Hooning Punishment

[mytgxl]

Originally Posted by Readie9

Hooning in cars can endanger lives, thieving not so.

End of story.

Come break into my house & see if your life is not in danger!

[mcnews]

Originally Posted by Readie9

I enjoy hearing of hoons cars being crushed in front of them. Sadly, it doesn't happen enough. Why are the courts so lenient on these morons??

When they start crushing thieves hands then I might agree with you. But really crushing cars and such like is absolutely ridiculous and way beyond any reasonable penalty. The wowsers make me sick. Dropping a smoky is no big deal. I love almost everything about this country but the wowser element is getting way out of control and it needs to be stopped before we are not allowed to do anything.

[Bucknaked]

They need to give him back his car as a dozen coke cans.

[BHDOGS]

The pro hooning brigade are out in force on this thread and i have no issues with them doing burnouts and such on the streets go for your life if you car gets crush so be it you took the risk but dont bring your kids into it what is wrong with some people theyd be the first to jump up and down if someone was doing burnouts or donuts near there own children double standards is what sickens me

[AU Mont]

Originally Posted by mcnews

The wowsers make me sick. Dropping a smoky is no big deal. I love almost everything about this country but the wowser element is getting way out of control and it needs to be stopped before we are not allowed to do anything.

What do you suggest as an alternative then mate? Here, i'll save you the trouble and draft up a proposal for the pollies to consider.

Section 2a: Motorists are permitted perform random burnouts and/or full or partial doughnuts only if all the below apply

a) motorist feels that there is sufficient road space to perform the maneuver

b) driver of vehicle must be in their own opinion, totally awesome

c) other vehicles must know exactly what driver intends to do, and must give way to tank slapping vehicle

[mcnews]

A fine and points for being silly enough to get caught. There is no way a bit of wheelspin should attract a bigger penalty than failing to give way, going through a red light, causing an accident through lack of attention etc. etc.
You cause an accident that hurts someone and your car doesn't get crushed...

[AU Mont]

i guess thats the key word...... 'accident'

careless driving like drifting into the next lane or running red lights, not giving way etc is considered careless, yet somewhat accidental

whereas fishtailing up the road, or sitting on the brakes with full throttle is considered done on purpose with full intent !!

[mcnews]

Exactly, thus care and planning is taken for a deliberate act like a smoky and no damage is done. You do someone damage doing it then of course you are charged with causing GBH etc. Getting a bit loose from a deserted intersection is in now way remotely dangerous or deserving of any significant penalty.

You too stupid to pay attention and cause accidents you somehow not as worthy of draconian penalties..... Now that is just silly.

What a crock. Don't swallow the propaganda pedalled by wowsers and the self perpetuating road safety industry.

It is an industry I assure you, full of academics that depend on funding from government bodies and thus say what ever they think the government (their funders) want to hear. I have seen first hand the gravy train they are on, flights/hotels/footy tickets etc. while swanning around the country to various conferences. Same faces every time etc. saying the same things... It is an industry, make no mistake.

An industry achieving nothing. All reductions in trauma achieved in recent times are due to better inherent safety in the cars we drive protecting us from trauma (bags and the like), better brakes and tyres etc. Not because some poor soul lost his car for doing a little skid.

[pottery beige]

wowser so many in this thread never driven anything with a serious bit of go...

[Falconxf88]

Mcnews, you can have all my internets.

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by Readie9

Hooning in cars can endanger lives, thieving not so.

End of story.

Bahhaahah
Yeah startle a thief at 2am while he is taking your stuff and see how that ends.

Any thief is worse then average people slightly breaking the speed limit.

END of story because I said so.

[pottery beige]

for once im agreeing with trev.. some here need to learn some car control skills.. they just could save your life.. a little skid aint the end of the world ...

[tex]

The court heard Scheibel's black Holden sedan revved excessively, before flipping around in a 180-degree manoeuvre and facing back in the direction from which it came.

Isn't that called a U turn?

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[grandpa_spec_F6]

Originally Posted by tex

Isn't that called a U turn?

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[Readie9]

This thread is not about punishing "a small skid" or "slightly breaking the speed limit". Its about those who blatantly break the law by doing fishtails and burnouts and dragging on public roads, putting innocent lives and property at risk. There is a HUGE difference.

[Readie9]

Originally Posted by mytgxl

Come break into my house & see if your life is not in danger!

Let me rephrase this............

Hooning endangers OTHERS lives, thieving not so.

If you want to break into a house, the risk is all yours.

[cs123]

People are forgetting this guy has form. He didn't get community service for this one event in isolation.

I am no angel, and also think "hoon" laws are knee jerk nanny state garbage, but if you get busted often enough you have to expect some punishment.

BTW, doing this with your 2 yo in the car is retarded.

[PridenJoy]

Originally Posted by AU Mont

i guess thats the key word...... 'accident'

careless driving like drifting into the next lane or running red lights, not giving way etc is considered careless, yet somewhat accidental

whereas fishtailing up the road, or sitting on the brakes with full throttle is considered done on purpose with full intent !!

Running red lights is an accident?

What do you think the chances are of killing someone by running a red light vs doing a skid?

[AU Mont]

Originally Posted by PridenJoy

Running red lights is an accident?

What do you think the chances are of killing someone by running a red light vs doing a skid?

my answer would be as infinite as your question so why bother

you want to do a burnout past my house, you will have a brick thrown at your car

kapeesh

[medz84]

hooning laws are absolute rubbish!! beleive me i have had my car impounded and it made me realise how bad the laws really are!!

people that have 'accidents' are no better then what most of you guys call 'hoons'

[Falconxf88]

Lucky the police caught you, otherwise you would have killed about 9 people!

[mcnews]

Be lucky if it was only 9!

[Jim Goose]

Originally Posted by medz84

hooning laws are absolute rubbish!! beleive me i have had my car impounded and it made me realise how bad the laws really are!!

people that have 'accidents' are no better then what most of you guys call 'hoons'

I really dont follow the logic?

Are you saying an accident as opposed to a deliberate act is the same?
Some people are incredibly poor drivers and will always get themselves into trouble.... how ever if your silly enough to do burn outs on the road, street race, etc etc then what do you expect? sympathy?

There is a time and place for everything... the idiot in the article not only was hooning, but had his toodler in the car (and this isnt the first time a parent male or female has been caught doing this sort of stupidity).

If you have no where to go to do burnouts, form a lobby group, get a government grant (AND YES THEY WILL GIVE YOU MONEY if your case is strong enough) and build a track and burnout pad etc etc...

And no im no I wasnt a saint when I was younger, but people need to be wary of what the greater community see as annoying and stupid behavour being carried out on the streets.

How many out there have lost control and run their cars into fences? houses? the gutter? over confidence in ones ability is what kills people

[medz84]

Originally Posted by Jim Goose

I really dont follow the logic?

Are you saying an accident as opposed to a deliberate act is the same?
Some people are incredibly poor drivers and will always get themselves into trouble.... how ever if your silly enough to do burn outs on the road, street race, etc etc then what do you expect? sympathy?

There is a time and place for everything... the idiot in the article not only was hooning, but had his toodler in the car (and this isnt the first time a parent male or female has been caught doing this sort of stupidity).

If you have no where to go to do burnouts, form a lobby group, get a government grant (AND YES THEY WILL GIVE YOU MONEY if your case is strong enough) and build a track and burnout pad etc etc...

And no im no I wasnt a saint when I was younger, but people need to be wary of what the greater community see as annoying and stupid behavour being carried out on the streets.

How many out there have lost control and run their cars into fences? houses? the gutter? over confidence in ones ability is what kills people

im saying using the road is pretty basic stuff, you stop at a stop sign you give way at a give way sign if you use the road properly then there would never be any 'accidents' crashes are because drivers have failed
may be because the driver was looking at the cd player or navman and rear ended the car at a dead stop 20m in front of them
it may be the driver that worked a 10hr day and has to travel 2 hours to get home and comes off the road due to fatigue
it also may be the driver doing the exact speed limit in pouring rain around a blind corner and losing control
all these drivers are actually worse then what you call hoons due to the fact that these crashes happen way to often

the people that do burnouts in built up areas are a very very small percentage (if someone has statistics on deaths/injuries on this small percentage would be happy to hear)
and yes they are the hoons IMO

this post is more pointed at the people that just beleive the dribble that aca and all the other media that dribbles into there bored brains!!

and as for my car getting inpounded under the hoon legislation,
long story made short i had a vn ss mildly modified and had a dispute with a mates mother in-law and she decided to throw a brick at my car as i was driving off, i got home to be told that the coppers are after me and they wanna take my car , cops came told me to drive to the impound yard along with my mates car (was in his garage) otherwise we would be arrested, car was impounded for 3 months and court took longer then 3 months lost 900 dollars and had no car for that long
police had no proof and the woman that thru the brick got her friends to make fake statments ( 4 statements which they later withdrew)
police talked to me and my mate like we were criminals even when we won the court case,
we were alleged that we were street racing (clearly not!!)

just shows how bad these laws are (anyone see the aca show the other day when the guy got labelled being a hoon for doing burnouts on his own property then used a similar car drifting a roundabout from another state and pinned it on the same guy??) this is the sort of rubbish that people are being fed and beleiving

i hope what i have written has made sense!!
basically saying hoon punishment laws are terrible and making a point that the guy doing nuts in whoop whoop is no worse then the number of terrible drivers that drive from A to B

funny thing is the 'hoon' driver could most likely respond better in an emergency situation!!

[flappist]

Originally Posted by medz84

im saying using the road is pretty basic stuff, you stop at a stop sign you give way at a give way sign if you use the road properly then there would never be any 'accidents' crashes are because drivers have failed
may be because the driver was looking at the cd player or navman and rear ended the car at a dead stop 20m in front of them
it may be the driver that worked a 10hr day and has to travel 2 hours to get home and comes off the road due to fatigue
it also may be the driver doing the exact speed limit in pouring rain around a blind corner and losing control
all these drivers are actually worse then what you call hoons due to the fact that these crashes happen way to often

the people that do burnouts in built up areas are a very very small percentage (if someone has statistics on deaths/injuries on this small percentage would be happy to hear)
and yes they are the hoons IMO

this post is more pointed at the people that just beleive the dribble that aca and all the other media that dribbles into there bored brains!!

and as for my car getting inpounded under the hoon legislation,
long story made short i had a vn ss mildly modified and had a dispute with a mates mother in-law and she decided to throw a brick at my car as i was driving off, i got home to be told that the coppers are after me and they wanna take my car , cops came told me to drive to the impound yard along with my mates car (was in his garage) otherwise we would be arrested, car was impounded for 3 months and court took longer then 3 months lost 900 dollars and had no car for that long
police had no proof and the woman that thru the brick got her friends to make fake statments ( 4 statements which they later withdrew)
police talked to me and my mate like we were criminals even when we won the court case,
we were alleged that we were street racing (clearly not!!)

just shows how bad these laws are (anyone see the aca show the other day when the guy got labelled being a hoon for doing burnouts on his own property then used a similar car drifting a roundabout from another state and pinned it on the same guy??) this is the sort of rubbish that people are being fed and beleiving

i hope what i have written has made sense!!
basically saying hoon punishment laws are terrible and making a point that the guy doing nuts in whoop whoop is no worse then the number of terrible drivers that drive from A to B

funny thing is the 'hoon' driver could most likely respond better in an emergency situation!!

Without doubt one of the most naive posts I have ever read.

ALL crashes are caused by driver inattention?

So tyres never burst, trees do not fall on roads, animals do not run out onto roads, steering components never fail, road surfaces never fail........

[mcnews]

Originally Posted by Jim Goose

How many out there have lost control and run their cars into fences? houses? the gutter? over confidence in ones ability is what kills people

Morons not paying attention is what kills people.

And with the hoon laws, and most of the draconian laws introduced in recent years, the burden of proof that they didn't do it seems to fall on the alleged rather than the burden of proof residing with the police. It is guilty until proven innocent, and the laws are constructed to make proving your innocence almost impossible. This is police state stuff and the thin end of the wedge.

[medz84]

Originally Posted by flappist

Without doubt one of the most naive posts I have ever read.

ALL crashes are caused by driver inattention?

So tyres never burst, trees do not fall on roads, animals do not run out onto roads, steering components never fail, road surfaces never fail........

all those points mostly come under driver control, if the road is gravel or full of defects slow up, unless the tree falls directly on you then you should drive at a safe distance where you can see in front of you (yet again driver control) which is how you should drive everyday!! steering components should never fail on a roadworthy car!!

may be naive but thats just the way it is

[flappist]

Originally Posted by medz84

all those points mostly come under driver control, if the road is gravel or full of defects slow up, unless the tree falls directly on you then you should drive at a safe distance where you can see in front of you (yet again driver control) which is how you should drive everyday!! steering components should never fail on a roadworthy car!!

may be naive but thats just the way it is

Should, should, should......shame the real world never follows theories.....

[Jim Goose]

Originally Posted by mcnews

And with the hoon laws, and most of the draconian laws introduced in recent years, the burden of proof that they didn't do it seems to fall on the alleged rather than the burden of proof residing with the police. It is guilty until proven innocent, and the laws are constructed to make proving your innocence almost impossible. This is police state stuff and the thin end of the wedge.

I agree with this part of your statement.

The disparity between drink driving for instance and "hooning" punishments certainly are miles apart.

I would prefer that repeat drinking driving offenders also have their cars taken away and sold at auction. The number of times you read about drink drivers who are caught 2 or 3 times in one night seems to be a lot.
In the good old days you were sent to the lock up for the night to sober up (or in small towns Police would actully follow you/ take you home!!), now your let go, told to walk home or grab a taxi. So the driver then comes back 30mins later gets the car and drives off and get done again, only to be released yet again.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by Jim Goose

I agree with this part of your statement.

The disparity between drink driving for instance and "hooning" punishments certainly are miles apart.

I would prefer that repeat drinking driving offenders also have their cars taken away and sold at auction. The number of times you read about drink drivers who are caught 2 or 3 times in one night seems to be a lot.
In the good old days you were sent to the lock up for the night to sober up (or in small towns Police would actully follow you/ take you home!!), now your let go, told to walk home or grab a taxi. So the driver then comes back 30mins later gets the car and drives off and get done again, only to be released yet again.

We had a clever one like that here.
Got rolled for 0.11.
Walked back to car.
Got rolled again for 0.12.
THEN drove to court, lost license for 2 years and tried to drive home PAST the Police station.......but they were waiting for him.

The problem with drink drivers is they are spread throughout the community at large being young, old, male, female, rich, poor, and whatever else whereas the vast majority of "hoons" are young males.

It is easy to vilify a group if you do not belong to it and as the majority of Australians drink vilifying drinkers i.e the majority of Australians will end up in a massive political backlash.

Now I am sure someone is going to come up with "but the majority of Australians do not drink drive".

This is not absolutely true.

If you drink at all then there will be times when your BAC is over 0.05. The story that if you wait 12 hours you are ok is not 100% true. I have personally done a breath test almost 18 hours after I stopped drinking as was still over 0.05 (I have access to the official equipment, I was not driving).

Some people go over 0.05 after 1 drink, others take 3 or 4, it is almost a lottery. Publicly vilifying Grandma for have a Sherry with the girls after bingo or a tradie for having a couple of light beers with the boys at a roof wetting will end in tears.

You may agree or disagree with this but unfortunately that is the way it is and while human run the world we are going to act like humans.......