Automotive manufacturing could return to Australia, Robyn Denholm claims

[fgpsi]

https://www.caradvice.com.au/957995/...enholm-claims/

[Bossxr8]

Would require a mega factory that could pump out at least 200,000 cars a year. But then where do they sell these cars to?

Pipe dream.

[lra]

If the Commodore Auto Company could build, sell and export nearly those numbers in the early 2000s, and the Falcon Car Company was allowed to build LHD export vehicles as well, it could have been achieved if both GM and Ford USA had been told to go and **** themselves in 2012.
Australia could have had a single viable industry, with the existing infrastructure in place.
There were more than enough smart people, engineers and designers spread within the two companies to accomplish this.
The moment has gone, and too many $$$$ are needed to start it again. We are destined to accept whatever scraps are being thrown after the rest of the world is supplied.
When Chinese cars are being praised as being affordable, and their engineering accepted as being sufficient for needs, be it ICE, PHEV or EV. we are doomed.

[Electrolyte Burns]

Just another bloke looking for his 15 minutes of fame.

[Crazy Dazz]

Eventually, when the number of people employed digging up the Pilbara exceeds the population of Sydney, governments will be forced to start thinking about what else this country can do besides digging itself up. Either that, or they will just sell WA to the Chinese.
We SHOULD be making steel and steel products. We SHOULD be making copper, and electric motors. We SHOULD be making batteries.
Making ships, trains, and cars, is a logical extension.

However the biggest challenge facing Australia, is the lack of energy devoted to pulling our politicians' heads out of their *****. Until me can achieve that, nothing is going to change.
And I imagine I'll be long dead before that happens.

[yanknbank]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

Eventually, when the number of people employed digging up the Pilbara exceeds the population of Sydney, governments will be forced to start thinking about what else this country can do besides digging itself up. Either that, or they will just sell WA to the Chinese.
We SHOULD be making steel and steel products. We SHOULD be making copper, and electric motors. We SHOULD be making batteries.
Making ships, trains, and cars, is a logical extension.

However the biggest challenge facing Australia, is the lack of energy devoted to pulling our politicians' heads out of their *****. Until me can achieve that, nothing is going to change.
And I imagine I'll be long dead before that happens.

.....instead we’re making left handed hammers, right hand threaded thunderbolts, female gluten free surf boards and decaf skinny soy latte’s (why bother?). The lucky country.

[fgpsi]

Originally Posted by Electrolyte Burns

Just another bloke looking for his 15 minutes of fame.

Pretty sure its a chick lol

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by fgpsi

Pretty sure its a chick lol

Did you just assume their gender?

How dare you, they actually identify as a McDonnell Douglas AH-64 helicopter.

[Tassie f100]

Originally Posted by lra

If the Commodore Auto Company could build, sell and export nearly those numbers in the early 2000s, and the Falcon Car Company was allowed to build LHD export vehicles as well, it could have been achieved if both GM and Ford USA had been told to go and **** themselves in 2012.
Australia could have had a single viable industry, with the existing infrastructure in place.
There were more than enough smart people, engineers and designers spread within the two companies to accomplish this.
The moment has gone, and too many $$$$ are needed to start it again. We are destined to accept whatever scraps are being thrown after the rest of the world is supplied.
When Chinese cars are being praised as being affordable, and their engineering accepted as being sufficient for needs, be it ICE, PHEV or EV. we are doomed.

We were doomed from the time the over powerful unions priced us out of the world labour market.Can not compete with labour rates at a maximum half Aust rates.Japan moved their motor manufacturing plants for that exact same reason.

[DFB FGXR6]

The woman is delusional!

[CyberWasp]

Automotive Manufacturing is already here.
Why hasn't everybody put down a deposit yet?
https://www.ace-ev.com.au/

[fgpsi]

Originally Posted by CyberWasp

Automotive Manufacturing is already here.
Why hasn't everybody put down a deposit yet?
https://www.ace-ev.com.au/


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would look good with 20 inch dark argents

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Tassie f100

We were doomed from the time the over powerful unions priced us out of the world labour market.Can not compete with labour rates at a maximum half Aust rates.Japan moved their motor manufacturing plants for that exact same reason.

Not this **** again. If that was the case, then why is manufacturing in Germany, the USA, Canada and South Korea booming? When they are higher paid auto workers than we were.

[Tassie f100]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Not this **** again. If that was the case, then why is manufacturing in Germany, the USA, Canada and South Korea booming? When they are higher paid auto workers than we were.

Just maybe because the others are more efficient and work a days work for a days pay and not wanting 20% of their working life on holidays

[xb74_black]

Any new automotive enterprise would be high tech and highly automated.



If the history of car building in oz teaches us anything it is that a partnership where a foreign multinational sets up manufacturing here, only suits the multinational.

If a locally owned car company had setup in the 40s or 50s we would probably still have car built here. We might not have had the skillset then, we certainly do now.


Dual cab utes and electric cars is what would sell locally, and be exportable.

[Trevor 57]

I always have a bit of a laugh when people sprout the 'green' benefits of electric vehicles - the whole thing is a Furphy, and I am pretty 'green' in my outlook, but seriously . . . . . . .

What is mined to manufacture these vehicles?

What is mined to manufacture the batteries?

What is the lifespan of the batteries?

What happens to the batteries when they are expired?

What energy is required to keep the EV's charged?

Where does the energy come from to charge EV's?

[Burnout]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

I always have a bit of a laugh when people sprout the 'green' benefits of electric vehicles - the whole thing is a Furphy, and I am pretty 'green' in my outlook, but seriously . . . . . . .

What is mined to manufacture these vehicles?

What is mined to manufacture the batteries?

What is the lifespan of the batteries?

What happens to the batteries when they are expired?

What energy is required to keep the EV's charged?

Where does the energy come from to charge EV's?

Dont discuss with the EV crowd the questions they cannot answer.

She has a vested interest in her employer and is advertising the same.

[Dr Terry]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Not this **** again. If that was the case, then why is manufacturing in Germany, the USA, Canada and South Korea booming? When they are higher paid auto workers than we were.

Well there is this:

Originally Posted by Tassie f100

Just maybe because the others are more efficient and work a days work for a days pay and not wanting 20% of their working life on holidays

Also those countries that you list have populations much greater than ours (except maybe Canada which is just an extension of the US auto industry). That much greater population can support the subsidies that their industries receive.

With only 25 million people we cannot afford those subsidies.

Dr Terry

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Tassie f100

Just maybe because the others are more efficient and work a days work for a days pay and not wanting 20% of their working life on holidays

They have similar leave entitlements to ours. I've looked. Keep beating that drum though

The more efficient part is because they work in mega factories geared up to build 200,000 + vehicles per year. That was the biggest killer of Broady, it could never build enough vehicles for economy of scale, when it was maxed out at about 100,000 cars a year.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Dr Terry

Well there is this:

Also those countries that you list have populations much greater than ours (except maybe Canada which is just an extension of the US auto industry). That much greater population can support the subsidies that their industries receive.

With only 25 million people we cannot afford those subsidies.

Dr Terry

That is also one of the biggest killers for australian auto manufacturing. We simply do not have the population to support it, cause our market is 17 times smaller than it is in the US. Hence we do not have the potential sales numbers to support building locally. The sales volumes need to support the investment.

Thats why people who keep sprouting the idea that auto manufacturing will come back here are making zero sense.

But nah it's the unions and high wages

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Not this **** again. If that was the case, then why is manufacturing in Germany, the USA, Canada and South Korea booming? When they are higher paid auto workers than we were.

Because they're pumping out Hundreds of Thousands care per annum, as apposed to; the tens of Thousands of cars Australia used to produce..

[Tassie f100]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

They have similar leave entitlements to ours. I've looked. Keep beating that drum though

The more efficient part is because they work in mega factories geared up to build 200,000 + vehicles per year. That was the biggest killer of Broady, it could never build enough vehicles for economy of scale, when it was maxed out at about 100,000 cars a year.

Wel obviously you are too young and blind to have noticed that Aust had a pretty good manufacturing and export industry until about the mid eighties,then it all went pear shaped,but it wasn’trapidly increasing wages!!!!(inflation high teens to twenty percent),so I don’t really know what you reckon was the problem

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by Tassie f100

Wel obviously you are too young and blind to have noticed that Aust had a pretty good manufacturing and export industry until about the mid eighties,then it all went pear shaped,but it wasn’trapidly increasing wages!!!!(inflation high teens to twenty percent),so I don’t really know what you reckon was the problem

I suggest that you Google.. Button car Plan...

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Tassie f100

Wel obviously you are too young and blind to have noticed that Aust had a pretty good manufacturing and export industry until about the mid eighties,then it all went pear shaped,but it wasn’trapidly increasing wages!!!!(inflation high teens to twenty percent),so I don’t really know what you reckon was the problem

Duh. Tariffs had nothing to do with it obviously

Try researching before you post crap.

[CyberWasp]

The solution is simple.
Everyone needs to have 10-20 kids each.
We will then have the population of the USA.
We will then have the market size to build what we want.
Go out and do your duty for the country.

[simon varley]

even if we could invest in mega factories to build the volumes, we'd need to improve our port handling facilities significantly to push that many cars onto that many transporter boats. Not saying it can't be done but the the recent governments of both sides reluctance to spend any money on real infrastructure improvements makes me doubt the will

[Crazy Dazz]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

What is mined to manufacture these vehicles

Nothing, as long as we have the correct colours for our bin lids, everything will be recycled.

What is mined to manufacture the batteries?

We don't care, as long as it's mined somewhere else.

What is the lifespan of the batteries?

They last forever

What happens to the batteries when they are expired?

Doesn't matter as long as you put them in the right bin

What energy is required to keep the EV's charged?

Every shop and carpark must be forced to install free charging points

Where does the energy come from to charge EV's?

It comes free from the sun.

[Trevor 57]

you are a fool

[zilo]

I always thought the export potential of australian cars was undermined by the wild currency fluctuations of the Australian dollar.

My brother worked at Mitsubishi...they made 270 cars a day...200 were exported to the US.

That was when we were 48 cents to a USD.

Then we went to $ AUD0.99 to $USD1.00 that made an Australian made Diamate (Magna) the same price as a C class Mercedes in the US.

What happened next is history...

Nothing to do with the workers.

Poor Mitsubishi released the 380 at the same time planning to export it to the US.

it was cheaper to build the same car (galant) in the us...and they did right up to 2012.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by zilo

I always thought the export potential of australian cars was undermined by the wild currency fluctuations of the Australian dollar.

My brother worked at Mitsubishi...they made 270 cars a day...200 were exported to the US.

That was when we were 48 cents to a USD.

Then we went to $ AUD0.99 to $USD1.00 that made an Australian made Diamate (Magna) the same price as a C class Mercedes in the US.

What happened next is history...

Nothing to do with the workers.

Poor Mitsubishi released the 380 at the same time planning to export it to the US.

it was cheaper to build the same car (galant) in the us...and they did right up to 2012.

When Mitsubishi closed up shop in Adelaide that killed one of the branches of our companies - we had eggs all in one basket with Mitsubishi having lost all the other manufacturers up to that point in Australia, Ford and Holden abandoned us for Thailand manufacture around the time of the Thailand FTA, then add in over the years losing Nissan and the like too, all roads lead to Mitsubishi.

Then Mitsubishi said goodbye and that torpedoed us.

Its not just the people working at the manufacturers it torpedos the whole supply chain of all the little companies manufacturing and supplying all sorts of bits and bobs to them.

Couple decades ago we employed 700 people in Victoria alone across two production facilities in our day, now its around 30 of us in Melbourne and 15 in other states.

The irony in it all even though we're tiny now, we've got a unique capability because everyone else gave up on it