Performance car purchase dilema..

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by F6 FOON

Now thats better we know what your looking at, you posted this at the same time as my previous post. I think it would be better to ask your wife what car she would like rather than us IMO.

As i posted earlier the results of this have no bearing on my purchase decision.. the 2 are mutually exclusive.

[DJR-351]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Nobody.. (well appart from 1 has).. has actually thought laterally enough to consider this may be as simple as Auto v Manual trans.....

Just saw this, i have never and will never buy/own an Auto, but thats me......

[Wally]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Ive Looked at G6ET, XR8, GT, GT-E, F6, X5, SLine A4 Quattro, Senator and T.Territory. Pretty broadly!! Oh, its gong to be the wifes car...

Easiest way I've found is to encourage her to go and buy a car she likes. The last one she wanted was the 370Z and it wasn't based on fast versus comfort.

[HSE2]

Making a decision based on feeling over reality is very very rarely anything to do with a poor suspension or anything remotely linked to it.

It’s a bit like making a comment about drivability then claiming you change gears to overtake something. Drivability or "that feeling" or "flexibility" is not a statement on outright performance. Cars that have the reputation as fastest don’t necessarily reflect the best 'driveability" expressed in day to day driving conditions or usability as reflect in a percentage of the ownership experience.

There are a number of factors that can lead to this deceptive conclusion such as seating position and NVH right through to the more tangible torque and gearing aspects of the package in question.

For me drivability and all that encompasses always trumps bragging rights. However there is certainly a portion that believes in not having to make excuses for ones purchase. The reputation deserved or not, gives street credibility. When you have that, your machine and not your mouth does the talking.

If acceptance or credibility is a concern or factor ( and let’s be honest here) most recognise peek numbers but few understand or recognise the importance of drivability in perception and ultimately that wider acceptance.

[DJR-351]

Originally Posted by HSE2

Making a decision based on feeling over reality is very very rarely anything to do with a poor suspension or anything remotely linked to it.

It’s a bit like making a comment about drivability then claiming you change gears to overtake something. Drivability or "that feeling" or "flexibility" is not a statement on outright performance. Cars that have the reputation as fastest don’t necessarily reflect the best 'driveability" expressed in day to day driving conditions or usability as reflect in a percentage of the ownership experience.

There are a number of factors that can lead to this deceptive conclusion such as seating position and NVH right through to the more tangible torque and gearing aspects of the package in question.

For me drivability and all that encompasses always trumps bragging rights. However there is certainly a portion that believes in not having to make excuses for ones purchase. The reputation deserved or not, gives street credibility. When you have that, your machine and not your mouth does the talking.

If acceptance or credibility is a concern or factor ( and let’s be honest here) most recognise peek numbers but few understand or recognise the importance of drivability in perception and ultimately that wider acceptance.

Never has a truer word been spoken.......

[burnz]

ha ha gotta hand it to ya 4V

you look for an answer to question you "never" asked.
this poll is akin to phsycoanilise the poll responedants.

[Joshvee]

Originally Posted by Wally

The last one she wanted was the 370Z and it wasn't based on fast versus comfort.

Was it red? lol .... sorry hehe

[prydey]

people aren't very good at hypothesising. seems some can't give an answer unless they are talking specifics. maybe they are worried that they might be shown up as a hypocrite in their real life decisions.

[Wally]

Originally Posted by Joshvee

Was it red? lol .... sorry hehe

Yellow, red is so pretentious don't you know. _2:

What makes a car feel faster..

size of car
size of engine
loose steering
over steering
size of steering wheel
seat height
loud exhaust
suspension geometry
manual floor shift
GT stripes
Big exhaust tip
Badging
throttle response
neck snap
a big brother halo car

what makes a car feel like you're driving the king of the jungle:

a dirty big V8

[Falc'man]

Originally Posted by burnz

ha ha gotta hand it to ya 4V

you look for an answer to question you "never" asked.
this poll is akin to phsycoanilise the poll responedants.

True.

As a general question/poll it's a good one, and I'm glad it'll never affect your decision to buy something for the wife. If I wanted something for the Mrs I know it's more to do with renowned reliability, vanity mirrors everywhere, a little section to do the cooking on the way home if she's late, dishwasher for when we're out on a picnic, ironing board, shower, shoe rack, dressing table... these kinda things.

Back to the pole. "B" is the obvious answer, but this is a hypothetical, and in reality the car that feels quicker is the quicker anyway.

[zx10]

Originally Posted by flappist

e.g.
After rotation in a heavy jet you are accellerating from about 200kts to maybe 400-600kts but it justs feels like you coasting along.
Conversly, a ride at the show or theme park fells like you are breaking the sound barrier when infact you are not going very fast at all.

For a vehicle to feel faster on the "bum-o-meter" it must be jerky and bumpy.

So.......do you want a JET or a THEME PARK RIDE..........

LOL what a great example! Do you want a mode of transport or do you want an exciting ride?

How many people line up at the airport to take a plane to perth cause they get excited by the takeoff?

How many people line up at movie world to ride the "superman escape" all the way to perth?

2 different audiences and both are right.

[geckoGT]

I am going to completely leave the 6 and 8 thing as well as the FPV and HSV thing alone (or any other thing you can think of that closes threads).

I think there have been some excellent points on here and the key to it all is it comes down to personal choice.

One of the factors that greatly influences personal choice is circumstance, what is right for you at the time.

I have been in the situation a number of times where I have let the bum-o-meter buy the car instead of the cold hard facts, I do not regret that. Now my circumstances have changed and with all other car features being the same, I would go for the faster not the "feels the fastest". Why, because I don't want a boy racer car that seems fast, I want a bit more subtle that is fast.

Please do not assume I am tlking F6 and GT, I am not, the examples in my mind are not even Ford.

[Walt Kowalski]

Originally Posted by mcnews

qUOTE - . - END QUOTE

I have a soul myself, thus I do not need to purchase one to make me feel speshial.

What would Charles Darwin say about that?

Flappist made a good point about the seat of the pants meter.

I have bought 2 turbos because they feel more refined, faster and eager to respond. Fact they were better on paper was basically irrelevant to me.
So B

[flappist]

Originally Posted by Wally

Yellow, red is so pretentious don't you know. _2:

What makes a car feel faster..

size of car
size of engine
loose steering
over steering
size of steering wheel
seat height
loud exhaust
suspension geometry
manual floor shift
GT stripes
Big exhaust tip
Badging
throttle response
neck snap
a big brother halo car

what makes a car feel like you're driving the king of the jungle:

a dirty big V8

Well until a V10 turns up beside you at the lights anyway.......

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by flappist

Well until a V10 turns up beside you at the lights anyway.......

Or the retirement village bus looking for you..!

[Wally]

Originally Posted by flappist

Well until a V10 turns up beside you at the lights anyway.......

Yeah well there's that too damnit.

[Mr Hardware]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Or the retirement village bus looking for you..!

ooh careful there 4Vman, flappist is real sensitive about his age...

[MITCHAY]

I bought my car because it felt quick but it doesn't have bad figures on paper either too. My car is a 2003 WRX for interests sake :

My car is still stock after 3 years of ownership and I have plenty money to pump 350-400atw easy too so I'd say I'm pretty happy with the performance although I will most likely buy a XR6T or SS next ;)

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by Mr Hardware

ooh careful there 4Vman, flappist is real sensitive about his age...

It didnt apply to flappist!!!

[GTpilot]

4V, If they are your only 2 determining factors, then I think you are more suited to LS1 forums. :

Seriously, I would take neither option into consideration. I'd buy the car that best suits my needs and wants.

Firstly,
Looks good inside and out (by that I mean suits MY taste, screw what others think)
Is practical for my needs
Has what I want.
Is not a Holden/HSV!!

Then after this criteria narrows down the options, I'd pick the best out of the following:
Is most Comfortable
Drives and handles best
Would hold better resale value

If I was narrowed down to only your options, I would go for what FEELS fastest, As you said it will not see a track..
Public roads have cops enforcing speed limits. so BEING fastest is useless.

[Joshvee]

Originally Posted by jgb

Seriously, I would take neither option into consideration. I'd buy the car that best suits my needs and wants.

Firstly,
Looks good inside and out (by that I mean suits MY taste, screw what others think)
Is practical for my needs
Has what I want.
Is not a Holden/HSV!!

[prydey]

Originally Posted by jgb

4V, If they are your only 2 determining factors, then I think you are more suited to LS1 forums. :

Seriously, I would take neither option into consideration. I'd buy the car that best suits my needs and wants.

Firstly,
Looks good inside and out (by that I mean suits MY taste, screw what others think)
Is practical for my needs
Has what I want.
Is not a Holden/HSV!!

Then after this criteria narrows down the options, I'd pick the best out of the following:
Is most Comfortable
Drives and handles best
Would hold better resale value

If I was narrowed down to only your options, I would go for what FEELS fastest, As you said it will not see a track..
Public roads have cops enforcing speed limits. so BEING fastest is useless.

if you re read the original post you will notice that 4vman specifically says 'all other aspects of the cars are equal in your mind...' meaning the search (hypothetically) has been narrowed to 2 vehicles each with slightly different performance credentials and characteristics. it has also been pointed out that the 2 vehicles could in fact be the same except one auto, one manual.

[GTpilot]

Originally Posted by prydey

if you re read the original post you will notice that 4vman specifically says 'all other aspects of the cars are equal in your mind...' meaning the search (hypothetically) has been narrowed to 2 vehicles each with slightly different performance credentials and characteristics. it has also been pointed out that the 2 vehicles could in fact be the same except one auto, one manual.

no need for me to re-read. I picked that up the first time. Perhaps you could re read my last paragraph.

I just gave my overall opinion. My appoligies if that upsets you.

[GTpilot]

Originally Posted by Joshvee

Now thats what I'm talking about!!!!. Yeah baby!!! :

[seXCmont]

the minivan japan has to makeover *RICEMOBIL*

[seXCmont]

aanyway if this is for ya wife does it really mater? I know you did say what we think wont affect the outcome but yeh all upto her I think. I let my ex get a bloody ricer because she wanted something flashy that stood out.

[xtreme]

Originally Posted by Wally

Yellow, red is so pretentious don't you know. _2:

What makes a car feel faster..

size of car
size of engine
loose steering
over steering
size of steering wheel
seat height
loud exhaust
suspension geometry
manual floor shift
GT stripes
Big exhaust tip
Badging
throttle response
neck snap
a big brother halo car

what makes a car feel like you're driving the king of the jungle:

a dirty big V8

This couldnt be more true!!! There are many things to make a car feel faster, and go faster. im sure the xr6T and the typhoons snap ur neck more than a GT, but if you want to feel like the king D*** of the road, nothing does it better than having a big throbbing V8 under the bonnet

[Fireblade]

See thats a matter of personal perception, I feel more like King D*** on the road in my Typhoon than I ever did in my XR8. Its not because of how fast it is, thats just a by product, but more just for the whole package and how it does its thing on a daily basis.

[Late braker]

A great thread.

My situation was that I needed a big car, performance-orientated, good looking and practical.

After about a year of crunching numbers both specs and dollars, I had narrowed it down to VE SV6 vs BF II XR6 N/A.

XR6 won.

Why? Suited my needs better. VE was very quick- engine was very revvy and the car felt very quick especially mid-range where you usually need it in the real world for passing. But the XR6 was smoother, more refined in the driveline, MUCH QUIETER, better looking and just as fast if not faster to drive in the real world. Has more torque too if we go by numbers. Kind of "cigar and slippers" fast while the VE was "one trick pony" fast.

[xtreme]

Originally Posted by F6 FOON

See thats a matter of personal perception, I feel more like King D*** on the road in my Typhoon than I ever did in my XR8. Its not because of how fast it is, thats just a by product, but more just for the whole package and how it does its thing on a daily basis.

yeah, but look at the power an XR8 has compared to your typhoon....and an XR doesnt have the appeal of an FPV