Holden dump's Camaro for Ozz

[Moby Vic]

Originally Posted by AUwindsor

Reading a heap of replies on USA forums, new owners of Camaro not overall impressed with particularly the hefty weight of the Zeta platform.

The difference between American car manufacturers, is the americans somewhat listen to their customers feedback. The Australians in some of these companies have the "we'll build what we think is best and they'll buy anything" attitude. That attitude works short term.

The American manufacturers have bigger budgets, due to a much larger market. Ford of Australia and Holden have to get their budgets from the American headquarters. They've always had to cope with fewer resources. That's how subsidiaries work.

[fgpsi]

Haha that article says Holden has the Corvette up its sleeve

Hahahahaha

[Kieron]

Originally Posted by fgpsi

Haha that article says Holden has the Corvette up its sleeve

Hahahahaha

and it will stay up there ;)

So many reasons why it can't happen -

The 'Vette is exactly like the Mustang, an iconic brand in it's own right. No way will GM let it be badged as a Holden

No RHD.

A converted 'Vette would have to be done after-market by the likes of HSV, adding to the base cost, the thing will be upwards of $100K, out of reach of traditional Holden Commodore SS buyers. The Camaro would be the best candidate for this if anything!

[LeadFoot81]

It's quite ironic that after decades of staying true to the '(v8 powered) halo cars + motorsport sponsorship' ethos (that it shares with it's parent) Holden will be left without a RWD v8 halo model, while Ford Oz (for all it's inconsistency in terms of support from the US and it's own approach to the Aussie marketplace and it's fans) is gifted a rip snorter halo model in the new Mustang (V8 and 4-pot for those inclined)

[Dauphin]

Maybe Holden have another trick up their sleeve and something else will come along, or they are predicting the Mustang will not be around for long.

[LeadFoot81]

Maybe they have another trick...but i doubt it.

Even if they were banking on Mustang not being around for long it still doesn't change the fact that thirty odd years of HDT/HRT/SS/HSV etc lineage will be broken and with no (real) equivalent, most customers will be left with no Holden badged car to upgrade to.

[Struggo]

Here is a review for those whom are interested, http://www.autoguide.com/manufacture...ro-first-drive

[MickyB]

GM did register the name 'Monza' recently, but that will be a FWD coupe, not a big, banging v8 like the Camaro.

[Windsor220]

Weren't they supposed to be bringing something else here?

[Sprint XR8]

GM locks in Monza name for Australia
http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...257E51001AFFDA

[AUwindsor]

Originally Posted by Moby Vic

The American manufacturers have bigger budgets, due to a much larger market. Ford of Australia and Holden have to get their budgets from the American headquarters. They've always had to cope with fewer resources. That's how subsidiaries work.

Are you some kind of a shill for Ford OZ pretending to be American?

what you said is somewhat correct, but a little off topic to what I was trying to explain.

There are australians in many positions behind our large companies that don't understand how to listen to their customers. We are way behind the USA in that department.

I said back some years ago that the Mitsubishi Australia plant would close and become town houses.. and was laughed at by many. The former managing director of Mitsubishi OZ would speak of the new Magna VRX as if it's a supercar.. in his mind only. Customers are the ones buying, not the creators.

Too many Australians create their own reality in their mind based on what they want to be, not what actually is.. Actually LISTENING to and UNDERSTANDING what your customers WANT.

[Moby Vic]

Originally Posted by AUwindsor

Are you some kind of a shill for Ford OZ pretending to be American?

what you said is somewhat correct, but a little off topic to what I was trying to explain.

There are australians in many positions behind our large companies that don't understand how to listen to their customers. We are way behind the USA in that department.

I said back some years ago that the Mitsubishi Australia plant would close and become town houses.. and was laughed at by many. The former managing director of Mitsubishi OZ would speak of the new Magna VRX as if it's a supercar.. in his mind only. Customers are the ones buying, not the creators.

Too many Australians create their own reality in their mind based on what they want to be, not what actually is.. Actually LISTENING to and UNDERSTANDING what your customers WANT.

Nope, I'm American all the way. You can ask some members who have met me.

Trust me, American manufacturers don't listen to the customer, either.

[Brazen]

The first one who gets a big US pickup here will win

[XR5]

Originally Posted by Brazen

The first one who gets a big US pickup here will win

Exactly. Everyone says they are too big but once you get outside the city areas their size isn't relevant really. I know heaps of guys, myself included, who would buy one in a heartbeat but refuse to pay the ridiculous prices asked by the RHD conversion joints.

Ram, Tundra, F series, Silverado, whichever one gets here first factory RHD and priced to reflect that will sell well.