June 2018 vFacts

[MrZ]

Originally Posted by Smoke Pursuit

Territory sales figures are why we get no Petrol option in Endura. They were hard to sell, the figures and holding days don't lie, the only reason Petrol Territory lasted till the end was to help keep Geelong pumping.

Hard to sell? I'm not so sure. Territory was selling quite well before the diesel engine was introduced, and current resale values show that the diesel and petrol models both sell for about the same amount on the used market.

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by MrZ

Hard to sell? I'm not so sure. Territory was selling quite well before the diesel engine was introduced, and current resale values show that the diesel and petrol models both sell for about the same amount on the used market.

Petrols were harder to sell then Diesels new. They had alot longer holding days in comparison when they were brought into stock. Im talking purely diesel vs petrol here, not SY vs SZ.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by Smoke Pursuit

Petrols were harder to sell then Diesels new. They had alot longer holding days in comparison when they were brought into stock. Im talking purely diesel vs petrol here, not SY vs SZ.

I agree, when I replaced our SZ diesel with an SZII diesel last Feb there were mostly petrols still available and the sales split always favoured tdi's. I'm thinking however where Ford don't have to "protect" any local manufacturing now they should bring in these hipo versions of Endura etc..but of course the Fed. government has to play ball and get rid of our adr's or align them with Europe and reduce the cost of compliance of different versions of the same model,as we have discussed earlier.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Thank you, a glimmer of hope

There was a thread about it, and a link to an article from one of the auto news websites where one of the Ford execs mentions they are looking at the explorer. In the pub earlier in the year.

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

Just wondering, with the ending of sedans in the USA announced, would they need some increased production volume that could easily happen with some RHD builds if rhd models are also developed in future. Also do they "batch-build" rhd Mustang now and Edge/Endura in Canada?

They don't batch build anything. Everything is mixed together going down the line these days.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

There was a thread about it, and a link to an article from one of the auto news websites where one of the Ford execs mentions they are looking at the explorer. In the pub earlier in the year.



They don't batch build anything. Everything is mixed together going down the line these days.

all of the working stations.

^^^^^ This

Automotive manufacturers don’t batch build, thay balance the line by mixing products to keep a constant cadence through all workstations.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

There was a thread about it, and a link to an article from one of the auto news websites where one of the Ford execs mentions they are looking at the explorer. In the pub earlier in the year.



They don't batch build anything. Everything is mixed together going down the line these days.

So then we just need to get here, the UK, South Africans, and any orther rhd market "to grow some" and demand a hipo version.

[Syndrome]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

could of should of had the v6 ecoboost in Falcon & territory. would have set them up better for now..

Nope. They tried that in 2007 and changed their mind in 2008.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith
Just wondering, with the ending of sedans in the USA announced, would they need some increased production volume that could easily happen with some RHD builds if rhd models are also developed in future. Also do they "batch-build" rhd Mustang now and Edge/Endura in Canada?

One in every ten Mustangs built is a RHD, I expect RHD Edge is built similar to
standardise the product mix, line speed and delivery of parts from suppliers.

[Sprintey]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Reading sales reports of Aussie designed CD4 Taurus in China, very disappointing that
the big car sell barely 1,000 a month, maybe try here as our "Commodore " alternative..
Gotta be better than Mondeo's 160 sales.

I don't think it would be. Even Commodore with it's historic name, when turned into a FWD, is only selling a shadow of its former self. The whole segment is on the nose, how would a bigger FWD with a Ford badge rather than Holden or Camry, and name last given to an ovoid disaster do better than the long established yet completely ignored Mondeo? Avalon, Malibu, Epica - need I go on?

As to why it's not selling in China I have no idea. Maybe they like RWD?

[Sprintey]

Originally Posted by Smoke Pursuit

Petrols were harder to sell then Diesels new. They had alot longer holding days in comparison when they were brought into stock. Im talking purely diesel vs petrol here, not SY vs SZ.

Petrol was RWD only affair in SZ. If you wanted AWD, you had to get the diesel. If only they had petrol AWD right to the end...

[arronm]

Nice facts, I wasnt aware. If only they had turbo petrol AWD till the end.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by Syndrome

Nope. They tried that in 2007 and changed their mind in 2008.

You mean decided to keep Geelong running, wasn't aware they tried / Trialed the V6 Ecoboost? any info?

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by Sprintey

Petrol was RWD only affair in SZ. If you wanted AWD, you had to get the diesel. If only they had petrol AWD right to the end...

Why? I've owned 2 Territory's both RWD, it does the job and uses less fuel.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

You mean decided to keep Geelong running, wasn't aware they tried / Trialed the V6 Ecoboost? any info?

They trial fitted a few NA V6's, but as far as i'm aware there were no plans for an ecoboost version.

[Vesper Martini]

That's right here was talk of using the Duratec 3.5 cyclone V6.
I think just because it was available at the time.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

That's right here was talk of using the Duratec 3.5 cyclone V6.
I think just because it was available at the time.

It was part of a deal, take Focus production, give up I-6 and import V6.
There was a belief that the I-6 would take lots of work to meet Euro 4
but using T6 project emissions program proved it could be done for $20 M.

At the same time, Asian nations threw up walls that stopped Ford exporting
territory and also Focus if built in Australia. Fitting he V6 to the Falcon was
found to be problematic, much wider and taller requiring reworking of the
inner aprons and a bonnet bulge not unlike FPV Boss equipped vehicles.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by jpd80

It was part of a deal, take Focus production, give up I-6 and import V6.
There was a belief that the I-6 would take lots of work to meet Euro 4
but using T6 project emissions program proved it could be done for $20 M.

At the same time, Asian nations threw up walls that stopped Ford exporting
territory and also Focus if built in Australia. Fitting he V6 to the Falcon was
found to be problematic, much wider and taller requiring reworking of the
inner aprons and a bonnet bulge not unlike FPV Boss equipped vehicles.

From what I understand, the Thai free trade agreement was a big part of what killed Focus production here.

[jpd80]

They signed the FTA but the put legal capacity taxes on imports
Which added huge amount to Terry’s price tag, pity we didn’t reciprocate

[Nikked]

it put the territory up to an un affordable price if i remember correctly. Sneaky politics.

[Vesper Martini]

Yep they were $100K Pointless exercise.
https://www.goauto.com.au/news/ford/...-07/22496.html

[danzvtil]

FTAs aren’t signed purely for automotive gain. How many extra millions of tonnes of food or grain can we export under this FTA? Thailand was never going to go nuts over an Aussie built car.

[csv8]

There was an ad for the Holden Commodore ZB on Sunrise this morning. It wasn't being driven gently. Basically, " we have thrown everything at it. so its right for Australia" First ad I have seen for The Holden Commodore ZB.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by danzvtil

FTAs aren’t signed purely for automotive gain. How many extra millions of tonnes of food or grain can we export under this FTA? Thailand was never going to go nuts over an Aussie built car.

I think it is the opposite, it was easier to built Focus in Thailand and import it Tarif free.