Ford Ranger vs Nissan Navara vs Isuzu D-Max vs Mitsubishi Triton - Page 2

mik · 28-07-2015, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Brazen

Ranger does 0-100 in a little over 12 seconds, which is ok for a diesel ute. But a Corolla would thrash it.

that is surprising , the one i was next to was i would have thought a bit quicker, perhaps it was tuned ? the dude was driving it like a sports car

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OzJavelin · 29-07-2015, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by mik

that is surprising , the one i was next to was i would have thought a bit quicker, perhaps it was tuned ? the dude was driving it like a sports car

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Most dual-cab owners drive like that. I was nearly rear ended by an Amarok this morning as I slowed down for an amber traffic light and he swung around me an floored it through the intersection.

rex351 · 29-07-2015, 07:25 AM

Yes we're all like that

MDS69 · 29-07-2015, 08:29 AM

Another thing to consider is if you have young kids in baby capsules or other child restraint seats. Some of the may not take 3 seats across the back seat as they don't have the anchor points.

ebv8 · 29-07-2015, 09:16 AM

my brother has a 2015 hilux sr5 3.0td and he hates it, he prefers a triton over it.
its down on power and handles like a wet noodle, the back seat is cramped, steering is vague and its slow but does ok on the freeway
my mate has a 2015 triton glx-r 2.5 td and it feels quick, but still handles like the hilux but $15k less

i saw this clip the other day, its old now but they guy has new clips on the new utes coming out now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RT0ELW6qRxo

NTF6 · 29-07-2015, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by MDS69

Another thing to consider is if you have young kids in baby capsules or other child restraint seats. Some of the may not take 3 seats across the back seat as they don't have the anchor points.

Kids are all grown up and long gone now.

NTF6 · 29-07-2015, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Giant Cranium

my bro in law has a rg my15 colorado and loves it, same interior as a dmax but different running gear, in saying that he blew the motor at 137km's and now at 35000kms he is using 4.5L of oil every 15k. has also had heaps of problems with the dealer but that can happen with any make.

There's not a hell of a lot on the net about them being thirsty on oil, a few of the earlier models were using a bit but not at alarming rates. My experience with diesel engines is that they will always use more oil than a petrol and if they are using some oil don't be afraid to change spec or brand slightly as they can burn a **** load with one brand and bugger all on another.

sprintman1 · 29-07-2015, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by NTF6

There's not a hell of a lot on the net about them being thirsty on oil, a few of the earlier models were using a bit but not at alarming rates. My experience with diesel engines is that they will always use more oil than a petrol and if they are using some oil don't be afraid to change spec or brand slightly as they can burn a **** load with one brand and bugger all on another.

More to do with difference in viscosity within the stated spec and HTHS etc. An X40W etc can be formulated to be nearly a 30W or anything in between up to almost a 50W. That's why the stated viscosity on the bottle/jug means little.

Brazen · 30-07-2015, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by mik

that is surprising , the one i was next to was i would have thought a bit quicker, perhaps it was tuned ? the dude was driving it like a sports car

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A base 1987 66kw carburettor Camry has similar performance of around 11-12 seconds. So the diesels dual cabs are slow, but the way they deliver power and the noise they make, makes them feel a lot quicker and frankly you wouldn't really want to go much faster in them anyway.

SumoDog68 · 30-07-2015, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Brazen

A base 1987 66kw carburettor Camry has similar performance of around 11-12 seconds. So the diesels dual cabs are slow, but the way they deliver power and the noise they make, makes them feel a lot quicker and frankly you wouldn't really want to go much faster in them anyway.

Mine is under 9 to a 100 - plenty fast for 2t dual cab . Tuned they go even better but no need for it - like you said , these are work/fun trucks . Best part is going up long hills on Hume while towing a 2.5t trailer and doing it at at 2000rpm at 110 . Even with a trailer hooked on it is quicker than a Camry :-)

Ben73 · 30-07-2015, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Brazen

Ranger does 0-100 in a little over 12 seconds, which is ok for a diesel ute. But a Corolla would thrash it.

Where did you get that from? Unless you are talking 2.2L 4 cylinder. Or a manual with someone who isn't very quick at gear changes.

Tetsed my 3.2 twice and both got almost exactly 10 seconds.Youtube shows same results.

ebv8 · 30-07-2015, 01:24 PM

my old mans 2012 3.2l td pajero beat my old VH V8 commodore to 100kmh, that did it in 9.5s so the old 2.5t Paj would have beeen just over 9s...

Vesper Martini · 30-07-2015, 02:04 PM

From that 2013 Road test I posted earlier, the only one under 10 sec was the Navara and its 550Nm engine

Ford Ranger XLT
  
Price: from $53,390
Engine: 3.2-litre 5-cyl turbo diesel
Power: 147kW at 3000rpm
Torque: 470Nm at 1500-2750rpm
Transmission: 6-sp automatic, part-time 4WD (manual standard)
0-100km/h: 12.6 seconds
Fuel consumption: 9.2L/100km claimed (13.7L/100km on test)
CO2 emissions: 246g/km

Holden Colorado LTZ
  
Price: from $49,990
Engine: 2.8-litre 4-cyl turbo diesel
Power: 132kW at 3800rpm
Torque: 470Nm at 2000rpm (440Nm man.)
Transmission: 6-sp automatic, part-time 4WD (manual standard)
0-100km/h: 11.8 seconds
Fuel consumption: 9.1L/100km claimed (11.2L/100km on test)
CO2 emissions: 242g/km

Isuzu D-Max LS-U
   
Price: from $45,500
Engine: 3.0-litre 4-cyl turbo diesel
Power: 130kW at 3600rpm
Torque: 380Nm at 1800-2800rpm
Transmission: 5-sp automatic, part-time 4WD (manual standard)
0-100km/h: 11.5 seconds
Fuel consumption: 8.1L/100km claimed (10.0L/100km on test)
CO2 emissions: 214g/km

Mazda BT-50 XTR
    
Price: from $48,890
Engine: 3.2-litre 5-cyl turbo diesel
Power: 147kW at 3000rpm
Torque: 470Nm at 1500-2750rpm
Transmission: 6-sp manual, part-time 4WD (auto optional)
0-100km/h: 13.4 seconds
Fuel consumption: 8.9L/100km claimed (9.2L/100km on test)
CO2 emissions: 235g/km

Mitsubishi Triton GLX-R
  
Price: from $45,740
Engine: 2.5-litre 4-cyl turbo diesel
Power: 131kW at 4000rpm
Torque: 350Nm at 1800rpm (400Nm man.)
Transmission: 5-sp automatic, RWD with selectable full-time 4WD (manual standard)
0-100km/h: 13.4 seconds
Fuel consumption: 9.6L/100km claimed (13.4L/100km on test)
CO2 emissions: 253g/km

Nissan Navara STX
   
Price: from $57,290
Engine: 3.0-litre V6 turbo diesel
Power: 170kW at 3750rpm
Torque: 550Nm at 1750rpm
Transmission: 7-sp automatic, part-time 4WD
0-100km/h: 9.7 seconds
Fuel consumption: 9.3L/100km claimed (11.9L/100km on test)
CO2 emissions: 246g/km

Toyota HiLux
   
Price: from $50,990
Engine: 3.0-litre 4-cyl turbo diesel
Power: 126kW at 3600rpm
Torque: 343Nm at 1400-3400rpm
Transmission: 4-sp automatic, part-time 4WD (manual standard)
0-100km/h: 13.1 seconds
Fuel consumption: 9.3L/100km claimed (11.1L/100km on test)
CO2 emissions: 245g/km

Volkswagen Amarok TDI420 Highline
    
Price: from $53,990
Engine: 2.0-litre 4-cyl twin-turbo diesel
Power: 132kW at 4000rpm
Torque: 420Nm at 1750rpm
Transmission: 8-sp automatic, AWD
0-100km/h: 11.7 seconds
Fuel consumption: 8.3L/100km claimed (10.2L/100km on test)
CO2 emissions: 219g/km

rjk74 · 30-07-2015, 02:34 PM

What would be the best/reliable option be for gearboxes in the older Triton model, never had a fwd so not sure. Currently towing a tradie trailer (650kg) around with my old EL falcon but lookin for something built this century and with a working heater.

sprintman1 · 30-07-2015, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by rjk74

What would be the best/reliable option be for gearboxes in the older Triton model, never had a fwd so not sure which. Currently towing a tradie trailer (650kg) around with my old EL falcon but lookin for something built this century and with a working heater.

Not manual. Related to Pajero trans and every one used for towing screwed the gearbox to transfer case spline and week clutch and dual mass flywheel. Go auto and fit an ext cooler.

NTF6 · 30-07-2015, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Bevsta007

From that 2013 Road test I posted earlier, the only one under 10 sec was the Navara and its 550Nm engine

Ford Ranger XLT
  
Price: from $53,390
Engine: 3.2-litre 5-cyl turbo diesel
Power: 147kW at 3000rpm
Torque: 470Nm at 1500-2750rpm
Transmission: 6-sp automatic, part-time 4WD (manual standard)
0-100km/h: 12.6 seconds
Fuel consumption: 9.2L/100km claimed (13.7L/100km on test)
CO2 emissions: 246g/km

Holden Colorado LTZ
  
Price: from $49,990
Engine: 2.8-litre 4-cyl turbo diesel
Power: 132kW at 3800rpm
Torque: 470Nm at 2000rpm (440Nm man.)
Transmission: 6-sp automatic, part-time 4WD (manual standard)
0-100km/h: 11.8 seconds
Fuel consumption: 9.1L/100km claimed (11.2L/100km on test)
CO2 emissions: 242g/km

Isuzu D-Max LS-U
   
Price: from $45,500
Engine: 3.0-litre 4-cyl turbo diesel
Power: 130kW at 3600rpm
Torque: 380Nm at 1800-2800rpm
Transmission: 5-sp automatic, part-time 4WD (manual standard)
0-100km/h: 11.5 seconds
Fuel consumption: 8.1L/100km claimed (10.0L/100km on test)
CO2 emissions: 214g/km

Mazda BT-50 XTR
    
Price: from $48,890
Engine: 3.2-litre 5-cyl turbo diesel
Power: 147kW at 3000rpm
Torque: 470Nm at 1500-2750rpm
Transmission: 6-sp manual, part-time 4WD (auto optional)
0-100km/h: 13.4 seconds
Fuel consumption: 8.9L/100km claimed (9.2L/100km on test)
CO2 emissions: 235g/km

Mitsubishi Triton GLX-R
  
Price: from $45,740
Engine: 2.5-litre 4-cyl turbo diesel
Power: 131kW at 4000rpm
Torque: 350Nm at 1800rpm (400Nm man.)
Transmission: 5-sp automatic, RWD with selectable full-time 4WD (manual standard)
0-100km/h: 13.4 seconds
Fuel consumption: 9.6L/100km claimed (13.4L/100km on test)
CO2 emissions: 253g/km

Nissan Navara STX
   
Price: from $57,290
Engine: 3.0-litre V6 turbo diesel
Power: 170kW at 3750rpm
Torque: 550Nm at 1750rpm
Transmission: 7-sp automatic, part-time 4WD
0-100km/h: 9.7 seconds
Fuel consumption: 9.3L/100km claimed (11.9L/100km on test)
CO2 emissions: 246g/km

Toyota HiLux
   
Price: from $50,990
Engine: 3.0-litre 4-cyl turbo diesel
Power: 126kW at 3600rpm
Torque: 343Nm at 1400-3400rpm
Transmission: 4-sp automatic, part-time 4WD (manual standard)
0-100km/h: 13.1 seconds
Fuel consumption: 9.3L/100km claimed (11.1L/100km on test)
CO2 emissions: 245g/km

Volkswagen Amarok TDI420 Highline
    
Price: from $53,990
Engine: 2.0-litre 4-cyl twin-turbo diesel
Power: 132kW at 4000rpm
Torque: 420Nm at 1750rpm
Transmission: 8-sp automatic, AWD
0-100km/h: 11.7 seconds
Fuel consumption: 8.3L/100km claimed (10.2L/100km on test)
CO2 emissions: 219g/km

Great specs there Bevsta, but the current Colorado has 147kw.

sprintman1 · 30-07-2015, 07:29 PM

And the specs and real world performance can be poles apart, one on that list in particular.

NTF6 · 30-07-2015, 07:50 PM

Well, I took a manual Colorado for a spin and was suitably impressed, good grunt off the line, accelerated from 60 kph in 4th well without feeling sluggish. It has a good list of appointments and the internal layout was well I thought and I couldn't get past the $10,500 fleet discount currently being offered so I ordered one, $44,278 drive away with full cargo liner and front and rear carpet floor mats. Just have to wait until October for delivery for the Orange Rock colour.

What really put me off the Nissan Navara was the two big bulges on either side of the bonnet, not really noticeable from the outside when looking at the vehicle but sitting behind the wheel I thought they were intrusive and even obstructed the front corners from vision which I thought for a 4x4 was a poor design.

The current Hilux was too down on power and torque and is now quite dated inside, what I didn't really like was the skinny steering wheel which reminded me of a car from the 70's, all the other cars I tested had nice leather fat leather wrapped steering wheels. Apart from a reversing camera, Toyota haven't really done much with it although they are sitting at just under 50k for white ones.

Amarok was priced just too high after adding a couple of options at $57k.

Ford Ranger missed the boat after the test drive fiasco with the local dealer went pear shaped.

Triton, well the missus just didn't like the look of them and me neither really.

Don't mind the D-Max but it would be a while before I was able to take one for a test drive so it didn't make the cut, it may have not made it anyway as it is down a bit down on power and torque compared to the Colorado.

joolz · 30-07-2015, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Brazen

Ranger does 0-100 in a little over 12 seconds, which is ok for a diesel ute. But a Corolla would thrash it.

Put a 1ton trailer behind both and see who thrashes who!

DoreSlamR · 30-07-2015, 09:11 PM

A mate has a ST-X 550 with chip, exhaust and pedal booster.

If it wasn't for the traction control this thing would be a tyre killer, and with Coopr AT3's it could be an expensive tyre killer lol

mik · 01-08-2015, 12:05 AM

this is what we we want ......... something a bit beastly ....

http://www.motoring.com.au/news/2015...-stealth-49428

There is no change to the F-250 and F-350's standard second-generation 6.7-litre Power Stroke V8 turbo-diesel, which in MY2015 spec churns out 328kW (up from 298kW) and a monster 1166Nm of torque -- up from 1084Nm.

It drives all four wheels via a six-speed TorqShift automatic transmission and slams down a gargantuan towing capacity of 8.6 tonnes.

Non of this wimpy 3.5 tons bull**** !

Brazen · 01-08-2015, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by joolz

Put a 1ton trailer behind both and see who thrashes who!

That would be interesting as a tonne isn't a lot for a modern petrol 4 cylinder car to tow and the Ranger is slow to begin with. The advantage of diesel is fuel economy at, the ones I drive average under 9 litres per 100km which is brilliant.

They need to start upping the engines in the dual cabs, Toyota should put their 4.5 V8 in the Hilux. Especially for the prices Australians pay compared to the rest of South East Asia.

If you really wanted to tow near the 3.5 tonne limit and needed grunt its probably worth stepping up to a Landrover Discover 4 with its 600nm engine or Landcruiser or American pickup. But then we start talking big money.

NTF6 · 01-08-2015, 11:19 AM

I saw a Toyota Echo with a tow bar on it yesterday, seriously what could you row with a Toyota Echo?

rjk74 · 01-08-2015, 01:20 PM

I can beat that, I once saw a Toyota Corolla towing a tandem trailer with an AU falcon on it, would've been a scary trip.

Ben73 · 01-08-2015, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by NTF6

I saw a Toyota Echo with a tow bar on it yesterday, seriously what could you row with a Toyota Echo?

I was thinking about putting a towbar on ours because I didn't want to put a towbar on the 300c. I was only going to be towing a lightly loaded box trailer. In the end I bit the bullet and stuck it on the 300. Didn't even notice it was on the back of the hemi.

Binny · 01-08-2015, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by NTF6

I saw a Toyota Echo with a tow bar on it yesterday, seriously what could you row with a Toyota Echo?

A bike rack?

Franco Cozzo · 01-08-2015, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by NTF6

I saw a Toyota Echo with a tow bar on it yesterday, seriously what could you row with a Toyota Echo?

We've been pulling a 6x4 with our Mazda 323 for the last 12 years, no problem.

Goes alright for green waste and moving stuff around, small cars plenty capable of pulling 6x4 trailers.

Yellow Festiva on this forum was towing a boat around with his TDCI Focus there for a while.

NTF6 · 03-08-2015, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Damo

We've been pulling a 6x4 with our Mazda 323 for the last 12 years, no problem.

Goes alright for green waste and moving stuff around, small cars plenty capable of pulling 6x4 trailers.

Yellow Festiva on this forum was towing a boat around with his TDCI Focus there for a while.

Lucky it wasn't a Mazda 121 Damo..!