thread, i thought you were talking about me... alot of people call me BP, which is short for BLUEPRINT... you had me worried to start with

ivorya · 24-10-2007, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by anakha

Pulled into a BP in Sydney this morning to fill up and noticed that their 91 unleaded pumps were all now ethanol added. If I wasn't down to my last couple of litres I would have driven off. As was I put $10 into the car and feel like I did something dirty. Price wasn't any cheaper than another station selling regular unleaded I had passed earlier.

Attendant told me they had switched over in the last few days. Guess I can cross BP off my list of options come Tuesday night.

So!!! Get over it. Lets face it, we'll all be putting ethanol in varying concentrations into our vehicles from now on as it's now policy of both the major govenment parties to introduce these blended fuels to reduce $$.

OK, Don't go to BP, go to United instead. E10 fuel there has a 95 octane rating and is roughly 3c cheaper than standard 91 octane and 3c more, you can get E10 98 octane as well.

T3rminator · 24-10-2007, 08:58 PM

I have tested PLUS95, BOOST98, BP Ultimate and Synergy 8000 on the current T3. I ran ~4-5 tanks on each and recorded the milleage I was getting. Testing was done by filling up to the top and recording KMs.....not by relying on what the computer tells me. Believe it or not I averaged 17.5L/100kms on all types of fuel tested.

Further to this, there has been no power differences either. Ran 13.8 on PLUS95......and have not been able to better this with any of the other fuels.

I also have emails from Ford confirming that 10% ethanol blended fuel is OK for the BOSS (previous car) and the AU V8 (current car). If you are worried about warranty issues then get the confirmation yourself in writing.

If you go to the FCAI site there is explanation as to why some cars can't take E10. E10 ain't going to blow up your engine if it is on the compatible list.

Deadman · 24-10-2007, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Steffo

E10 won't do anything except save you a few cents per litre.

Most reports from motoring authorities (i.e. RACQ) and magazines (i.e. Wheels) have highlighted that with current fuel prices, the 2-3c p/l discount in fact costs you money. Ethanol blends have (on average) 4-5% higher fuel consumption, meaning at current prices, the discount should be at least double what is is now to break even as a motorist, let alone see any visible financial benefit from it.

Ignoring the reports, from personal experience in the XR6 and TT, I still won't touch it.

Steffo · 24-10-2007, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Deadman

Most reports from motoring authorities (i.e. RACQ) and magazines (i.e. Wheels) have highlighted that with current fuel prices, the 2-3c p/l discount in fact costs you money. Ethanol blends have (on average) 4-5% higher fuel consumption, meaning at current prices, the discount should be at least double what is is now to break even as a motorist, let alone see any visible financial benefit from it.

Ignoring the reports, from personal experience in the XR6 and TT, I still won't touch it.

United Boost 98 (E10, 98 RON) makes no difference in fuel consumption to BP Ultimate, Caltex Vortex 98, Shell V-Power or Mobil Synergy 8000 in my Clio. And its a bit cheaper then the rest. And the performance is identical. Would I go out of my way to get it? No. Its petrol like all other petrol.

Deadman · 24-10-2007, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Steffo

in my Clio.

Yep, I guess that means your earlier statement that "E10 won't do anything except save you a few cents a litre" must be true.

If you don't notice any difference in your Clio, then no other cars will notice decreased performance and increased fuel consumption. Despite industry research, many driver reports saying otherwise, and the fact it's pretty common knowledge - it even states it (that you will increase fuel consumption) on some of the pumps depending on what service station you go to.

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Originally Posted by Steffo

Its petrol like all other petrol.

I'm supprised you bother running 98 RON at all then.

I might have mentioned my thoughts at the end, but my point was based on facts from industry research - not personal opinion. That is why I posted - I hate misleading information. You can tell me how your Clio takes any fuel and you don't notice a change in the slightest - but to indicate to someone else who drives a different model car, that E10 fuel won't affect their performance or economy (based on your own experience in a Clio) is misleading.