V8 ranger raptor

[Gumboot]

So the great news is a Ford Raptor V8 does exist and was seen in person at the factory.
Whether it was a one off or a pre production test we dont know.
But at least we know the Supercharged Coyote does indeed fit and could be an option after all. Maybe the other website was right all along, but were silenced by ford.

[Gumboot]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Show it to Ford America, they'll want it yesterday after the impact of Bronco reservations...

Agree 100%. They could make the volumes work, which would help us with all the right hand drive testing.

[simon varley]

Originally Posted by jpd80

I put it down to people inside Ford trying to formulated something interesting and different, something that
was worthy of consideration by Ford management in pursuing small but valuable niche products.

it got as far as defining a Raptor from Thailand with no engine fitted so that a V8 could be fitted locally, before it got canned. Unfortunately, by now, the life of the PX series is limited by the near release of the new version. Projects that previously may have gone ahead with a 3 or 4 year sales return are now being canned as it is only 1 or 2 years before they'd be superseded :(

FWIW there are some awesome projects on the way that will bring big smiles to peoples' faces. I promise.

[Gumboot]

Thanks Simon. That makes sense. So as it’s so late in the current ranger cycle and they won’t want to spend money they can’t recover, I guess we wait for the new platform. So my thinking is it s a year and half away from the new ranger platform, then the raptor will follow that as a halo model say 6 months to a year down the track. So we are looking at least 2 years -3 years for any chance of a v8 Raptor. And by then it’s most likely to have a 2.7 twin turbo petrol instead of a coyote anyway. So unlikely we will Ever see one at all anymore. And before then we will have a RAM TRX which is already confirmed , DT ram 1500 on sale in aus Before then . So ford loses more of the market that has a disposable $100k+ as they will shop elsewhere before then.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Gumboot

Thanks Simon. That makes sense. So as it’s so late in the current ranger cycle and they won’t want to spend money they can’t recover, I guess we wait for the new platform. So my thinking is it s a year and half away from the new ranger platform, then the raptor will follow that as a halo model say 6 months to a year down the track. So we are looking at least 2 years -3 years for any chance of a v8 Raptor. And by then it’s most likely to have a 2.7 twin turbo petrol instead of a coyote anyway. So unlikely we will Ever see one at all anymore. And before then we will have a RAM TRX which is already confirmed , DT ram 1500 on sale in aus Before then . So ford loses more of the market that has a disposable $100k+ as they will shop elsewhere before then.

Why wouldn’t a Raptor be available at the start of this product cycle?
Remembering that Ranger is not the first vehicle on Next Gen T6...it’s such an important model, I can’t see them launching the new Ranger without it being ready.
You may be right about there never being a V8 Ranger but a TTV6 is still something worth considering...

[chevypower]

Looks like a 450hp EcoBoost hybrid might be happening for the Bronco, so I would imagine Ranger also. https://www.tflcar.com/2020/08/2022-...rid-leak-news/

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Gumboot

Thanks Simon. That makes sense. So as it’s so late in the current ranger cycle and they won’t want to spend money they can’t recover, I guess we wait for the new platform. So my thinking is it s a year and half away from the new ranger platform, then the raptor will follow that as a halo model say 6 months to a year down the track. So we are looking at least 2 years -3 years for any chance of a v8 Raptor. And by then it’s most likely to have a 2.7 twin turbo petrol instead of a coyote anyway. So unlikely we will Ever see one at all anymore. And before then we will have a RAM TRX which is already confirmed , DT ram 1500 on sale in aus Before then . So ford loses more of the market that has a disposable $100k+ as they will shop elsewhere before then.

You have your answer on Ram TRX 1500, it's up on US website priced from USD$70,000,
that's AUS$100,000 before transport, conversion to RHD and LCT.

We'll be lucky if it's here in RHD for less than $170,000.

[CyberWasp]

$170,000 sounds about right from the rough figures.

That being said it, leaves a lot of wiggle room for a V8 Raptor to slot in well underneath.
So much room that they could even do a supercharged one way under that.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by CyberWasp

$170,000 sounds about right from the rough figures.

That being said it, leaves a lot of wiggle room for a V8 Raptor to slot in well underneath.
So much room that they could even do a supercharged one way under that.

Absolutely, the full sized pickup entry point has moved lower in recent years
but it's still high enough to limit buyers.

Ford must be watching full sized sales and thinking there's still pricing head room
for a vehicle priced higher than the current Raptor

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by jpd80

You have your answer on Ram TRX 1500, it's up on US website priced from USD$70,000,
that's AUS$100,000 before transport, conversion to RHD and LCT.

We'll be lucky if it's here in RHD for less than $170,000.

Looks like the next F150 Raptor will be getting the Predator engine from the GT500.

Ram will hold the title of most powerful pick up for a couple of weeks before it comes in and stomps on it

Imagine that engine in a Ranger Raptor.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Looks like the next F150 Raptor will be getting the Predator engine from the GT500.

Ram will hold the title of most powerful pick up for a couple of weeks before it comes in and stomps on it

Imagine that engine in a Ranger Raptor.

A S/C V8 Ranger Raptor is insanely brilliant but it would completely upstage big brother F150 Raptor.

The other alternative I see for F150 Raptor is PHEV + EB V6 that matches Ram's S/C V8,
that would give Raptor massive launch power and remove any CAFE headaches.

Whatever is happening, Ford is not saying a peep and just letting the internet question Ram's claims
and if you think about it, that's gotta be more damaging to Rams self esteem than Ford saying anything.

[Chopped]

One of my customers has an F150 Shelby Super Snake. 750hp supercharged coyote.
Red with the white stripes. Big vehicle.

Big, big bucks though. Crazy money really.

First time I have ever seen one in Aus.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Chopped

One of my customers has an F150 Shelby Super Snake. 750hp supercharged coyote.
Red with the white stripes. Big vehicle.

Big, big bucks though. Crazy money really.

First time I have ever seen one in Aus.

While not presuming to know other people's business, I'd imagine that a lot of the full sized pickups are leased for business purposes so cost of ownership is minimised.

Other people are just wealthy beyond imagination and just buy what they like/want, the cost is chicken feed to those owners.
If Ford wants to play in this arena, all it has to do is give people what they want and take their cash, it's that simple.

[Gumboot]

Well a year on. It was only a matter of time before people made their own V8 Raptor. Check out this video. It does sound beautiful.




......

[jpd80]

At least the V8 conversion is available if you have a spare $56k…….

[.:4:.]

Originally Posted by jpd80

At least the V8 conversion is available if you have a spare $56k…….

Watching earlier videos on that conversion, its 56k and you also have to supply the rapter too, but they use a new crate motor so thats a bonus. The test mule is a stat writeoff so cannot be registered. But a proper non writeoff rapter can be regoed with that conversion. Apparently the 5L is comparable in weight to the diesiels too.

[XR Martin]

I think it only cost $35k to convert a Colorado to a supercharged LS.

[Gumboot]

The best value was the Harrop Colorado V8 Superado. I don’t think they are doing them anymore with a lack of utes
They were charging. $44k drive in drive out for supercharged LS3 swap to your new Colorado. ( non supercharged just ls3 was $37k) all electrics working , inc 4WD
They re used the base loom from the same guys that are now doing the Ford Ranger raptor v8 in the videos. Apparently they were breaking a few drive shafts though. Lol

[naddis01]

They must have put the price up because they quoted me just over $43k back in Feb. It included the following...

The process includes the following:

*New crate engine

*Mated to your original 6R80 auto transmission, which is upgraded to V8 mustang specification

*Full electronics integration

*New exhaust system. Ceramic coated headers into a twin 3” exhaust system.

*New air intake system

*New air conditioning system

*Fuel system

*Full compliance

*Standard brakes are retained, Upgrades are optional

[Gumboot]

That sounds about right Naddis01, the $35-$37k was a base create ls3 swap. If you wanted the harrop supercharged engine it was $44k. Upgraded Brakes, etc all on top of that.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by naddis01

They must have put the price up because they quoted me just over $43k back in Feb. It included the following...

The process includes the following:

*New crate engine

*Mated to your original 6R80 auto transmission, which is upgraded to V8 mustang specification

*Full electronics integration

*New exhaust system. Ceramic coated headers into a twin 3” exhaust system.

*New air intake system

*New air conditioning system

*Fuel system

*Full compliance

*Standard brakes are retained, Upgrades are optional

Assume your talking about upgrading the 3.2L 5 cylinder Ranger?
RR has a 10 speed behind the 2L doesn't it?

[naddis01]

Yeah that was for 3.2

[jpd80]

Perhaps the Ram people could look at doing Ranger V8 conversions, maybe bring down conversion costs?

[GTLEGEND]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Perhaps the Ram people could look at doing Ranger V8 conversions, maybe bring down conversion costs?

I would say Tickford, Herrord or Premcar would be the best for the job to be done to OE standard.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Perhaps the Ram people could look at doing Ranger V8 conversions, maybe bring down conversion costs?

"The RAM People" are already getting government funding. it couldn't be done for the price otherwise.
also needs approval from the parent company. new car warranty Politics etc

sorry.

[Gumboot]

It would be interesting to hear how many hours of labour it would take to say swap a Coyote v8 into a Ford Ranger Raptor. And how efficient they could make the process. The price would be directly related to that + create engine



Apparently the left to right hand drive conversion of the Ram 1500's at Walkinshaw is now down to 66 hours per vehicle for re manufacturing . Some of the other left to right conversion there are taking over 110 hours they said.



It all academic anyway now, Seems like ford will go for the twin turbo V6 into the Raptor. Probably give pretty close performance to the v8. Down a bit on power but good torque. Then watch the after-maket get hold of it and crack the ecu ( or run a piggyback) they wind the boost way up and probably surpass the coyotes power output ( and yes lose your warranty). Bring it on I say.

[jpd80]

Hennessy in the US will be doing 200 warmed Bronco Badlands,
The 2.7 EB is pumped to 405 hp @ 5,700 and 503 lb ft @ 3,900

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by GTLEGEND

I would say Tickford, Herrord or Premcar would be the best for the job to be done to OE standard.

That’s a point, maybe they will see an opportunity with the NG Ranger and Everest.

[FPV8U]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Hennessy in the US will be doing 200 warmed Bronco Badlands,
The 2.7 EB is pumped to 405 hp @ 5,700 and 503 lb ft @ 3,900

Already saving my spare change awaiting this motor hopefully being available in the XLT or FX4 trim level.

In the states both the EB 2.7 and 3.5L were actually a few thousand cheaper than the 3L Powerstroke as a F150 option.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by FPV8U

Already saving my spare change awaiting this motor hopefully being available in the XLT or FX4 trim level.

In the states both the EB 2.7 and 3.5L were actually a few thousand cheaper than the 3L Powerstroke as a F150 option.

I remember when the 2.7 EB was introduced in F150, Ford was adamant it was a better strategy
than diesel, actually settled at around 10,000 sales per month, more than three times Ram Ecodiesel.

Surprised that Ford put the 3.0 diesel in F150, they only did it because JLR paid for emissions upgrades
before they switched to own design I-6 diesel. Now V6 Powerstroke looks gifted to Ranger and Everest.
Did Ford deliberately amortise costs to help T6 global vehicles?

Ford has a way of making things interesting in Ranger/Everest, I hope they call Toyota’s bluff with hybrids