MODS: 200kw vs 220kw

**SSD-85** · 15-10-2008, 11:20 PM

Good evening all,

Just asking for opinions on the 200kw vs 220kw xr8's for modding. Is the 220 worth the extra bucks? And does the 220's factory mods i.e: port matching, fuel system, larger valves, etc help or hinder with, say, a bigger cam or adding a blower? Also i've been searching high and low for pics of one of these that have exhausts on both sides of the rear, just want to see how it's done, how it looks, etc. any links or pics would be great

cheers

BLACKAUXR8 · 16-10-2008, 12:02 AM

exaust can't be done. Fuel tank is in the way. The 220 is worth the extra. Try and buy those extra bits afterwards and it'll cost you more then the little extra for the 220.

b2tf · 16-10-2008, 08:10 AM

I'd actually say it depends on your plans for the car. The 220 has different heads and cam but if you wanted to put aftermarket ones in down the track then it doesnt matter if you get a 200 or 220. I have a 200 (well, it used to be a 200 anyway) and I had no dramas modding it compared to a 220.

Black XR · 16-10-2008, 05:50 PM

I have both 220 sedan and 200 ute both autos & while others will disagree with me the difference between the two is stuff all. While I haven't had them on the dyno or run them down the strip the seat of the pants difference is so close it's hard to tell

**Peuty** · 16-10-2008, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by b2tf

....The 220 has different heads...

I thought all AU V8's (besides T-Series) got GT40P's.

b2tf · 16-10-2008, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Peuty

I thought all AU V8's (besides T-Series) got GT40P's.

They did but as you know Yella Terra worked the heads in 220's with bigger valves etc - this is what I meant about them being different to 200 spec ones.

**SSD-85** · 16-10-2008, 10:01 PM

b2tf, i wish to add a centrifugal supercharger at 9psi (just bolt-on), and an appropriate cam (i found something on crow cams website that seems to fit the bill). plus the things that go with them, i.e extractors, flash tune, injectors, etc. all other engine components will be stock, so is the 220 better suited to this with it's worked heads? or will a 200 be just fine? the fuel pump/regulator i think MAY need to be upgraded, not sure...all in all, this is nothing too fancy, just want a blown daily drive

On a side note, sucks big monkey that i cant have pipes on both sides.

sly · 16-10-2008, 10:08 PM

The bigger valves of the 220 will probably help a bit with a blower. But so will the higher-ratio rockers you'd be mad not to fit with a cam upgrade. Or even with a stock cam and the blower.

**SSD-85** · 16-10-2008, 10:15 PM

Is the blower-suited cam from crow any better than the stock cam of the 220? just so you all have a better idea on what im talking about, they had a list of cams for EFI windsors incl. stock cam, and this cam im looking at has same lift as stock cam, just different timing. but when crow says stock cam, are they referring to the ye olde 185kw era windsors? in saying that, is the cam in a 220, in a word, identical to this crow cam? or better/worse?

b2tf · 16-10-2008, 10:24 PM

A blower setup will work on either, its just a matter of overall numbers i.e. one might get you higher than another.

The cams side of things - the 220 stocker cam is "smaller" then the 200 spec cam but if you're going to change it anyway it wont matter that much. In all honesty for the work you're looking at doing, for me it would come down to what I could find at the time - ie if you find a nice 200 go for it, if you find a 220 go for it.

**SSD-85** · 16-10-2008, 10:31 PM

Sounds like a plan b2tf, thanks for your input. if anyone would like to see my progress is the workshop the appropriate place to start my thread?

UU TS50 · 16-10-2008, 10:56 PM

i have seen a series 3 with exhaust out each side and it looked awesome the passenger side pipe was heat wrapped and ran inside the rear bumper and bent out under the other side sorry no pics

RG · 17-10-2008, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by au302s3

i have seen a series 3 with exhaust out each side and it looked awesome the passenger side pipe was heat wrapped and ran inside the rear bumper and bent out under the other side sorry no pics

Damn that would be a tight fit.

dreadly · 17-10-2008, 11:21 AM

Mate get a 200kw and do a few things to it..... In short worth the extra $$$ NO?!
The 220kw got 1.72 YT roller rockers, the 200kw had 1.6 cranes, the 220kw got a tickford 70mm T/B,
So for 20kw which decent exhaust can fetch, get a set of 1.72 RR's a 70mm T/B, the camshaft in the 200kw is actually bigger than the 220kw cam... So i think the few grand saved on purchase price you could spend on a 200kw flash tuner, extractors etc and kill a 220kw

RG · 17-10-2008, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by dreadly

Mate get a 200kw and do a few things to it..... In short worth the extra $$$ NO?!
The 220kw got 1.72 YT roller rockers, the 200kw had 1.6 cranes, the 220kw got a tickford 70mm T/B,
So for 20kw which decent exhaust can fetch, get a set of 1.72 RR's a 70mm T/B, the camshaft in the 200kw is actually bigger than the 220kw cam... So i think the few grand saved on purchase price you could spend on a 200kw flash tuner, extractors etc and kill a 220kw

Spend the same $$$ on a 220 and it would kill the 200.

b2tf · 17-10-2008, 03:37 PM

You can go backwards and forwards between the 2 following the same argument as above but at the end of the day the thing that is going to make the difference to EITHER version is the mods that you do. Now a blower is not exactly what I would call a 'bolt on" mod so you can't compare it to anything unless it's another blower. I still stick with what I said above - find whichever version has the most options ticked, is in the best condition and is the right price and buy it. That's what I would do anyway. At the end of the day it is 20kw which is bugger all if you're talking about forced induction anyway.

The build thread is perfect for the workshop builds section mate and I will look forward to seeing how you go with it all.

RG · 17-10-2008, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by b2tf

You can go backwards and forwards between the 2 following the same argument as above but at the end of the day the thing that is going to make the difference to EITHER version is the mods that you do. Now a blower is not exactly what I would call a 'bolt on" mod so you can't compare it to anything unless it's another blower. I still stick with what I said above - find whichever version has the most options ticked, is in the best condition and is the right price and buy it. That's what I would do anyway. At the end of the day it is 20kw which is bugger all if you're talking about forced induction anyway.

The build thread is perfect for the workshop builds section mate and I will look forward to seeing how you go with it all.

And that is the best advice you will get here.

philstoj · 17-10-2008, 09:52 PM

PM "grunter" on the forums, he had a awesome AU XR8 sedan that run a vortech on it, i believe it was a 200 version.

Here's a link to his site http://www.grunter.com.au/

**SSD-85** · 18-10-2008, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by philstoj

PM "grunter" on the forums, he had a awesome AU XR8 sedan that run a vortech on it, i believe it was a 200 version.

Here's a link to his site http://www.grunter.com.au/

Yeh i've checked his website out, yes it is an awesome car. In fact, grunters' car was my inspiration, however I was hoping to use a powerdyne though (yes, i'm a tight a** haha) anyone had any experience with these units? and out of sheer curiousity, would he be the man to talk to about the technical side of it? because i'd rather talk to somebody who isnt trying to take my money first. Always hated talking about something i'm 97% sure about only to be told i'm wrong by someone in the shop :(

UU TS50 · 19-10-2008, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Russell

Damn that would be a tight fit.

Yes it was but it had the rebel/S3 rear bar so there is a bit more room down low

There is a S3 with a supercharger in the F/S section for $19 000 at the moment

**SSD-85** · 19-10-2008, 10:48 PM

Just one more thing I almost forgot, can the auto box in these handle up to 300rwkw (most likely 250rwkw though, i'm not going nuts on it) without modification?