Holden boss resigns - another one - Page 2

XBGTFGGTP · 29-10-2014, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MethodX

GM is still GM

Like a crappy thai or chinese built ford is still a ford.

Going by GM's recall rate worldwide, who's producing crap?

MethodX · 29-10-2014, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by XBGTFGGTP

Going by GM's recall rate worldwide, who's producing crap?

All companies...

burnz · 29-10-2014, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by XBGTFGGTP

Going by GM's recall rate worldwide, who's producing crap?

a recall is proactive,
when crap isn't recalled that's when you should worry.

1TUFFUTE · 29-10-2014, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by MethodX

GM is still GM

Like a crappy thai or chinese built ford is still a ford.

Are you talking about the line up of 'global fords' that have received applause in almost every segment worldwide, like the fiesta, focus, mustang,ranger and even the ftrucks?
Or are you talking about the cheap Asian crap that simply never rates a mention, but still gets a Holden badge on it. Plenty of those......

My view is he was sacked.....the recent turnover rate in that position, the future looking bumpy and zero glowing praise for a guy with a job well done but moving on to bigger and better things! Yeah he was sacked.....

Bossxr8 · 29-10-2014, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by burnz

a recall is proactive,
when crap isn't recalled that's when you should worry.

Like when GM failed to announce the ignition switch recall for over 10 years, resulting in the deaths of 22 people at last count, with more expected?

MethodX · 29-10-2014, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Like when GM failed to announce the ignition switch recall for over 10 years, resulting in the deaths of 22 people at last count, with more expected?

Like toyletas ones, and Fords famous Pinto..
They have all done it.

mik · 29-10-2014, 09:29 PM

yes they have probably all done it, some seem to do it a lot more often though, one has to question why is x more than y, but i was never any good at maths so i`ll defer.

MethodX · 29-10-2014, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

Are you talking about the line up of 'global fords' that have received applause in almost every segment worldwide, like the fiesta, focus, mustang,ranger and even the ftrucks?
Or are you talking about the cheap Asian crap that simply never rates a mention, but still gets a Holden badge on it. Plenty of those......

My view is he was sacked.....the recent turnover rate in that position, the future looking bumpy and zero glowing praise for a guy with a job well done but moving on to bigger and better things! Yeah he was sacked.....

Yeah those great fords that don't sell...
Production moving to spain, factories in Belgium and Germany closing.

flooded one · 29-10-2014, 10:18 PM

actually XBGTFGTP does have a point.

I went through the Australian vehicle recall list for this year and Holden leads the charge with 7 recalls for its VE/VF Commodore, WM,WN Caprice and JG/JF Cruise

Ford have 1 recall so far for its FG series 2 Eco Lpi

Toyota have none for any Australian built Toyotas this year

While yes a recall does give owners peace of mind, it can also give a bad image for a company. Its a 2 way street.

Dr Smith · 29-10-2014, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MethodX

Yeah those great fords that don't sell...
Production moving to spain, factories in Belgium and Germany closing.

As compared to all those big selling GM products that couldn't stop Chapter11 Bankruptcy and US government buyout, and how many plants shut down...

MethodX · 29-10-2014, 10:38 PM

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As compared to all those big selling GM products that couldn't stop Chapter11 Bankruptcy and US government buyout, and how many plants shut down...

Did I mention Fords uk plant too... ciao.
Gm are selling well now... Opel is making a nice come back in Europe. Whilst Ford isn't... a bit of poetic justice for some on here perhaps.

flooded one · 29-10-2014, 10:42 PM

I wouldn't worry to much. I cant see Holden surviving after 2017. the big thing will be can the Opel Commodore win the buyers over. I cant see it happening to be honest,

MethodX · 29-10-2014, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by wildrider

I wouldn't worry to much. I cant see Holden surviving after 2017. the big thing will be can the Opel Commodore win the buyers over. I cant see it happening to be honest,

Probably.
What opel commodore? you mean the Insignia? Its a nice car but fwd.

flooded one · 29-10-2014, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MethodX

Probably.
What opel commodore? you mean the Insignia? Its a nice car but fwd.

that would be the one. it actually doesn't look to bad. I'm not worried about it being FWD but I think that is what will put people off it. If say the Captiva was in the top ten Vehicles sold. I'd say Holden would be safe. you never know people might flock to the Insignia??? 2017 is a bit away yet

Dr Smith · 29-10-2014, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MethodX

Did I mention Fords uk plant too... ciao.
Gm are selling well now... Opel is making a nice come back in Europe. Whilst Ford isn't... a bit of poetic justice for some on here perhaps.

Why don't you find out how many each company closed down since 2008 and then tell us about justice.

MethodX · 29-10-2014, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Smith

Why don't you find out how many each company closed down since 2008 and then tell us about justice.

Why? when I can always mention the ppg.

1TUFFUTE · 30-10-2014, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by MethodX

Yeah those great fords that don't sell...
Production moving to spain, factories in Belgium and Germany closing.

Oh i didn't think this thread was about ford not selling cars.

I'd imagine all that factory movement is one of the reasons why ford didn't have to go bankrupt. And a continued effort not too in the future!

Maybe Opel will sell well the second time around.....as long as the customers aren't scared off from the last epic fail in aus! Maybe that's why old mate quit Holden.....he saw what was coming!

1TUFFUTE · 30-10-2014, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by wildrider

actually XBGTFGTP does have a point.

I went through the Australian vehicle recall list for this year and Holden leads the charge with 7 recalls for its VE/VF Commodore, WM,WN Caprice and JG/JF Cruise

Ford have 1 recall so far for its FG series 2 Eco Lpi

Toyota have none for any Australian built Toyotas this year

While yes a recall does give owners peace of mind, it can also give a bad image for a company. Its a 2 way street.

Was wondering, for the ford bashers around here........what's the 6 or7 recall items that the FG is not being recalled for. I mean commadore has 7......yet all that gets brought up everytime this topic pops up is, "oh but at least they do the recalls...instead of hiding it!"
There's another reason why old mate probably left......

MethodX · 30-10-2014, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

Was wondering, for the ford bashers around here........what's the 6 or7 recall items that the FG is not being recalled for. I mean commadore has 7......yet all that gets brought up everytime this topic pops up is, "oh but at least they do the recalls...instead of hiding it!"
There's another reason why old mate probably left......

The FG is older than moses.... what is there to go wrong on it?

Dr Smith · 30-10-2014, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by MethodX

The FG is older than moses.... what is there to go wrong on it?

Whenever I go fishing I throw the small ones back...

Nikked · 30-10-2014, 07:28 AM

Keep in mind, a recall might no be because of the vehicle manufacturer its self, rather problems with parts supplied during manufacture, something that can effect a number of makes. A key example being the sunroof glass that effected BA-BF falcons and VX-VZ commy's.

MAD · 30-10-2014, 08:49 AM

I don't know if it's changed but it used to be that if the manufacturer found the defect without external influence, it was voluntary to notify the public.
If the defect is found by another body then it is mandatory.

....or something like that.

vztrt · 30-10-2014, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Nikked

Some even stick chevy badges on there "holdens"...

Some?
If Holden renamed themselves Chev there wouldn't need a lot of changing badges....I've started seeing Chev badges on Cruises now.

Cashie · 30-10-2014, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by MAD

I don't know if it's changed but it used to be that if the manufacturer found the defect without external influence, it was voluntary to notify the public.
If the defect is found by another body then it is mandatory.

....or something like that.

Not if its safety related.

I also think that media release hints that he was asked to leave.

Bossxr8 · 30-10-2014, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MethodX

Did I mention Fords uk plant too... ciao.
Gm are selling well now... Opel is making a nice come back in Europe. Whilst Ford isn't... a bit of poetic justice for some on here perhaps.

Now I know your talking rubbish. Opal are still loosing money and dragging down GM. Been a very long time since they made a profit.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/...erly/17732403/

1TUFFUTE · 30-10-2014, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Now I know your talking rubbish. Opal are still loosing money and dragging down GM. Been a very long time since they made a profit.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/...erly/17732403/

75 recalls this year over 30millin cars WOW. I didn't realize it was that bad! They probably would have done well if it hadn't been for all those recalls. That's gotta be a PR nightmare.
So is that 75 recalls PLUS the stuff they didn't have to publicize

I'm sure the Holden lovers on here will pipe in soon and make it all look rosy tho......