Buying a new Ford daily?

[fiestaz]

Originally Posted by prktkljokr

The luxury Euro cars crap all over what most mainstream manufacturers offer.

Top of the range Escape is nearly $60,000, similar sized in Euro cars, Mercedes A class starts at $51,000, 1 series BMW is under $50,000, both very nice cars, apart from Brand loyalty why would you buy a Escape over a Mercedes or BMW

I purchased a C200 for the wife about 5 years ago, she still hasn't stopped smiling

If you were after a mid size SUV why would you want a small hatchback instead from merc or bmw? The comparison makes zero sense.

And if you follow mainstream manufacturers, you might realise the gap has closed quite a lot.

[prktkljokr]

Originally Posted by fiestaz

If you were after a mid size SUV why would you want a small hatchback instead from merc or bmw? The comparison makes zero sense.

And if you follow mainstream manufacturers, you might realise the gap has closed quite a lot.

Actually we were just after a car, we sampled plenty of cars in our price range and below, the Euros I am afraid are the better choice, Plus we purchased a Sedan not a hatchback.

Its a personal choice, It may not make sense to you, but it did to me.

Mainstream offer plenty of choice, but bang for buck and overall level of finish and feel the Euros for us were perfect, whereas the mainstream are a little behind and very plastic.

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by zilo

car for my wife..needs to carry dogs and be easy to park etc

so whilst others go back and forth over types/brands etc what are your or wife's pref's zilo ?
Surely you have some choice's under consideration put em up.

[kevino]

Barra240t

Being a dealer employee is there a Ford that caters specifically for three dogs and a wife?

Or do you thing maybe a twin turbo v8 Merc g wagon might be the go?

[Charliewool]

Would you settle for a convertible for wife and TWO dogs?
(Big 2nd dog though, so could fit 3 smaller?)



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[raised by monkeys]

Looking at options for my wife/family vehicle. We live somewhat regionally, tow a caravan every now and then, and also although not a lot sometimes offroad i.e sandhills or beach. We have used a my10 SR5 auto which has been amazing, but the time to offload it draws near as it nears 300k kms + wear and tear. We have 2 skids, and currently one dog (previosly 2 - RIP Leo) and heavier malter/s, and will likely get dogs in the future. Therefore Hilux has been the best choice. Other options?

I like the idea of a puma or everest but my wife isnt good at keeping cars clean. Mid range $$ but since COIVD them 2nd hand 4wds go fo big $$ especially with options

[kevino]

Originally Posted by fiestaz

If you were after a mid size SUV why would you want a small hatchback instead from merc or bmw? The comparison makes zero sense.

And if you follow mainstream manufacturers, you might realise the gap has closed quite a lot.

Actually I think what happened with Ford of Europe is that Merc and Bmw decided to full range their cars bringing out smaller cars just above Fords small car range. How has Ford responded. Its killed off Focus and Fiesta as people moved on in some cases to Name Euro s.
Merc and Bmw ate Fords lunch.

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by kevino

Actually I think what happened with Ford of Europe is that Merc and Bmw decided to full range their cars bringing out smaller cars just above Fords small car range. How has Ford responded. Its killed off Focus and Fiesta as people moved on in some cases to Name Euro s.
Merc and Bmw ate Fords lunch.

a pretty good point that.
Once upon a time the Euros had NO small models now look at them.
Hatchbacks/small sedans/small SUV's and mid sizes - they have picked up where others left off ie Ford.
I've mentioned before why is the toy crowd so strong despite all the wrongs and not like they used to be.....Range.
The euro's have good range as well whereas the yanki doodle Blue collar company has shrinked.
Not just them but seems all merican companies withdrew/or lets say retreat more and more from everywhere else but focus on Nth Merica.

How good we're the last Focus/Fiesta models, a sector that is massive yet the japs/koreans/euros keep pulling numbers and Ford couldn't keep in any fight.
The small/mid SUV sectors, again just no where.
Its very sad - since FGX I have not gone to a Ford to date.

[kevino]

Hold the phone!!

Ford of Europe has released Foe Ford Explorer Electric based on Vw meb platform

Shiver my Timbers looks good 4.5 m long not related to Us explorer

And electric Puma next year

Oh

Ford Australia have no plans for New Foe Explorer

New sticker pack for Ranger coming up

[fgpsi]

Just get an au

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by asagaai

Or get the latest Ford Fiesta ST - the 1.5 litre turbo pulls very well on highway. Sits solidly and planted on road like a much larger car, but pulls hard and if our laws allowed it- I would happily cruise for hours on end at 180 kph and feel safe and comfortable doing it on smoother roadways.

Except they don't sell it or the Focus ST in Australia anymore,

Old man is looking at WRX/i30N as replacement for his WZ Fiesta ST.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by kevino

Hold the phone!!

Ford of Europe has released Foe Ford Explorer Electric based on Vw meb platform

Shiver my Timbers looks good 4.5 m long not related to Us explorer

And electric Puma next year

Oh

Ford Australia have no plans for New Foe Explorer

New sticker pack for Ranger coming up

Thanks Kevino,

In case anyone wants to read more:
https://media.ford.com/content/fordm...in-europe.html
I find it odd they have used the same name as an existing production vehicle which iirc is still sold in Europe in it's PHEV version...although sales are tiny.

[UTXR8]

we are about to trade our 2016 VW Jetta....bought new...7 speed auto...1.4 TSI....BEST car we ever bought, by a country mile

[zilo]

Originally Posted by FTE217

so whilst others go back and forth over types/brands etc what are your or wife's pref's zilo ?
Surely you have some choice's under consideration put em up.

So far, taking into account flexibility,size, number of cup holders (eek), and all the other stuff women like...and taking into account the way rechnology works, it seems that the Tesla model X would fit the bill.

So she wants the feel good electric experience, or hybrid.

But...she hates the stupid doors on it...and so do I.

Trading in a C250 wagon with all the AMG stuff on it btw...but we have had fun with the diesel thingey and are over it.

[kevino]

Latest X Trail from Nissan petrol electric hybrid getting very good reviews.

Ford Escape PHEV but not sure on cup holders/think the Nissan would floor Ford on that one.

Tesla model Y.

That Audi E tron but getting some poor reliability reviews in US.

Merc electric SUV.

Too much choice at $ end of market.

[hackney]

Originally Posted by kevino

Latest X Trail from Nissan petrol electric hybrid getting very good reviews.

Ford Escape PHEV but not sure on cup holders/think the Nissan would floor Ford on that one.

Tesla model Y.

That Audi E tron but getting some poor reliability reviews in US.

Merc electric SUV.

Too much choice at $ end of market.

The X-Trail with this ‘E power’ is not that economical, you are far better going full Hybrid. Bit of a gimmick in my op.

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by zilo

So far, taking into account flexibility,size, number of cup holders (eek), and all the other stuff women like...and taking into account the way rechnology works, it seems that the Tesla model X would fit the bill.

So she wants the feel good electric experience, or hybrid.

But...she hates the stupid doors on it...and so do I.

Trading in a C250 wagon with all the AMG stuff on it btw...but we have had fun with the diesel thingey and are over it.

yer the amg wagons are rippa vehicles, https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/det...3794088/?Cr=75

Sounds like its the happy wife happy life route, E stuff just doesn't tick me nor my wife thankfully at this stage but suggestions looking at the Volvo E SUV.

[kevino]

Originally Posted by hackney

The X-Trail with this ‘E power’ is not that economical, you are far better going full Hybrid. Bit of a gimmick in my op.

You may be right but apparently it drives extremely well according to reviews.

[hackney]

Originally Posted by kevino

You may be right but apparently it drives extremely well according to reviews.

Sure(& I have read the reviews) but the ‘Hybrid’ system( which is not a ‘proper’ hybrid) just does not cut it against a full Hybrid system.A diesel will get better economy.There are quite a few articles about this particular set up.I was interested in the E-Power Qashqai, but after researching them, decided to go full Hybrid.

[SumoDog68]

Originally Posted by kevino

Latest X Trail from Nissan petrol electric hybrid getting very good reviews.

Ford Escape PHEV but not sure on cup holders/think the Nissan would floor Ford on that one.

Tesla model Y.

That Audi E tron but getting some poor reliability reviews in US.

Merc electric SUV.

Too much choice at $ end of market.

Reviews mean nothing when reviewers are paid by advertising budgets of reviewed items manufacturers. X Trail is series hybrid , engine is not connected to the driven wheels , engine acts as a generator. So it is an EV with a small battery and onboard generator. Either get a proper EV or conventional ICE , series hybrid has disadvantages of both. Parallel hybrid significantly reduces fuel use by EV boosting in area of high fuel use (slow stop start pattern) so if it has to be a hybrid it is probably the best option .

[hackney]

Originally Posted by SumoDog68

Reviews mean nothing when reviewers are paid by advertising budgets of reviewed items manufacturers. X Trail is series hybrid , engine is not connected to the driven wheels , engine acts as a generator. So it is an EV with a small battery and onboard generator. Either get a proper EV or conventional ICE , series hybrid has disadvantages of both. Parallel hybrid significantly reduces fuel use by EV boosting in area of high fuel use (slow stop start pattern) so if it has to be a hybrid it is probably the best option .

Yup, correct on the Nissan setup.Honda & Toyota have the best Hybrids on the planet.They are the only Hybrids worth purchasing.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Charliewool

Would you settle for a convertible for wife and TWO dogs?
(Big 2nd dog though, so could fit 3 smaller?)
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Can you get road registerable versions of those here?

Am keen

[anobserver]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Can you get road registerable versions of those here?

Am keen

Probably speed limited to 10kmhr.

[zilo]

Originally Posted by kevino

Latest X Trail from Nissan petrol electric hybrid getting very good reviews.

Ford Escape PHEV but not sure on cup holders/think the Nissan would floor Ford on that one.

Tesla model Y.

That Audi E tron but getting some poor reliability reviews in US.

Merc electric SUV.

Too much choice at $ end of market.

This Ïoniq from Hyundai seems cheap for what you get?

https://www.hyundai.com/au/en/cars/eco/ioniq5

Anyone seen one in the flesh?

[FTE217]

Yep a few on the road - look way nicer than teslas imo.
A very good effort by them.


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[Rallye Sport]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Can you get road registerable versions of those here?

Am keen

Alot of the inner city councils around here use them for parks and gardens. On conditional licenses, single lane roads not over 50kph etc.

We had a licensed one at a Golf estate I worked on, IRS, turf (slick) tyres and a diff lock, it was always good fun running around the suburb in it

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by Swordie

Kia has a good range of cars at a reasonable price. The Cerato has good space, size and features at reasonable price. The Stinger V6T will be probably be collectable once it stopped been sold.

I have a drive of a Hyundai i30N with a 2.0T, it goes hard and handles well. There's also the N Line that has a 1.6T, that sounds like a good car too for the money, its in the mid-30's.

And, the badge can easily be swapped for a Ford one, well it was the case a while back at least

[stock1991]

You would buy an Everest? I imagine. Money being no object. Seems to me the Ford options are slim

[barra240t]

Originally Posted by zilo

car for my wife..needs to carry dogs and be easy to park etc

Pretty easy then, Puma ST-Line V or Focus SUV Vignale

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by FTE217

Yep a few on the road - look way nicer than teslas imo.
A very good effort by them.


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Seen a few now, i really like the look its almost a retro kinda look i think. One of the better looking EV's i think