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31-01-2005, 04:14 PM | #1 | ||||
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31-01-2005, 04:17 PM | #2 | ||
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I would reckon it would already be here. Like most things ... once someone figures it can be done ... a billion copy cats move in.
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31-01-2005, 04:22 PM | #3 | |||
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31-01-2005, 04:29 PM | #4 | ||
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It's always the same. As soon as new technology is released, there are those out there who try to overcome it, and seem to succeed... Sad but true.
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There is no code system that cannot be cracked, and its always going to be a battle to stay 1 step ahead. Reading the article I dont see any widespread outbreak of code cracking, just that it has been proven possible.
The improvement we have seen with with smart-lock and smart-shield have been huge, they are not impossible to beat, but are just too difficult for all but the most determined. If researchers are cracking codes it usually means, developments will be soon made to close another loop-hole. The article mentions researchers rather than real world instances. i'd still recommend additional third party immobilisation devices, to supplement any factory system. You will never make anything totally secure without at least a moat & crocodiles. The secret is to make your car, home etc more difficult than the majority so theives try somewhere else. Working with weigand cards etc you soon realise the gaping holes in security are the people elements rather than the system technology. Whats the point of tibbe locks etc when car key are left in the ignition in the kitchen, on a kitchen key-tel all weekend, or on an office desktop for an entire day. As for RF security you only have to look at Wi-Fi to see rarely the available security is actually utilised. Either way it is an interesting article. |
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31-01-2005, 04:45 PM | #7 | ||
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most of the good quality diagnostic equipement (ie Snap On) can already to do it.. Our mechanic only needs to plug in his briefcase of goodies and within 3 minutes he has already 'cut' us a new key... I dont know the ins and out of the proceedure nor would I post it if I did, but it is a very fast process....
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31-01-2005, 04:56 PM | #8 | |||
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The thing is we hand over keys at all sorts of places , valet parking, tyre shops, lots more places than the Ford dealer. Quick question here, who has ever recoded their keyfob (as shown in the handbook) after other have had access to the car? Have access to the car and a key and your pretty much set to create a clone. |
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31-01-2005, 05:25 PM | #9 | ||
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id be more worried about being carjacked then i would about having my code stolen. At the end of the day, john Q thief finds it easier to stick a 45 in your face at the traffic lights then build his own data capture device.
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It's here, a local HSV dealer had a huge amount of cars being knocked off from their yard and new owners houses within month's of buying them. 1st time round the window tinting company was copying keys, then two young blokes that worked at the dealer were busted selling Programed keypad's & cut key's. Funny part is the cops couldn't explain how they were going missing, looked sus when both these blokes come to work the next week one with broken hands the other with a broken leg. They got greedy and ripped a bloke off they shouldn't have
Not sure how good the ford system is but iv'e only heard of a few Ba's walking and all 3 were taken with key's. HSV's on the other hand walk all the time. |
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31-01-2005, 05:38 PM | #12 | |||
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Plus they could even sell it on the internet if it was called something like "key backup software - incase you loose your keys and need to make a new set!" (going on that dvd/cd backup software)... that way it isnt illegal to sell the tools : :
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31-01-2005, 07:52 PM | #13 | ||
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i have heard of this before. however no matter what there is in the market there is someone already trying ot by pass it. nothing will stop car theives. if they really want your car they will get it. even if they have to resort to a tow truck.
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31-01-2005, 07:54 PM | #14 | ||||
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/me hopes the layer of filth on the Slothmobile™ will act as a thief deterrent!
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31-01-2005, 08:19 PM | #15 | ||
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To put it in perspective the tool my mechanic uses is hand held, about 1 and 1/2 times the size of an EFTPOS pin pad, it all folds neatly into a standard size briefcase and is alittle under $12000 complete with all the pin adapters for about 25 cars....
All he needs is access to the terminal inside the car which even when locked takes the whole of about 15 seconds to access. Now 12k is not much money when knocking off one car worth 50 grand is it? The best deterent we have in Australia is the database of VIN and engine numbers.. It makes selling 'hot' cars and parts so much harder.. The problem lies with your modifications. Engrave everything and register them at your local police station, in QLd anyhow they even loan you the engraving tool... Like Paul7v7 said there is really nothing you can do to stop a thief if he really wants something but aleast if you register and engrave everything should it ever turn up the police notify you
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Yes but you cant crack a tyre iron can you?
The tyre iron does the cracking!
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I like to have a physical prevention, such as a kill switch. Had this on my mums Suzuki Vitara soft top, which had several attempts by low life scum to take. Usually they got annoyed and left, once we caught a guy trying desperatly to start the car.
Its effective, but again, its crackable.
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There's some very smart and intelligent people out there, but there will always be a percentage who will use their powers for evil, rather than good! Some see it as a challenge, others for financial gain.
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Does quicktrac work on GPS? GPS is so easy to scramble I doubt a decent crook would care... We use 7 satellites just for Brisbane and the system can loose cars quite easily..
They would want to use some super boosters to pin point a car with GPS only
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I cant believe i am saying this but as the thieves move towards technology the old trusty "Club" lock will come back into its own
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GPS wont work in basement car parks, or some freeway tunnels and is dubious in the urban canyon environment. But a good system with fast establish GPS unit will still give lots of locations. The achilles heal of Quicktrac was it limited range it only barely covers some outer suburbs. Hybrid GPS/GSM-GPRS systems offer the best all over coverage. And if the system installed in a steathy manner there will be no knowledge of its existance or a rush to disable it. |
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