Jeep Plans Luxury Model to Target Mercedes SUVs, Range Rover

[sprintman1]

We used to feel sorry for Jeep owners we had as clients and looked after them parts wise. Jeep buyers now are from a different segment of society, more your 'Toorak Taxi' lot and far more female owners. More likely to be 'looked after' by the stealership than an independent. Deep pockets a mandatory requirement

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by sprintman1

Another muppet sucked in by paper figures. Ever heard of 'area under the curve'? No I guess not.

I take that back about the grunt (and economy)
http://www.caradvice.com.au/249408/u...swagen-amarok/

Its still the cheapest (which is a good thing) and its still very much irrelevant to this thread,
PS calm down a little, no need to get personal

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by sprintman1

Another muppet sucked in by paper figures. Ever heard of 'area under the curve'? No I guess not.

When these engines are out of puff at 4000 rpm, area under the curve is irrelevant, cause the curve is so damn small to start with. But that's pretty much the case with all diesels.

[sprintman1]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

I take that back about the grunt (and economy)
http://www.caradvice.com.au/249408/u...swagen-amarok/

Its still the cheapest (which is a good thing) and its still very much irrelevant to this thread,
PS calm down a little, no need to get personal

It isn't the cheapest. Triton and Navara are

[sprintman1]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

When these engines are out of pufd tows very well. f at 4000 rpm, area under the curve is irrelevant, cause the curve is so damn small to start with. But that's pretty much the case with all diesels.

Trucks are diesels for a good reason and the 4JJ1-TC engine is used in 5 ton trucks. In a D-MAX therefore it will damn near last forever and tows exceptionally well. Who wants/needs RPM?

[Kieron]

Originally Posted by cheap

Simply unlucky, misrepresents the facts, never happened to me. Take your pick with the excuses

http://www.recalls.gov.au/content/in.../itemId/952865

I know this is a big call, early into 2015 year, but I will go out on a limb, I think Jeep are on track to beat 2014's recall numbers.

Lets have a quick look at those 2015 figures -

Jeep
1. for the old model Grand Cherokee/early model WK, fair enough.
2. for the new Cherokee, fair enough
3. ancient model Cherokee/GC
4. Old Chrysler 300

So, one recall for current models.

Ford
1. Transit, fair enough
2. Fiesta, fair enough
3. FG Falcon/ Territory, fair enough

Two recalls for current models.

Holden
7 recalls so far, mostly for older models

Toyota have 4 this year.
Hyundai 3
Mercedes 5


There is no denying that in the past, Jeep have not done well but i'd suggest they are on the improve and will struggle to beat last years effort of 14 recalls (one of which is a vehicle not sold in Aust by them) given that they are now on par with other manufacturers 5 months into 2015...

[SumoDog68]

Originally Posted by sprintman1

It isn't the cheapest. Triton and Navara are

Navara is the most expensive in that review ( seems fair to pay 30% more for 30% more power and 50% more torque ) - as for DMax it is a good workhorse ute , basic and strong - perfect for a work ute.

[sprintman1]

Originally Posted by SumoDog68

Navara is the most expensive in that review - as for DMax it is a good workhorse ute , basic and strong - perfect for a work ute.

No idea what review you are talking about but a D-MAX isn't cheap, I know I was selling 'em! Tritons under $30k and D-MAX closer to $50K, quite a differential.

[SumoDog68]

Originally Posted by Kieron

Lets have a quick look at those 2015 figures -

Jeep
1. for the old model Grand Cherokee/early model WK, fair enough.
2. for the new Cherokee, fair enough
3. ancient model Cherokee/GC
4. Old Chrysler 300

So, one recall for current models.

Ford
1. Transit, fair enough
2. Fiesta, fair enough
3. FG Falcon/ Territory, fair enough

Two recalls for current models.

Holden
7 recalls so far, mostly for older models

Toyota have 4 this year.
Hyundai 3
Mercedes 5


There is no denying that in the past, Jeep have not done well but i'd suggest they are on the improve and will struggle to beat last years effort of 14 recalls (one of which is a vehicle not sold in Aust by them) given that they are now on par with other manufacturers 5 months into 2015...

Recalls are not measure of reliability - if your car leaks water or transmission overheats it is not a recall but it is still a hassle for the owner.
Recalls are a measure to correct safety faults that could possibly leave manufacturer open to lawsuits .

[sprintman1]

Originally Posted by SumoDog68

Recalls are not measure of reliability - if your car leaks water or transmission overheats it is not a recall but it is still a hassle for the owner.
Recalls are a measure to correct safety faults that could possibly leave manufacturer open to lawsuits .

This....

[cheap]

Originally Posted by Kieron

There is no denying that in the past, Jeep have not done well but i'd suggest they are on the improve and will struggle to beat last years effort of 14 recalls (one of which is a vehicle not sold in Aust by them) given that they are now on par with other manufacturers 5 months into 2015...

So now it is race to the bottom to see which manufacturer is worse than Jeep?

[Kieron]

Originally Posted by cheap

So now it is race to the bottom to see which manufacturer is worse than Jeep?

Sure, if that's the way YOU want to think. Others will logically see that Jeeps recall rate is dropping to the level of it's competitors. Point still stands though, the limb your on is rather thin...

@SumoDog68, agree mate. There are also issues that simply shouldn't be there but aren't subject to recalls. Close to our own hearts, rear diff bushes on BA onwards Falcons, brake shudder in Falcons for instance. I just find it incredible that some will happily buy a Falcon and defend it (myself included) but lay crap on other brands.

8,000 odd K's on my diesel GC so far and it has and will have some minor warranty items fixed (just like my last few new Falcons) as I consider myself a little more picky than most, if over the years I have anything major, i'll be sure to start a thread in this forum as well as Jeepgarage.

For any GC owners, here's a link to all TSB's/recalls -
http://www.wk2jeeps.com/wk2_tsb.htm

[XtRmn8]

Kieron, you speak too much sense

Your experience is much like mine it seems. I am at 15000kms now and had a few minor warranty related issue sorted at the 10k service and all relevant TSBs applied.

My only issue is that I am am putting to many kms on the GC, love driving the tank.

See you over at jeepgarage...

[Sabantien]

I looked at and drove a lot of cars after my old one was written off in a storm last year. There's one thing I found, whatever make, whatever model, all you'll hear from everyone you know, and on every forum, are horror stories. Based on that we should not own cars at all.

Anyhow, the Jeep I did take for a drive was an older one, but it still was a lot nicer than most other SUVs I looked at. It'll be interesting to see what they come up with for luxury.

[cheap]

Originally Posted by Kieron

Sure, if that's the way YOU want to think. Others will logically see that Jeeps recall rate is dropping to the level of it's competitors. Point still stands though, the limb your on is rather thin...

@SumoDog68, agree mate. There are also issues that simply shouldn't be there but aren't subject to recalls. Close to our own hearts, rear diff bushes on BA onwards Falcons, brake shudder in Falcons for instance. I just find it incredible that some will happily buy a Falcon and defend it (myself included) but lay crap on other brands.

8,000 odd K's on my diesel GC so far and it has and will have some minor warranty items fixed (just like my last few new Falcons) as I consider myself a little more picky than most, if over the years I have anything major, i'll be sure to start a thread in this forum as well as Jeepgarage.

For any GC owners, here's a link to all TSB's/recalls -
http://www.wk2jeeps.com/wk2_tsb.htm

Knock your socks off, obviously these people have got it all wrong too http://fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11435143

[chrisandsharon]

Gaawd.......in the news today -

http://m.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/...aign=editorial

[Grunter]

[new2ford]

I know everybody is having a field day here but I'm sure it'll all be a wake-up call to the company and a few years down the track they will produce good, reliable cars or else go under. Many manufacturers have been through this.

For them to get into my sights I'd like to see the poor interior space, weight and fuel economy improved. They fail on both design and reliability at the moment imho. A bit less American and a bit more European (not Fiat though!) in approach would do.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by chrisandsharon

Gaawd.......in the news today -

http://m.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/...aign=editorial

The Daily Telegraph LOL

[chrisandsharon]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

The Daily Telegraph LOL

Your point after reading the article?

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by chrisandsharon

Your point after reading the article?

The Daily Telegraph, like most English Tabloids is renown for sensationalising a story.
In the article they have listed a few trivial customer complaints where the customers have requested a refund of the vehicle.
the complaints are stretched across a range of vehicles.

point is if you did around for negatives, you will find plenty. you only need to read this forum to pick up worse complaints about our beloved Territory

[chrisandsharon]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

The Daily Telegraph, like most English Tabloids is renown for sensationalising a story.
In the article they have listed a few trivial customer complaints where the customers have requested a refund of the vehicle.
the complaints are stretched across a range of vehicles.

point is if you did around for negatives, you will find plenty. you only need to read this forum to pick up worse complaints about our beloved Territory

Trivial.....riiiiiight.

[Sprintey]

There was a time when they were the Quality Workshop of the world. The English were astounded to find that the Merlin V12s produced in the US (for, among other things, the P-51) had better tolerances and were better put together than their originals. In my trade 1960's US built Skil electric planers are held in some sort of awe. Generations of pilots remembered "If it's not a Boeing, I'm not going..."; the Iowa class battleships served 50 years+, which is remarkable for a metal floating structure. It's no coincidence the Aussie car industry flourished post war using American drivetrain technology - unbustable 9" diffs, Windsors, Chevs and inline 6's.

And then, what happened??

W.Edwards Deming took quality production to Japan, and the America of Harley Earl devolved into the FWD-large-car-producing, poor quality, shocking dynamics maker of the 80's onward.

Then in 1997 President Clinton signed the 'most favoured nation' agreement with China and what was left, was decimated.

It is still a pleasure to find quality American built tools and homewares (such as Pyrex, the Kirby vacuum cleaner, Lie-Nielsen hand tools) and I really hope they rediscover their former mantle.

If Jeep are making a Luxury model, target the reliability of the Landcruiser as well as the Luxury of the Merc or RR.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by chrisandsharon

Trivial.....riiiiiight.

yes my cars engine make s noise I want a refund

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by sprintman1

Trucks are diesels for a good reason and the 4JJ1-TC engine is used in 5 ton trucks. In a D-MAX therefore it will damn near last forever and tows exceptionally well. Who wants/needs RPM?

Yeah, gearing is a fantastic invention isn't it? Its still gutless.

Funny how we have an Isuzu salesman going into bat for their product, blinded by the pay cheque.

[chrisandsharon]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

In the article they have listed a few trivial customer complaints where the customers have requested a refund of the vehicle.

Best you read the article again and stick to the telegraph you laugh about.

[sprintman1]

Our horse trimmer trimmer turned up this arvo in his mums Pajero again. The Jeep was trucked from the South Coast to the ACT as nobody down there would touch it. Sensor problem, then starter motor, and on it goes and still broken. It would be funny if he wasn't such a top bloke but now just wants it running for immediate sale. Gotta love Jeep owners!

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by chrisandsharon

Best you read the article again and stick to the telegraph you laugh about.

Going in circles now, ..The end

[Kieron]

Originally Posted by cheap

Knock your socks off, obviously these people have got it all wrong too http://fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11435143

. Is that all you can come back with? You probably didn't even read it as you would have noticed I've posted in that thread too!!

Having said this, that thread has nothing to do with your '2014 claim'.

[buggerlugs]

A 12 year old boy was walking down the street when a car pulled up beside him and the window was wound down.
"I'll give you a bag of lollies if you get in the car" said the male driver.
"No way, get stuffed" replied the boy.
"How about a bag of lollies and $10.00 ?" asked the driver.
"No way" replied the irritated youngster.
"What about a bag of lollies and $50.00 eh ?" quizzed the driver, still rolling slowly to keep up with the walking boy.
"No, I'm not getting in the car !" answered the boy.
"Ok, I know what you want. I'll give you $100.00 and a bag of lollies" the driver offered.
"NO" screamed the boy.
"What will it take to get you in the car ?" asked the driver sighing.
The boy replied "Listen Dad , you bought a Jeep - you live with it"