US September sales figures.

[imugli]

Ford -5.1%
GM -42%
Chrysler -40%
Toyota -12%
Nissan -7%
Honda -20%
Hyundai +27%

LINK

[Lukeyson]

Hyundai are the ones they all would be worried about, Toyota is so last year

[Luke Plaizier]

Drive have just today reported that GM sales were down 45% and Toyota down 16% for September. So which numbers are right?

No mention of Ford - I guess when it's good news in relative terms to GM/H then they need to be quiet or they breach their contracts.....


Lukeyson

[imugli]

My money is on detnews being correct...

[Polyal]

Its was only a matter of time with Hyundai, they usually nail there segments with an ok car with a low price.

Is there RWD coupe still going ahead? Their current on now (Tibrion sp?) is not a bad car but FWD kills it.

[Wally]

Really indicates the slide in market share for GM, where they are down 45% on a year ago and still sold 40000 more vehicles than Ford.

[mik]

i saw a doco sometime ago on Hyundai heavy industries in the doco H H I where making about 50 ocean liner size vessels year, i can`t imagine Hyundai cars ever being short of a dollar, the whole company must be worth a big lot.

[Ghiadude]

Originally Posted by Wally

Really indicates the slide in market share for GM, where they are down 45% on a year ago and still sold 40000 more vehicles than Ford.

and continuing to slide - interesting to note that chrysler has a similar trend while ford is the ONLY LOCAL to buck that trend. It also seems that ford is starting to keep better pace with the imported manufacturers

[Wally]

Yes and I'm sure the Ecoboost line is concerted effort to shift and align Ford with it's Asian and European competitors.

I was watching a doco on the SUV history the other day and the margins they make on these is outstanding, in no small part due to the female uptake (85% purchase decision) so the ecoboost satisfies the inherent green credentials of females while still giving them the masculine safety of a barge.

[XRFutura]

Originally Posted by Polyal

Its was only a matter of time with Hyundai, they usually nail there segments with an ok car with a low price.

Is there RWD coupe still going ahead? Their current on now (Tibrion sp?) is not a bad car but FWD kills it.

Yeah, the RWD coupe is already out in america, its under their lux badge Genesis. All the right hand drive markets are pushing hyundai to make it right hand drive. Rumor has it they are about to start development.

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by Wally

Yes and I'm sure the Ecoboost line is concerted effort to shift and align Ford with it's Asian and European competitors.

I was watching a doco on the SUV history the other day and the margins they make on these is outstanding, in no small part due to the female uptake (85% purchase decision) so the ecoboost satisfies the inherent green credentials of females while still giving them the masculine safety of a barge.

A link I threw up in another thread said that ford can make $14000 on a fully optioned pick up. But large cars/suv's do make good margins..its small cars where there is little margin.

[Wally]

Well they were bandying figures like $22k gross for SUVs. The Explorer is basically the truck sub with a body plonked on top, so there wasn't any real platform development req'd.

[phillyc]

Originally Posted by imugli

Ford -5.1%
GM -42%
Chrysler -40%
Toyota -12%
Nissan -7%
Honda -20%
Hyundai +27%

LINK

Left Lane News

http://www.leftlanenews.com/septembe...s-figures.html

Ford saw its overall market share – including all of its brands – increase about 2 percent for September. The automaker says it is pleased with sales for the new Taurus sedan and that the F-Series posted its second consecutive monthly sales increase (3.5 percent). The automaker also says that its EcoBoost powertrain demand is “outstripping projections.”

Ford’s Fusion saw a 9 percent increase in demand, which helped year-to-date sales hit 134,600 – a 14.5 percent overall increase compared to last year. More than 5,000 Taurus sedans were also sold, representing a 60.1 percent increase over the old model.

Overall, General Motors sold 156,673 vehicles, representing a 44.9 percent drop compared to the year before.

Acura, down 30.3 percent to 7,259.
Audi, down 4.9 percent to 7,209.
BMW, up 2.1 percent to 15,047.
Buick, down 33 percent to 9,455.
Cadillac, down 8.8 percent to 11,339.
Chevrolet, down 40.7 percent to 102,538.
Chrysler, down 61 percent to 9,046.
Dodge, down 43 percent to 35,864.
Ford, down 4.1 percent to 98,516.
GMC, down 53 percent to 18,359.
Hummer, down 81.5 percent to 426.
Hyundai, up 27 percent to 31,511.
Infiniti, down 15 percent to 6,610.
Jeep, down 19 percent to 17,287.
Kia, up 24.4 percent to 21,623.
Lexus, up 7.3 percent to 17,939.
Lincoln, down 21 percent to 5,980.
Honda, down 22.5 percent to 69,970.
Mazda, down 12 percent to 14,234.
Mercury, down 16 percent to 5,443.
Mercedes-Benz, down 9.6 percent to 16,985.
Mini, up 9.7 percent to 4,128.
Mitsubishi, down 36.1 percent to 4,712.
Nissan, down 5.8 percent to 48,783.
Pontiac, down 52.5 percent to 11,079.
Porsche, up 8 percent to 1,581.
Saab, down 72.6 percent to 484.
Saturn, down 83.8 percent to 2,993.
Smart, down 54 percent to 814.
Subaru, up 0.7 percent to 14,593.
Suzuki, down 54 percent to 1,861.
Toyota, down 19.1 percent to 108,076.
Volkswagen, up 1.5 percent to 17,358.
Volvo, up 16.3 percent to 4,716.

[Bent8]

I hate to says this but the numbers will continue to drop across the board as the months pass...

Everyone keeps saying it's because of poor management which is partly to blame but the real reason is because of available credit, hyper-inflation and the fact the only thing holding the US dollar together right now is because it's the only currency you can buy oil with! (soon to change)

Anyone heard of Weimar Republic hyperinflation?....read up on it because it's coming the good ol' US of A very very soon!

A short vid which will shock...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfSDP...layer_embedded

[mik]

hard to say, well have to wait and see.

[Pedro]

The main reason for the GM & Chrysler sales slump was caused by buyer's uncertainty of the future of the two brands as they slid into bankruptcy. The thinking was ... "if they go broke, I ain't going to get any back-up service or spare parts".

Hyundai sales surged due to their advertising master stroke ... "If you buy a Hyundai now and get sacked within the next 12 months, we'll take it back with no costs to you, no questions asked".

And as for the Genesis coupe, it's been getting rave reviews in the American media and is thought of so highly that Ford wouldn't give Motor Trend magazine a 2010 Mustang GT to do a comparison test along side one.

[vztrt]

GM, Chrysler mired in the sales blues

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...25764600222EBE

US companies resume freefall in wake of ‘clunkers’ incentives

5 October 2009

By RON HAMMERTON

THE downward spiral of General Motors and Chrysler continued in the United States last month as vehicle sales of the embattled American companies fell at twice the rate of the overall market as the government wound up its ‘cash-for-clunkers’ sales incentive scheme.

While the US market slid 23 per cent in September compared with the same month in 2008, GM sales plummeted 45 per cent to 282,806 units, while Chrysler volumes were down 42 per cent to 62,197 vehicles.

At the same time, rival Toyota’s volumes fell 13 per cent, Ford sales dipped five per cent and Honda slumped 20 per cent over September 2008.

These falls were on top of large sales declines a year ago when the global financial crisis really began to bite, slicing car sales by 27 per cent in September 2008.

While some of GM’s decline last month can be sheeted home to the winding down of death-row franchises Pontiac, Hummer and Saturn, the alarming reality is that most of the decline came from a 40 per cent slump in Chevrolet sales and a 53 per cent dive in GMC truck volumes.

One of the few highlights for Chevrolet was the Australian-engineered Camaro sports coupe, which comprised 18 per cent of Chevy passenger car sales.

After nine months of 2009, the US market is running at an annualised rate of 9.5 million units, meaning it has shrunk by seven million units since 2006 when 16.5 million cars and light trucks were sold.

The general market malaise has not slowed a resurgent Hyundai, whose sales soared 27 per cent in the US market last month when its top-sellers – Elantra, Santa Fe and Accent – all made substantial gains.

The Korean car-maker is the only top-10 competitor in the US to have increased volumes in the first three quarters of 2009, with sales up 1.4 per cent to 342,217 units.

By comparison, market leader GM is down 36 per cent year to date, to a nine-month total of 1.5 million vehicles, while second-placed Toyota is down 28 per cent, to 1.3 million cars and light trucks.

Third-placed Ford – the only ‘Big Three’ US car-maker to avoid chapter 11 bankruptcy – missed a gear in September after two year-on-year monthly gains, suffering a five per cent sales slip, to 114,241 units.

However, Ford enjoyed substantial gains in sales of fuel-efficient models such as Focus and Fusion – up 35 and 67 per cent respectively in September. Even the F-Series pickup was up, by 3.5 per cent.

While Blue Oval volumes remain depressed year to date, down 23 per cent, Ford consoled itself with the knowledge that its third-quarter sales were on the right side of the ledger, up five per cent, and that it has gained about two percentage points of market share.

Honda eclipsed Chrysler in September – 77,229 to 62,197 – despite a year-on-year sales decline of 20 per cent. This brought the Japanese manufacturer within just 3000 units of overtaking the Fiat-controlled American company for fourth place year to date (1.183 million units v. 1.180 million).

Despite the red ink on the sales charts, US car industry executives believe better times lie ahead. They say the clunkers scheme, which offered incentives of up to $4500 on new-vehicle trades until September 24, drained stocks of key models.

Said GM’s US sales vice-president, Mark LaNeve: “Fortunately, the fourth quarter looks brighter, and our year-over-year comparisons should look brighter.”

Of the minor players in the US market, Subaru continued its good run, up one per cent in September and 10 per cent year to date, but fellow Japanese company Suzuki continued its run of outs, down 54 per cent in September and in line with its YTD decline of 55 per cent.