BFII to feature improved fuel economy?

[RavenLS1]

i hope the I6 pulls over 200kw

[Smoked]

Lighter car will go a long way, a long way indeed.

[bo0]

Originally Posted by Smoked

Lighter car will go a long way, a long way indeed.

If a lighter car results with the BFII, hopefully build quality of the car isn't comprimised.
It seems the e-gas variant is the go, particurly with rising middile-east conflicts and the inevitable rise in fuel price, Ford can really capitalise on the market with it if they expand and improve on it, like a few of you guys are suggesting.

Another interesting point is a reduced version of the I6, which we haven't seen in faclons since the early E-series (3.2 or 3.9 EA's). Not a bad prospect, providing they do it right.

[Ringo]

I wonder if we will see the return of smaller six - 3.0 or 3.5 litres

[Polyal]

well 4.0l of inline 6 is a bit of an overkill, but until wieght goes down I cant see it happening.

BF2 will be a marked improvement I am sure.

[vztrt]

The the BFII today and you will certainly notice the difference between the two series in the XT and fairmont models and ute's. Didn't see an XR so I'm assuming it will probably look the same.

[ivorya]

Originally Posted by twinpiston

In what model though...

What i meant to say is that everyone is talking alloy block, why not go the graphite composite. Lighter/stronger than alloy, better NVH insulation but i guess the $$$ prob alot more.

[The Stylist]

I'm not sure if all you guy's have checked out the VE picture thread in the Pub? In that thread there is a link to an Carpoint.com.au article relating to the VE and how Ford will respond to the new Commodore.

This Thursday (15th June) there is supposed to be some news on how Ford will do this.

BFII reveal anyone???

[XplosiveR6]

Originally Posted by niko

ive never seen an average on a BA under 15/100 but then again all the ones i have seen have obese feet :P

wow they must be driven hard or something very wrong, our BA gets 11.5l/100kms

mmm i wonder if the BAII will get an all alloy 4.0 and 5.4, we can only hope

[McobraR]

I didnt notice how heavy the DOHC 4V layout is. The 2.7L TD V6 is, even tho consisting of a CGI block, still heavier than the LS1/2. Even if our I6 and BOSS engines consist of a CGI block, i doubt it'll be comparable in weight with the LS engines, tho, it'll put less weight up front, so i guess better than nothin

[The Stylist]

Other rumours about the BFII I've heard are that there is going to be a new bonnet along with the current headlights that have an Audi A4 like dip on the lower edge. A slightly different front bumper is also mooted for the BFII.

I've only picked up this infomation from another forum - so I don't know how true these claims are. It sound feasible, but a little on the extensive side for an MKII update.

[Dazza XLT]

The BA Mk II Update was just a new set of alloys and some interior changes was it not? Surely they will have to do more this time round, with VE coming onto the block. :
Is it just me, or is it a bit too soon to be updating the BF??? The BA was out for years before the update came around... :

[McobraR]

Originally Posted by The Stylist

Other rumours about the BFII I've heard are that there is going to be a new bonnet along with the current headlights that have an Audi A4 like dip on the lower edge. A slightly different front bumper is also mooted for the BFII.

I've only picked up this infomation from another forum - so I don't know how true these claims are. It sound feasible, but a little on the extensive side for an MKII update.

hmm similar to what holden did with the VX from the VT maybe? sounds alright, i think that'l actually make the car look better too

[AuFairlaneV8]

Originally Posted by niko

ive never seen an average on a BA under 15/100 but then again all the ones i have seen have obese feet :P

My xr8 uses around 12.5/100

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by The Stylist

Other rumours about the BFII I've heard are that there is going to be a new bonnet along with the current headlights that have an Audi A4 like dip on the lower edge. A slightly different front bumper is also mooted for the BFII.

New bonnet, headlights and grill for non XR models.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by vztrt

New bonnet, headlights and grill for non XR models.

Should be for all the cars in the Falcon range. I saw a BF XR8 on the highway with the whole front end covered in camoflage, bonnet, front bumper and lights, so XR's should get it to.

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Should be for all the cars in the Falcon range. I saw a BF XR8 on the highway with the whole front end covered in camoflage, bonnet, front bumper and lights, so XR's should get it to.

I haven't seen one in the flesh like the non XR models. So if there is a cosmetic change it will be very minimal else one would have been built over a month ago.

[freaky]

I recall they tried fitting curtain airbags for the BF but couldnt fit them, so I doubt well see this.

I wonder what FPV will do. My guess would be the introduction of Dynamic Stability Control which they did not calibrate for the BF range.

[The Stylist]

Originally Posted by Darran

Is it just me, or is it a bit too soon to be updating the BF??? The BA was out for years before the update came around... :

I must admit it does seem a bit soon for an BFII update, if it does come sooner then possibly it's something for Ford to counter Holden nearing the VE launch.

All purely speculative though...

[bathurst77]

I understand the BFII GTHO will have the V10 supercharged.. NOS optional

[Deadman]

Originally Posted by niko

ive never seen an average on a BA under 15/100 but then again all the ones i have seen have obese feet :P

9.9l/100km here and proud of it :P (average over the last 4 months / 15,000km or so on standard 91 RON unleaded)

But I spend most of my time on the highway.

[The Stylist]

Territory Turbo is due for launch soon, so Carpoint could be referring to that. If anyone wants a brand new GTHO they will have to go back in time. If anything, the next hyper Falcon probably won't turn up until the E8 arrives.

[banarcus]

Originally Posted by bathurst77

I understand the BFII GTHO will have the V10 supercharged.. NOS optional

Ahhh, theres always someone that brings this up.

[Iphido]

BF II is to counter VE and a market that is running away from big RWD sedans.

- BF II looks like targeting aerodynamics (went backwards from AU with BA) cd should be back around .28, exterior changes and underbody changes likely
-Wider avalibility of 6 speed, optional across more cars.
-New E-gas engine avalible on all SWB sedan, wagons and utes. E-gas and 6 speed as a premium E-gas solution.
-Cutting some weight from BF ~25-50kg (orion components?) Gorman pretty much copied my previous comments on lighter alloy components. Key targets will be engine and suspension.
-Turbo Territory and Turbo Territory Ghia
-Turbo Fairmont Ghia (please be true)
-LWB cars to recived final update before disapearing this will be publicly acknowledged.
-Wagons also to recive final update before disapearing ditto
-Wider avalibility of DSC onto Fairmont and Futura and XR6
-Some BFII cars to recive monotube shocks (XR, Sports IRS, FPV) not from Delphi
-Fuel economy average I would estimate to drop to 10.0 or 9.9 L per 100 for I6 with 6 speed. Gains in highway (aerodynamics) and city (weight and engine improvements). Highway near 7.0 L flat.

[Focused]

Originally Posted by Iphido

BF II is to counter VE and a market that is running away from big RWD sedans.

- BF II looks like targeting aerodynamics (went backwards from AU with BA) cd should be back around .28, exterior changes and underbody changes likely
-Wider avalibility of 6 speed, optional across more cars.
-New E-gas engine avalible on all SWB sedan, wagons and utes. E-gas and 6 speed as a premium E-gas solution.
-Cutting some weight from BF ~25-50kg (orion components?) Gorman pretty much copied my previous comments on lighter alloy components. Key targets will be engine and suspension.
-Turbo Territory and Turbo Territory Ghia
-Turbo Fairmont Ghia (please be true)
-LWB cars to recived final update before disapearing this will be publicly acknowledged.
-Wagons also to recive final update before disapearing ditto
-Wider avalibility of DSC onto Fairmont and Futura and XR6
-Some BFII cars to recive monotube shocks (XR, Sports IRS, FPV) not from Delphi
-Fuel economy average I would estimate to drop to 10.0 or 9.9 L per 100 for I6 with 6 speed. Gains in highway (aerodynamics) and city (weight and engine improvements). Highway near 7.0 L flat.

Interesting. No offense intended, but how much is fact and how much is your opinion? Seems like a much larger facelift than what I expected if all of that is true.

[Hally]

Excuse my possible ignorance....

If the BFII update has things like a new bonnet, headlights, bumper etc, would this not be a more significant change than from BA to BF. Just curious as I cannot remember (apart from increase horspower and 6 speed autos and manuals) what in cosmetic terms BA to BF had.

[Iphido]

It is all fiction. Sorry I should have included a disclaimer at the top.

As I said previously, I have no inside sources.

However you do not need a inside mole to find out whats happening. Simple observation can tell you that.

Infact I tend to find inside mole information unreliable at best and sometimes downright misleading. Ala V10 GTHO.. Hell we have even seen the GTHO badges in a FPV workshop!

BF II is expected to be a suprising facelift simply because it has to fight VE.

Some of those statemens are pretty safe.
-Ford has already announced turbo terri
-Ford has already announced wider E-gas (and no doubt more of it too). Fleets are demanding it.
-Ford has already announced improved economy and improved economy with lower NVH.
-Ion is widing up, the 6 speed will replace it, it is logical to assume this will be a increasing common transmission in the lineup.
-Wagon and LWB are dying. No one refutes that.

6 speed falcon economy is already @ 10.2. So Given improved aero (better highway), lower weight (improved city) and some minor engine improvements fuel economy should be at least 10.1 with 9.9 and 10.0 entirely possible.

Shouldn't be a long wait. Ford will start drip feeding us by the end of this week or maybe next week. Which is why I wanted to get my hastey prediction in.

[Iphido]

Originally Posted by Hally

Excuse my possible ignorance....

If the BFII update has things like a new bonnet, headlights, bumper etc, would this not be a more significant change than from BA to BF. Just curious as I cannot remember (apart from increase horspower and 6 speed autos and manuals) what in cosmetic terms BA to BF had.

BF got new front bumpers, new alloys, new colours, fog lights and chrome for ghia, new rear lights, some interior changes too.

BFII won't be a huge exterior change. But there are places they can make improvements. Im not saying 100% for sure they will have new headlights bumpers etc but Its quite possible they will have.

Ford will be fighting a battle against the new hotness VE. So it will strive to look fresh.

I think Xenon might also get a look in on BFII. Ve looks like getting it. So Ghia and above might get it standard, while optional on XR's.

But nothings certain. While Im sure its being developed, it could be shot down like the monotube shocks in BF.

[banarcus]

I for one hope you're right with the Fairmont Ghia turbo Iphido, my father in law would probably be one of the first to get one.

[Hally]

Just on Ion, I would just like to say that somemanagement have bought part of the business and have started a company called Drivetrain Systems International. Can't say much more than that.