Right of way

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by fmc351

If the median was wide enough .

BUT it isn't so move on

FFS, it doesn't matter if YOU think it is 2 right turns, it is still a U turn, can't you understand that?

[Trevor 57]

I will concede that the only way one could argue a difference is if they have put a give way or stop sign on either side of the meridian strip and they are rare, but are out there, but my money is still on the U Turn legislation.

A U turn is a U turn.

[ebxr8240]

First you BOTH have to make sure no one has a collision !!!
No point powering on just because you have right of way...

[Trevor 57]

There is an old defensive driving saying that goes like this:

"The right of way is yours to give, not to take"

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by ebxr8240

First you BOTH have to make sure no one has a collision !!!
No point powering on just because you have right of way...

Yeah, well I was trying to avoid that, already totalled one Focus, no need to damage this one LOL.

Just curious as I never covered anythign like this in my test.

[xisled]

The picture changes everything. Car 2 would have right of way, as it would be seen as already established on the road even if doing a u turn. A u turn only needs to give way to the cars on the main road. As car 1 is in the left hand turning slip lane, Car 1 needs to stop and give way to all cars already established on the main road.

If you think about it, it is like an intersection with traffic lights. If you are in a slip lane waiting to turn left onto the road, you need to give way to all cars including cars turning from the traffic lights coming from the opposite direction.

[Franco Cozzo]

We both came out at the same time as we both seen the gap, so when I went all I seen was a gap, and cars in the middle there.

I guess I'm still at fault, I don't like that intersection, it gets stupidly busy, it needs lights or something. Its the main road for the Tullamarine industrial estate, theres a crapload of trucks/cars going down there and about 100m up the ring road entrance/exit is there.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by xisled

The picture changes everything. Car 2 would have right of way, as it would be seen as already established on the road even if doing a u turn. A u turn only needs to give way to the cars on the main road. As car 1 is in the left hand turning slip lane, Car 1 needs to stop and give way to all cars already established on the main road.

If you think about it, it is like an intersection with traffic lights. If you are in a slip lane waiting to turn left onto the road, you need to give way to all cars including cars turning from the traffic lights coming from the opposite direction.

Agreed 100%.

The island and slip lane make it clear.

As a side note, i dont know why people get into such arguments based on a poorly drawn version of an intersection, no offence to the OP intended.
It should be a pre requisite in these type of threads to include a link to a real life view of said intersection...

[Franco Cozzo]

Yes, my bad on that one lol.

[BENT_8]

All good mate!

Its the reason i kept my opinion withheld early on, i wanted to see the actual intersection as there can be many variables.

[vanman_75]

And this thread clearly outlines why we need same laws across Australia and updates of road rules in our yearly rego renewal . Was a good question , with my way of thinking I would have giving way to anyone on the main road and be done with it , but then I'm never in a hurry with so many links to the law and interpretations , it would be hard to swallow " at fault " if both drivers thought they weren't .

[EDManual]

the other bloke doing the u turn would be on the road before you, so he has the right of way.
He doesnt give way to you as he is first on the road. Thats what I reckon!

[SteveJH]

Originally Posted by Big Trev

It was wholly and soley designed to keep the flow of trams going, and it still achieves that result.

You would have noticed that trams run where-ever you are required to do a hook turn.

Think it might have been Elizabeth St? It was near the Markets.....

[vanman_75]

Double post

[Danny]

Yeah I agree with EDManual. If I was Big Damo, I'd have thought it correct to give way to any car entering the roadway before you (and therefore abiding the "give way to the right" rule).

In this case (even though the median gap is close to where car 1 is pulling out), Car 2 (theoretically) will make his turn and join the traffic flow which car 1 must give way to. If the gap in the median where 2 and 3 was further away from cars 1 and 4, it would be more easy to understand. The confusion here I think is caused by the proximity of the gap in the central median to where cars 1 and 4 are wanting to turn.

As a general rule I always give way to any median strip turning traffic SO LONG as that gap in the median strip is to my right. If the median strip is further down the road to my left, then I have the right of way.

[Silver Ghia]

Originally Posted by xisled

The picture changes everything. Car 2 would have right of way, as it would be seen as already established on the road even if doing a u turn. A u turn only needs to give way to the cars on the main road. As car 1 is in the left hand turning slip lane, Car 1 needs to stop and give way to all cars already established on the main road.

If you think about it, it is like an intersection with traffic lights. If you are in a slip lane waiting to turn left onto the road, you need to give way to all cars including cars turning from the traffic lights coming from the opposite direction.

Yes, the picture does change things, but to me its also to do with the timing. If Car 1 made the left turn first, and Car 2 then made the U-turn and nearly ran up the rear of Car 1 just to make a point as some drivers do. Probably need a video to get a conclusion to the original question in the thread, but there is also a rule not to run into the rear of anyone.

[Trevor 57]

Based on the original drawing I will still state that I was right, but now based on a more accurate picture I will change my call based on the information from the Victorian Road Rules (page 74)

This information comes from the section under the title "69 Giving way at a give way sign or give way line at an intersection (except a roundabout)"

It states:

(2) Unless the driver is turning left using a slip lane, the driver must give way to a vehicle in, entering or approaching the intersection except—
(a) an oncoming vehicle turning right at the intersection, if a stop sign, stop line, give way sign or give way line applies to the driver of the oncoming vehicle; or
(b) a vehicle turning left at the intersection using a slip lane; or
(c) a vehicle making a U-turn.

So in reality this means that because you are leaving a slip lane Big Damo, you must give way to the U turner