New Toyota Supra

[cat007]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Toyota? They've got a Subaru and a BMW.

Nice straw man, if you want I'll take you under my wing and show you how propaganda is done properly so it might take me longer than 15 seconds to deconstruct your thinly veiled trolling attempt.

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I eagerly await your apparent amazing deconstruction

[baboon]

Better keep it on the new Supra hey?...

Apparently a Journo drove the new BMW Z4 and the new Supra and they felt totally different to drive.

There are reports that BMW and Toyota engineers had input into the engine, and during development Toyota engineers underwent reliability tests on the engine, and constantly sent parts back to BMW to re-engineer parts to Toyota standards. Once this was done, the engine was signed off by BMW to which Toyota further developed the drivetrain to their liking to finally produce the new Supra. It is also made in Magna Steyr’s plant in Graz, Austria.

[cat007]

Originally Posted by baboon

Better keep it on the new Supra hey?...

Apparently a Journo drove the new BMW Z4 and the new Supra and they felt totally different to drive.

There are reports that BMW and Toyota engineers had input into the engine, and during development Toyota engineers underwent reliability tests on the engine, and constantly sent parts back to BMW to re-engineer parts to Toyota standards. Once this was done, the engine was signed off by BMW to which Toyota further developed the drivetrain to their liking to finally produce the new Supra. It is also made in Magna Steyr’s plant in Graz, Austria.

Links to said reports?

[baboon]

Originally Posted by cat007

Links to said reports?

CHIEF ENGINEER TETSUYA TADA, REVEALS THE A90 SUPRA, FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF A JOINT DEVELOPMENT WITH BMW

SUPRA RETURNS! THE INSIDE STORY ON THE 2020 TOYOTA SUPRA'S COMEBACK

2019 BMW Z4 WON'T DRIVE ANYTHING LIKE THE TOYOTA SUPRA, BMW BOSS SAYS

[cat007]

Originally Posted by baboon

CHIEF ENGINEER TETSUYA TADA, REVEALS THE A90 SUPRA, FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF A JOINT DEVELOPMENT WITH BMW



SUPRA RETURNS! THE INSIDE STORY ON THE 2020 TOYOTA SUPRA'S COMEBACK



2019 BMW Z4 WON'T DRIVE ANYTHING LIKE THE TOYOTA SUPRA, BMW BOSS SAYS

Nice work. Cheers

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[DJM83]

Originally Posted by cat007

The GT? That doesn't make them any money.

The 'performance' Focus is dead. A few years and it won't exist anymore, only the 'trend'.

The Fiesta? yuck. Good for grandma I guess.

The Mustang, about all they're good for. How long can they hold on to the V8 though?

F150? HAHA are you serious? That thing is as desparate as their shareholder's, and just as cheap.

Fkn

Any idea?
Go and drive a Fiesta ST.
Performance focus is far from dead, only tread? GTFO, again, go and drive one.

You sound like a disgruntled falcon owner.

Ford GT, most companies have a hero car this is it.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by DJM83

Fkn

Any idea?
Go and drive a Fiesta ST.
Performance focus is far from dead, only tread? GTFO, again, go and drive one.

You sound like a disgruntled falcon owner.

Ford GT, most companies have a hero car this is it.

Exactly the GT is an example of what Ford can achieve, they only sell them for $450K USD to approved buyers, they enter a contract where they cannot just sell them.
I read an article where John Cena beached the contract and sold his off for 1.7 million USD.

..sorry way off topic

[blue sleeper]

Originally Posted by baboon

Maybe the sound of it will sell you?

2020 Toyota Supra Launch Control

That sounds a lot like my car. Even my old man said so from listening in another room. Shame about the lack of power though.....

[baboon]

Saw a comment saying that the 1JZ Soarer was like a 2JZ Supra with a suit and tie. Not surprised in the similarities in sound with supra DNA.

[blue sleeper]

Originally Posted by baboon

Saw a comment saying that the 1JZ Soarer was like a 2JZ Supra with a suit and tie. Not surprised in the similarities in sound with supra DNA.

Well the Soarer was the answer to the SL Merc just like the LS was to the S Class. It's funny the updated 1JZ might of got close to the emission targets, as it survived for quite a few years as a NA engine. But who knows.....

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by blue sleeper

That sounds a lot like my car. Even my old man said so from listening in another room. Shame about the lack of power though.....

Certainly not having a go at your Soarer with 1JZ as it has pretty awesome stats for a 90's car, but this Supra does have more power

[cat007]

Originally Posted by DJM83

Performance focus is far from dead, only tread? GTFO, again, go and drive one.

There are reports, confirmed by Ford (lmgtfy.com) all over the show of Ford stopping production of the Focus RS.

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by cat007

There are reports, confirmed by Ford (lmgtfy.com) all over the show of Ford stopping production of the Focus RS.

Pretty sure it's come to the end of its life span that's why, not cause they are dumping it. New focus st is coming too don't forget.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by cat007

There are reports, confirmed by Ford (lmgtfy.com) all over the show of Ford stopping production of the Focus RS.

Stopping current RS.. there's already talk of the next one being a 300kw Hybrid.

[cat007]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

Stopping current RS.. there's already talk of the next one being a 300kw Hybrid.

Phwoar that would be a handful

[GT2]

Details of the next generation M3 are being released by BMW. 480hp for the standard M3 and 510 when ordered with the comp pack. I wonder if these engines will make their way into the Supra.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by GT2

Details of the next generation M3 are being released by BMW. 480hp for the standard M3 and 510 when ordered with the comp pack. I wonder if these engines will make their way into the Supra.

well Its the same B58 engine

[ClevlndStemer]

[Wretched]

Supra pricing revealed.

$84, 900

GTS - $94, 900 with the addition of
• High performance sports brakes
• Head Up Display (HUD)
• JBL 12 speaker audio
• 19” forged alloy wheels

[Venomous1]

Shows how much value the Mustang V8 is.

[cat007]

Originally Posted by Venomous1

Shows how much value the Mustang V8 is.

Errr not sure you can compare.

They're 'value' as in you get what you pay for.

[M&Ms]

Originally Posted by Wretched

Supra pricing revealed.

$84, 900

GTS - $94, 900 with the addition of
• High performance sports brakes
• Head Up Display (HUD)
• JBL 12 speaker audio
• 19” forged alloy wheels

https://www.carsales.com.au/editoria...-supra-118556/

Plus on-roads means it's a $110k car in top guise.

Must admit, in the link above it does look good (for the most part) in white with the gloss black wheels.

But why oh why do modern cars skimp on brakes! Rear brakes are now single piston sliding calipers in most (including a $250k E63s or a $300k Audi RS6!). At least the Italians aren't skimping!!

[vztrt]

What's the equivalent BMW the chassis is based off go for?

[FTE217]

Z4 has the same inline 6 top of the line $125k or abouts from memory.

[Venomous1]

Originally Posted by cat007

Errr not sure you can compare.

They're 'value' as in you get what you pay for.

2 door sports coupe rear drive?

Actually id say the Ecoboost would probably compete with he supra and be cheaper again.

https://www.cars.com/articles/auto-s...1420757385043/

[cat007]

Originally Posted by Venomous1

2 door sports coupe rear drive?

Actually id say the Ecoboost would probably compete with he supra and be cheaper again.

https://www.cars.com/articles/auto-s...1420757385043/

What's the tech level between the two like I wonder? I imagine the Toyota has a lot more bells and whistles?

[Vesper Martini]

At nearly half the price an ecoboost Mustang is certainly a value alternative.
EB Mustang
2.3-litre four-cylinder turbo Power: 233kW at 5600rpm Torque: 432Nm at 3000rpm
Transmission: Six-speed manual or automatic, rear-wheel-drive Fuel use: 8.5L/100km 6s to 100
Supra just under
3.0-litre turbo-petrol in-line 6-cylinder Power: 250kW (estimated) Torque: 500Nm (estimated) Transmission: 8-speed automatic Fuel use: 7.5L/100km (estimated) 4.6s to 100 (estimated)

[cat007]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

At nearly half the price an ecoboost Mustang is certainly a value alternative.
EB Mustang
2.3-litre four-cylinder turbo Power: 233kW at 5600rpm Torque: 432Nm at 3000rpm
Transmission: Six-speed manual or automatic, rear-wheel-drive Fuel use: 8.5L/100km 6s to 100
Supra just under
3.0-litre turbo-petrol in-line 6-cylinder Power: 250kW (estimated) Torque: 500Nm (estimated) Transmission: 8-speed automatic Fuel use: 7.5L/100km (estimated) 4.6s to 100 (estimated)

True - but then again - Mustang......

[Vesper Martini]

Put a 2.7 or 3.0 ecoboost in a mustang and that would certainly change things.
But its not just about power, I'm sure the Supra is more refined etc.

[cat007]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

Put a 2.7 or 3.0 ecoboost in a mustang and that would certainly change things.
But its not just about power, I'm sure the Supra is more refined etc.

Exactly. Power is nothing if it doesn't go around corners.
Refined is not a word associated with Mustang.