New Commodre will have battery in boot! - Page 3

HSE2 · 03-02-2006, 01:06 PM

March 2008 sound about right Chris?

henry 351 · 03-02-2006, 01:36 PM

A lot of euro manufacturers have used rear mount batteries for quite some time. It was explained to me by an ex Porsche/Mercedes mechanic that this is done for a couple of reasons:-
1. weight balance benefit
2. Cold. As you know, extreme cold reduces battery life. As most of Europe experiences snow at some time, by having the battery effectively inside the car, it protects it from the cold far more effectively than by being exposed to extreme cold in an engine bay.

Makes sense on both counts to me.

JPFS1 · 03-02-2006, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by HSE2

March 2008 sound about right Chris?

Yeah sounds about right Ian.

Not that i can say that with any authority. Just thinking about the timing cycle, it seems to fit. I'm sure we'll see an update to BF to handle VE, which i believe would be up to the task... then 1st qtr of '08 at the latest for all new model.

RPO83 · 03-02-2006, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by JEM

Yeah sounds about right Ian.

Not that i can say that with any authority. Just thinking about the timing cycle, it seems to fit. I'm sure we'll see an update to BF to handle VE, which i believe would be up to the task... then 1st qtr of '08 at the latest for all new model.

At the stage they are at now we may see it sooner than that, back on topic there was not an oversight on behalf of GM-H engineers regarding the battery.

JPFS1 · 03-02-2006, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by RPO83

At the stage they are at now we may see it sooner than that, back on topic there was not an oversight on behalf of GM-H engineers regarding the battery.

Hi RPO83

They may do - but there is a long way to go, there aren't any running cars yet and i don't feel that they'd get such a smooth run in design and development (never do) in which they could release early.

Anyway - we can hope they can pull it off earlier.

Jake F6 · 03-08-2006, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BLACK XR6-VCT

I won't give up my source, but apparently Holden stuffed up the
engine bay design, and the battery dosn't fit!!! So instead of costly
redesign they have opted for the easy way out - to shift the battery
to the boot!!! This will be rectified on the subsequent Commodore.

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Originally Posted by BJ

Bull S*&T. I have a friend who work's in the design department and that's the first he's heard of it.

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Originally Posted by BJ

Dose it really matter where the dam thing is. I have spoken to two of the design group and one of the engineers and none of them now anything about?? So who gave you this so called inside info??

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Originally Posted by BJ

V10 GTHO i must get one of those's.

Hey BJ!
How's it going mate??
How's your two best mates in the design group??

Owned !

http://carsguide.news.com.au/story/0...-21822,00.html

: ROFLMAO

shane 351 · 03-08-2006, 08:11 PM

hay howlett

shane 351 · 03-08-2006, 08:13 PM

:thebirds: :thebirds: :thebirds: :thebirds: :thebirds: :thebirds:

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Originally Posted by shane 351

hay howlett

Jake F6 · 03-08-2006, 08:16 PM

I just had to dig this up..... :king:

VSSII · 03-08-2006, 10:00 PM

The number 1 enemy of batteries is heat. This is what shortens their lifespan and hence the reason for many european cars having a "second" firewall the battery sits behind. Mercedes Benz (these guys make very few compromises!) have used boot mounted batteries for years. If it's in the boot it can be positioned much closer to the roadway and you're not restricted to the size of battery you want to use. Benz use N70Z size batteries in some models. For the uneducated they're bloody big batteries! With todays vehicles needing more and more juice this comes as no suprise to me.

smally289 · 04-08-2006, 12:42 AM

Dont be surprised when you see cars going to 36 volts in the not too distant future to help minimise the effects of voltage drop.

mickey t · 04-08-2006, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by RPO83

At the stage they are at now we may see it sooner than that, back on topic there was not an oversight on behalf of GM-H engineers regarding the battery.

Oh, yes there was.

a massive oversight. complete stuff up. Had several goes at getting it back in time for VE launch, to no avail.

which is why the thing will find its way beneath the bonnet in time for VEII...

Holden may not ever admit it publicly, but very, very senior personnel have admitted it to me privately. in hindsight, they even laughed, it seemed so amateurish.

there's even more to this story, too, but i can't tell you yet...

sorry. been in europe for too long and haven't been on the site for a while.

blackahcdx · 08-08-2006, 08:27 PM

LOL, what baloney :p

In the boot because as other people mentioned it helps with Heat issues (the worse enemy of Batteries) and also weight distrubution.

And there are charge poles under the bonnet if u need to jump start the car.

4Vman · 08-08-2006, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by mickey t

Oh, yes there was.

a massive oversight. complete stuff up. Had several goes at getting it back in time for VE launch, to no avail.

which is why the thing will find its way beneath the bonnet in time for VEII...

Holden may not ever admit it publicly, but very, very senior personnel have admitted it to me privately. in hindsight, they even laughed, it seemed so amateurish.

there's even more to this story, too, but i can't tell you yet...

sorry. been in europe for too long and haven't been on the site for a while.

As amazing as it sounds you are Correct.

Ive also heard it directly from a senior person at Holden too.

Holden wouldn't care less about battery life, in fact its in their interests for them to need replacement the day warranty runs out...

NC 5ltr · 08-08-2006, 08:48 PM

hope no one has thought of it....but what happens when your battery dies and you cant get into the boot???

Full Spectrum · 08-08-2006, 10:26 PM

Thats what keys are for

NC 5ltr · 08-08-2006, 10:44 PM

yeah....i knew that :togo:

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blackahcdx · 08-08-2006, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by NC 5ltr

hope no one has thought of it....but what happens when your battery dies and you cant get into the boot???

did u not read my post? :p

there are jump start charge posts under the bonnet

NC 5ltr · 08-08-2006, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by blackahcdx

did u not read my post? :p

there are jump start charge posts under the bonnet

no i didnt,i just jumped the gun with my bird brain question

blackahcdx · 08-08-2006, 11:35 PM

LMAO!

we all have brain farts from time to time

illusivedreams · 08-08-2006, 11:52 PM

Alot of the R33 GTST have the battery in the Boot...I use to work for an Importer....

:eclipsee_

Full Spectrum · 09-08-2006, 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by NC 5ltr

yeah....i knew that :togo:

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Actually it would be funny if it doesn't open this way anymore

I think your right i can't see a lock at the rear at all

So then you would hope there is a manual boot button in the glove box or something would be embarrassing

vztrt · 09-08-2006, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by illusivedreams

Alot of the R33 GTST have the battery in the Boot...I use to work for an Importer....

:eclipsee_

Yeah but Nissan did is deliberately. The VEII will have the battery back in the bonnet. They tried three times to get it in there but couldn't.

VSSII · 10-08-2006, 06:19 PM

Really.. so what. Calling this a stuff up is a bit rich! It's actually better positioned! If this is the biggest "stuff up" they made then i don't think too many people would be worried.

MYLO_XR6 · 10-08-2006, 06:26 PM

i saw the VE a couple days ago cruising in the city ... only thing is, it had CHEV badges on it!

Back end looked like a BA, overall, kinda ricy, dont like it

vztrt · 10-08-2006, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by VSSII

Really.. so what. Calling this a stuff up is a bit rich! It's actually better positioned! If this is the biggest "stuff up" they made then i don't think too many people would be worried.

Well it'll be pretty funny when the series two has it at the front again. Kinda like the VNS1 with the thermostat at the back of the car.

Bucknaked · 10-08-2006, 07:13 PM

Saw a car carrier today with 6 to 8 VE's. From the stocky model to the SS. First time in the flesh. They do remind me of a camry.

banarcus · 10-08-2006, 10:23 PM

I had special privelidges today and checked out a VE SS. The guys there were joking about me not being able to locate a battery until I opened that felt panel in the boot. There are special jumper terminals in the engine bay as mentioned. The interior is way ahead of the falcon now and its chalk and cheese with the old VY-VZ model too. Apart from the rear end, holden haven't done a bad job at all. There will be all these options including GTO pontiac looking stripes and colour co-ordinated dash lighting too. No BS as I have the brochures and stuff from holden to prove it. It's going to leave the current falcon for dead but maybe no near as much as the VT v EL.

ray38l · 11-08-2006, 11:20 AM

yeah i finally get to have a look at it today and maybe even get to drive it. havent heard anything bad yet and those stripes look good.

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