Au xr8 ecu mod whats better?

[dreadly]

Hey guys can someone tell me whats better to use out of a chiptorque h2 chip or getting a capa flash tuner? Ease, price, more kw etc? thanks heaps peter

[galaxy xr8]

The Flash tunner no doubt, but get a good tunner that know's what they are doing, and get a custom tune for your vehicle.

[dreadly]

sweet The flash tuner is second hand off a bf xr8... $350 +Do you know how much stuffing around/whats needed to set it for an au 2 xr8?
And the chiptorque i already own never fitted last yr needed 3 day turn around to nerang i couldnt do with out...
But found a guy in sydney who can fit it in a couple of hrs $95 so? still flash tuner then? thanks hey peter ;)

[galaxy xr8]

Flash tunner no doubt still, but if it is 2nd hand, before you buy it make sure it has been unlocked, I'm not sure on these thing's but I have heard stories about 2nd hand flash tunner's and the new owner's not being able to use them because they still carry the memory from before, other's on here will be able to elobrate alot more on this.

[dreadly]

Please if your reading this an have any knowledge you could share please do.... I need a bit of a hand hey PLEASE peter

[Peuty]

Basically, if the previous car hasn't been returned to stock then the box won't be able to flash your car with a new tune. The box is only capable of flashing one car at any given time.

It's designed to stop people from buying one and flashing every Tom Dick and Harry's car.

So if you are buying a secondhand one, make sure the car it is coming from has been returned to stock before you buy it, because if it isn't, it's useless to you.

[b2tf]

Get rid of the chip completely - it is old technology and while a few tuners still deal with them the majority don't. Some people still use them but after my experiences with the Unichip (so yes I am very biased) they are not worth it.

Get the flasher unit from the BF and have it unlocked (any tuner can do it) or better still get the bloke who owns it now to have it unlocked before you buy it. You can't use it on your ute until it's done.

From there, you've got 2 choices - you can use it to tune your ute as it is now and see what results you get, or, going by your other threads, if you've got some ideas in the pipeline for it, wait until those are done and then tune it. You will have to have it re-tuned after every mod you do (power ones anyway) for it to be totally effective.

You can't really give an estimate of what kW you'll gain from getting it flash tuned but what I can tell you is that it will be a different car to drive. The flash tune allows you to change everything from timing and fuel right through to the shift points for the auto box (if you have one). It is worth doing as long as you have a good tuner as galaxy xr8 mentioned - the technology is only as good as the person using it.

[dreadly]

Hi so if its been reset before he sold the car.... Does that mean i can purchase plug in and it might work for my au 2 xr8 without the need to be sent to capa or a tuner?
Does it only need to be custom tuned to get extras out of it?
Thanks heaps for your help peter

[b2tf]

Originally Posted by dreadly

Hi so if its been reset before he sold the car.... Does that mean i can purchase plug in and it might work for my au 2 xr8 without the need to be sent to capa or a tuner?
Does it only need to be custom tuned to get extras out of it?
Thanks heaps for your help peter

yes you can use it straight on your car if it has been unlocked, because the tuner doing the work will be able to load base maps for your ute and go from there, just like they would if it was being used on the BF.

The tuner is the key - once you have the box, you need to get onto a few tuners, tell them what you want from the car, and then they'll be able to help you out.

[b2tf]

Sorry I should add just to be clear here - the flash tuner isnt the thing that changes how your car runs etc - it's more like a disk drive etc. The thing that makes the difference is the tune that is loaded into the flash tuner and then put into your car. You can't just plug it in and use it straight away - you need to get a tuner to create the tune that suits your car first.

[dreadly]

Oh ok, how much does this process cost? rough guide?
And what did the chiptorque chip do for your ute whilst you were running it?
Is it worth installing for $95?
And can i install the chiptorque h2 then flash it on top of it?
And also your ute sounds killer on paper, heaps of new mods.... What camshaft did you decide on? And whats the install process like? And where do you get the tb spacer? thanks for all your help hey peter

[philstoj]

Hey peter, no you cant just plug it in and it will work on your car, you need to take it to a tuner, he will then put your vin number into it and lock it to your car, then it is loaded with your factory base tune and then it is ready to be custom tuned and you can flash the tunes into your ute.

You will not get any advantage by just plugging it in you car, you do need to have some custom tunes in it, the flash tuner is basically a storage box for tunes just for your car after it has been vin locked to your car.

It will cost you around 1k for custom tunes to suit your vehicle, and as long as you take it to a good tuner, you will get some nice results with improvements everywhere.

[dreadly]

Holly cow 1k id better just put the chiptorque in for $95 and start saving lol...
Is a grand the going figure? for that price are you better off spending 2k on a full link system?
Bugger bloody money lol

[philstoj]

Best to talk to a tuner, some are cheaper, that was a very general figure.
Its all dyno time, but like i said, best to talk to a few tuners and see what they say.

[b2tf]

Originally Posted by dreadly

Holly cow 1k id better just put the chiptorque in for $95 and start saving lol...
Is a grand the going figure? for that price are you better off spending 2k on a full link system?
Bugger bloody money lol

DON'T put the chip in at all, just save the money for the edit. Im currently saving to have mine edited for the 2nd time after the new top end was done, Im hopeful that in about 3 weeks I can get it done. If you can make it down here you're welcome to come for the run down and see how it's done.

Re the cam, check my build thread as it has all the details there.

[dreadly]

Can they be loaded with standard tunes a valet, economy and performance?
Or does it all require dyno time? cause if so id better not, as i want roller rockers, camshaft, springs etc before a trip to the dynos?
Waht type of figuers are people seeing with flash tuners anyways? good kw gains? cheers peter

[5.0 ED]

Just wanted to point out that there is a lot of difference between a chiptouque chip and a unichip, a unichip is a piggyback computer, it modifies the signals going into the engine management to retune the car, at which point on an au has problems due the engine management self learning that changes the program and learns ways around spots of it.

The chiptouque chip plugs into the bottom of the ecu and does what a flash tune does except it does not have all the functions of the flash tune but it does have everything capable of tuning and running your engine perfectly, if the chip touque chip is to suit your car and mods then why not put it in, it will be a dam sight better than nothing. As for custom tunes with a flash tune, you can do the same with a chip touque chip but it has to goto them directly to be done to your car, i think they charge $600 to do so if you have the chip. And not bagging any tuners but to me personally i think chiptouque have been tuning these efi cars a lot longer than all these guys tuning flash tuners. Also i have a mate who has one on an AU XR6 and he is absolutely wrapt with it, his car is completely standard and chip was ordered thru mail.

[b2tf]

Originally Posted by dreadly

Can they be loaded with standard tunes a valet, economy and performance?
Or does it all require dyno time? cause if so id better not, as i want roller rockers, camshaft, springs etc before a trip to the dynos?
Waht type of figuers are people seeing with flash tuners anyways? good kw gains? cheers peter

Buy the flash box now and wait until you've done what you want to do with the engine before you use it. You can use generic/mail order tunes but they will never be as good as one that is specifically done for your car - and the only way to get that is to put it on a dyno.

Valet tune is useless to me - I am the only one who drives my car and if anybody else has to they know I will kill them if anything happens - I dont need a tune to enforce that!

[dreadly]

Lol same here! ;) so i can send it off to be done in the mail with a few standard tunes?
How much does that cost to do?
And can i put the chiptorque in have that for a few months then dyno the flash box?
And can you have a chiptorque chip in the j port, and flashed (run both)
Would like a cheap mail order tunes on the flash(brought it already) then after roller rockers, cam, springs, rods, and lifters etc then have it properally dyno tuned.... thanks for all your help hey.
And how much was the leather djr style seats on the au frames?
Slowly learning, shes growing lol the bug is alive ;)

[5.0 ED]

If you put the chiptouque chip in and run the flash program the chip will over ride the flash tune and therefore the flash tune wont work until you pull the chip out. you can get generic tunes for the flash tuner, but if you already have the chip then you may as well put that in and leave the flash tuner till your ready for a proper dyno tune.

[b2tf]

Originally Posted by dreadly

Lol same here! ;) so i can send it off to be done in the mail with a few standard tunes?
How much does that cost to do?
And can i put the chiptorque in have that for a few months then dyno the flash box?
And can you have a chiptorque chip in the j port, and flashed (run both)
Would like a cheap mail order tunes on the flash(brought it already) then after roller rockers, cam, springs, rods, and lifters etc then have it properally dyno tuned.... thanks for all your help hey.
And how much was the leather djr style seats on the au frames?
Slowly learning, shes growing lol the bug is alive ;)

you can get mail order tunes - talk to KPM Motorsport as I think they are doing them at the moment.

You can put the chip in then pull it out but I personally wouldnt bother - up to you though.

You cant run both the chip and the flash tune at the same time - its one or the other.

Seats youre lookng at $2k minimum.

[dreadly]

Did you notice much difference when you were running just the chip?

[dreadly]

Do you know what offers greater gains for the au xr8?
Which gives more power etc cheers for your help hey ;)

[dreadly]

Do you know which will give greater gains? chiptorque or flash? cheers peter

[b2tf]

Flash tune.

[DoreSlamR]

Originally Posted by dreadly

Do you know which will give greater gains? chiptorque or flash? cheers peter

If you still go the chip after what you've been told in this thread, you're crazy....

[FGII-XR6]

BPT (site sponsor ) do some excelent generic tunes for $ 185 for forum members. just tell them what you car has mod wise and the get a tune they have already done and load that on. not quite a custom tune but close . give them a call to discuss it
chips are a compromise flashing is far more varsatile

[BlacklistedXR]

dont BPT charge $395 for custom tuning of the flash tuner. thats where im going next week to get my flash tuner 2 tuned.

[RG]

Most places in Vic charge about the $600 mark for a custom tune.

As for the chips they are evil evil things. Evil.

[dreadly]

Right i have both here... Can you tell me which will give me more power better fuel etc... As standard without a dyno tune, The H2 chip just plugged in th j port.
Or the flash tuner reset to au xr8 spec with 3 mail order tunes?

Thanks for your input hey