New P-Plate Laws (VIC)

[xbandrew]

hey what does everyone think of the new laws that they are bringing in this july and next year in july. and what laws are they definately bringing in and what ones are a load of Crap, like the curfew rumor that has been going round.

[OnLiA6]

they have been saying a cerfew law for years but have never done it, i dont think it will happen

[XR-351]

i am pretty sure there is no certain date set up for anything yet...

[XCSEDAN]

i hope for your sake, that you dont get your P's after July 1st 2008... 4 years on them mate and a two year system....
i think the whole P plate situation needs to be revised and thought through properly like the kennet government did (125kw-1tonne, 3.5 litres per tonne).

[LukeGT]

I don't think anyone who watches the news or drives on the road would disagree that there are a large number of P platers out there driving high powered cars with little ability. If the new laws can reduce the number of deaths in this high-risk category then good on them.

What sucks for the majority of P platers is they have to suffer because of the actions of the minority, and you can't have different rules for different people - according to the law everyone has the same skill level when it comes to driving. You never will know if these laws will save your *** someday too.

Having said that, I drove an XA GT and 351 XB Fairmont on my P's and it would SUCK to only be allowed to drive 6 cylinders.

[xbandrew]

yea it is gonna sucki turn 18 on june 23 so ive only got a week to get em, so if i dont get em on my first go then i get the 4 years of it.

[XCSEDAN]

the thingthat gets me is the people who seem to kill/die in these crashes are usually already breaking the rules... tightening them up like this is just going to **** all the P-platers off (me included) and make them want to break them... pointless in my mind, they were fine as they were.... now they are just getting stupid.

[XR-351]

yeah im 18 in august 2008 my idea is to go to qld where my uncle lives get my licence there on the first of june then come here (vic) after i get them and stay with the qld licence which im allowed to use in vic for up to 6 months before they need to be changed this way after july 08 i will alreaddy have my licence...

dont no if this will work but im trying to find something to get out of it,

[Lab_Boy]

Personally I think all states should adopt a Motorbike license style 8 hour course over 1 or 2 days for someone to get their L's. Currently the system is that anyone with an unrestricted license can teach a new driver, regardless of their ability to teach (or even drive). That way i think these calls for restrictions on size, or curfews, or limitations on passengers would be less important.

The structure of the motorbike courses is great for first timers, it teaches competence in one skill before moving onto another, something that is a little lacking in the current Car L structure where a written test is all you need before you start pointing a large automobile at other road users. I know from my own experiences 15 years ago learning to drive on a 5 acre bush block, that getting some practice down before having to deal with other cars is great, but this is hardly practical for 90% of Australians these days.

[Tobey]

In NSW these laws take effect on the 1st of July this year. So i dont see why they wouldnt happen in VIC... These states seem to copy each other on most things they bring in for p platers...

[BTTB]

I fail to see how this is relevant to X-series Falcons ???? :

Try posting this kinda Question In THE PUB

[BTTB]

Thank you...

[kocho]

What even are the exact new rules?

[uranium_death]

Originally Posted by Vicroads

The new Graduated Licensing System commenced with the introduction of new alcohol interlock laws on 1 January 2007.

This is the first of three stages of the new system that will be fully implemented by July 2008.

The second stage will be implemented in July 2007 which will include learner drivers being required to obtain at least 120 hours of driving experience before they can apply for a probationary licence. There will also be tighter restrictions imposed on probationary drivers when driving high powered vehicles.

The final stage in July 2008 will be the introduction of a two stage probationary licence comprising a one year P1 probationary licence, and a three year P2 probationary licence.

That is what Vicroads have to say.

[TEaaron]

The new power laws are ******* stupid!


No v8's
No high performance 6cyls.
No turbo or supercharged cars.
No performance enhancing modifications

So, you can drive a N/A s2000 Vtech what will own most v8's on the road.

And you can drop a N/A 20b rotary into your mazda 323.

Or you can drive a brand new 190kw bf falcon what will destroy most 5L's

But putting a highflow air filter on your 1980's holden barina is ILLEGAL



The power to weight laws were perfect imo.

[FPV8U]

Originally Posted by XDaaron

The new power laws are ******* stupid!


No v8's
No high performance 6cyls.
No turbo or supercharged cars.
No performance enhancing modifications

So, you can drive a N/A s2000 Vtech what will own most v8's on the road.

And you can drop a N/A 20b rotary into your mazda 323.

Or you can drive a brand new 190kw bf falcon what will destroy most 5L's



The power to weight laws were perfect imo.

Agreed the old system was better, this latest version is just getting stupid.

[FGII-XR6]

Originally Posted by XDaaron

The new power laws are ******* stupid!


No v8's
No high performance 6cyls.
No turbo or supercharged cars.
No performance enhancing modifications

So, you can drive a N/A s2000 Vtech what will own most v8's on the road.

And you can drop a N/A 20b rotary into your mazda 323.

Or you can drive a brand new 190kw bf falcon what will destroy most 5L's

But putting a highflow air filter on your 1980's holden barina is ILLEGAL



The power to weight laws were perfect imo.

i would consider 20b(didn't know there was such an animal) rotary into your mazda 323 to be a performande enhancing mod if it is a more powerful motor than standard ( I know little about rotary rice burners) and who knows they might consider a 190 Kw BF to be a high performance 6 seeing as you said it can eat some 5L cars for breakfast. that having been said this thread should be in the pub

[Sick EB]

does anyone think the e-series will be on the list of restricted cars? i am conserned about my eb gli. i know i am over rating it a bit but i just want to know what everyone thinks. matt.

but on this sunday i will find out for sure. the vic roads, rta and arrive alive websites are going to go into melt down

[XR-351]

can ya still drive a ba xr6?

[Sick EB]

Originally Posted by XR-351

can ya still drive a ba xr6?

i doubt it. that would be close to power to weight anyway. i have heard from mates that el xr6's are going to be too powerful but by sunday we will know

[Ralliart]

in my my honest opion this is going hit Holden and Ford The Most, sorry guys :( , especially with the v8s,

No v8's - Holden & Ford
No high performance 6cyls. - Holden, Ford, Mitz Ralliart Magna
No turbo or supercharged cars. , Holden , Ford, Mitz evo, Sub wrx/sti, Skylines, Supra's, S200

i feel sorry for the new drivers going for their licence after july 1

[-=FoRdEseries=-]

im fairly sure u can put a exhaust system and pod filter because theoretically they said no 'engine' mods and it sorta isnt apart of the 'engine' because they are more looking for superchargers and turbos and bored out engines ect so i dont think a h/f air filter wouldnt bother them to much. i emailed them and the new power/weight is 115kw so it works with ba's and au's and so forth.

[Woz]

So hang on, if you've already got your probationary license before July 1st, 2007, do the new (no V8's and no Turbo's) laws not apply to you?

[TEaaron]

Originally Posted by Woz

So hang on, if you've already got your probationary license before July 1st, 2007, do the new (no V8's and no Turbo's) laws not apply to you?

Yep, if you get em before the laws don't apply.

[Van D]

Originally Posted by Woz

So hang on, if you've already got your probationary license before July 1st, 2007, do the new (no V8's and no Turbo's) laws not apply to you?

Yeah, don't apply.

I'd like to see a proper system put in place instead of just bans everywhere. Something to do with advanced driver courses. I know it'd be hard to police, but perhaps only higher trained P's could drive higher powered cars?

[JamesR]

id like to see how the cops could prove that you have had internal engine mods done.

[FoX_XF]

the cops are allowed to check under the hood if they pull u over for hooning,
but unless its plain obvious (like a great bid turbo hanging off the side of ur engine) then i dont think they can do much,
the worst iv seen is that my mate was told to take his pod filter off coz it was installed incorrectly,
BA xr6 was never allowed to be driven in the first place,
the standard falcon was, there was a tuning difference,
there is a list of cars on the gov website that can n cant be driven at the moment,
being the 1st 2moro, i guess it will be changed,

i can sorta understand why they are doing it tho...
all i ever see on the news is:
"P-plater in crumpledoor hits tree at 60kmph over the limit"
or the classic:
"P-plater in high-powerd nissan wraps around light-post"

personaly, something does need to be done to stop this crap coz they are ruining it for all of us, but i couldnt really think of anything...
i do like the hoon laws tho, as i myself have been caught on them twice...

once for accelerating to fast in my stock 83 prelude (how fast is too fast? seriously, if my prelude is "too fast" then i might aswell buy a corola!)

the other was coz we stupidly recorded our-selfs doin burnouts n ect... we had wat was coming to us i guess... shoulda snapped the disk BEFORE the cops turned up...

i duno about this curfew bullsh*t tho, coz how are me n my mates suposed to get to the local night-club each night? im not walking through the streets of melton at 3am!!
ill get stabbed!
maybe thats why we have a free clinic now?


oh wells, thats all my opinions rolled into one, have fun guys!

[SiKoRa_eL_97]

Originally Posted by Woz

So hang on, if you've already got your probationary license before July 1st, 2007, do the new (no V8's and no Turbo's) laws not apply to you?

I just want to 2 clarify something can u drive can i drive a v8 after 1st of July 2007? I already have my probationary liscence.

[JamesR]

Originally Posted by SiKoRa_eL_97

I just want to 2 clarify something can u drive can i drive a v8 after 1st of July 2007? I already have my probationary liscence.

if you already have your P's, you go by the old rules.
if you get your P's after the 1st, you go by the new rules.

[FPV8U]

Originally Posted by JamesR

if you already have your P's, you go by the old rules.
if you get your P's after the 1st, you go by the new rules.

Correct.