Malaysian Airways Flight 370

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

May I pick your brain again please?

Do you mind if I add my two bob's worth in reply? And I am certainly no expert but do have a background in avionics engineering....

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

Ok, autopilot is in control of the plain. Is it just like cruise control where the plane flies in a straight line or can it be programmed to do a bunch of turns this way and that?

Depends on the autopilot system, but most modern planes (and I would assume this would include the B777) would be able to have 'waypoints' programmed into the autopilot system.

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

My question is in regards to the gaining of altitude to 45k. If the plane was set to fly 'straight' as it goes further forward it will be gaining altitude as the curvature of the Earth comes into play.

Could this be a possibility? Or is a gradual decline of a few seconds factored into the forward movement of the plane so that it flies parallel to the surface automatically???

nstg8a was right, gravity takes care of the altitude issue. Just the same as your car does not increase altitude along a straight stretch of road due to the earth's curvature.

Also a pilot is still able to change heading and pitch (attitude) even with the autopliot engaged by use of the 'bug' on the Attitude Heading Reference System (AHRS) which would be built into the B777's Electronic Flight Instrumentation System (EFIS).

Hope that helps.

Craig H

[jpblue1000]

Originally Posted by womat

I would love to see the final cost of this search it is going to be a massive figure and I wonder who will pay for this in the end

I am sure one of the people paying will be the australian tax payer

I dont think we employ people just when a search is necessary. The engaged staff are already employed and earning a wage irrespective of what they are doing that day, flying the borders, in training or searching for a missing aircraft.
All comes out of an already alloted budget already being paid for by the taxpayer. Best they be flying and searching than sitting in an office twiddling their thumbs.

JP

[vxssm6]

Not sure if it has been mentioned above but I am hoping they find something like previous flight routes on the flight simulator that was confiscated from the pilots house that can lead them in the right direction.

[ray38l]

No matter the cost it has to be investigated fully.
If this is terrorists and it was to happen again it could kill the aviation industry. Imagine what would happen if a couple more planes vanished like this. Every Airline would have to cancel all flights until they work out what is going on.

[jpblue1000]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

May I pick your brain again please?

Ok, autopilot is in control of the plain. Is it just like cruise control where the plane flies in a straight line or can it be programmed to do a bunch of turns this way and that?

A modern Autopiloting system can also actually land the aircraft.
Known as a CAT IIIb landing and is available on many runways , especially at airports subject to adverse phenomena such as fog. a data relationship between the aircraft and runway is established upon approach and guides the aircraft down unaided under certain conditions of pilot visability and aircraft size...
A cat111c which I dont believe is in operation anywhere, will actually guide the aircraft to its standgate without pilot input

JP

[cram_it_frog]

Yes i am sure many of the staff are doing other work but expensesand cost will be much greater

example now I am know expert but all the search aircraft will be flying extra hours and that brings into service costs and many parts of air craft have to be replaced when they reach x amount of hour s

and I would not like the fuel bill I bet there will be a blow out in that budget

The one thing which will be a great advantage is the experience the search staff gain and extra knowledge will be a huge possitive

Just sitting down and working out where to go next will be for some a entirly new experience and only done in training

we do have to look at the positive side of things cannot just look at the negitive

[CoupeKing]

Originally Posted by womat

Yes i am sure many of the staff are doing other work but expensesand cost will be much greater

example now I am know expert but all the search aircraft will be flying extra hours and that brings into service costs and many parts of air craft have to be replaced when they reach x amount of hour s

and I would not like the fuel bill I bet there will be a blow out in that budget

The one thing which will be a great advantage is the experience the search staff gain and extra knowledge will be a huge possitive

Just sitting down and working out where to go next will be for some a entirly new experience and only done in training

we do have to look at the positive side of things cannot just look at the negitive

Your the one looking at the negative. Whos cares how much its going to at this stage, there is a posibility that people are still alive. Lets say you had a family member on that plane, you going to call the Coast Guard and get them to call the search off because its already costing the taxpayer too much money?

[Road_Warrior]

A comment in the Wall Street Journal says that if it had taken the 'northern route', it would have been intercepted (basically) by all manner of countries as it is heavily militarised airspace.

[ray38l]

Originally Posted by womat

Yes i am sure many of the staff are doing other work but expensesand cost will be much greater

example now I am know expert but all the search aircraft will be flying extra hours and that brings into service costs and many parts of air craft have to be replaced when they reach x amount of hour s

and I would not like the fuel bill I bet there will be a blow out in that budget

The one thing which will be a great advantage is the experience the search staff gain and extra knowledge will be a huge possitive

Just sitting down and working out where to go next will be for some a entirly new experience and only done in training

we do have to look at the positive side of things cannot just look at the negitive

In terms of Australia's contribution It isn't costing us much.
We have sent 2 Orion aircraft Which would most likely have 2 flight crew, and up to 6 Airborne Electronic Analysts in each plane.
Whether they are looking for the missing plane or not the planes would be in the air because the air force use them to detect boat people on a daily basis. They spend a lot of time monitoring Asian shipping corridors. So either way the planes cost us money, but as far as we know there could still be people alive that they are searching for.

[cram_it_frog]

I am sorry if it seemed negitive i was looking at the event as a whole the postive and negitive side of the really sad event

you will know that there has been several major crashes in the sea and it has taken time and new technology to be able to get the black boxes I can only hope if it has crashed it is not too deep and we get answers quicker than later

[gtfpv]

Originally Posted by womat

I am sorry if it seemed negitive i was looking at the event as a whole the postive and negitive side of the really sad event

you will know that there has been several major crashes in the sea and it has taken time and new technology to be able to get the black boxes I can only hope if it has crashed it is not too deep and we get answers quicker than later

dont worry , if you sounded negative . the guy that had a shot at you about it was more out of line than you were .

[cram_it_frog]

ray38l are they sending new aircraft to search the indian ocean now or is that the same aircraft moved down ?

the news said the they plan on looking into the indian ocean as well but are not sure exactly where to look at present.

[ray38l]

I think it is the same planes just looking where they think it could be now. The government is considering sending more.
It makes you wonder if the countries searching for the plane, had of been working together from the start, would we have found it already.

[cram_it_frog]

I think the most important thing now is to hope and pray that the entire situation is solved as soon as posible and then we can agrue till the cows come home about diferent ways to make sure that some thing like this does not happen again.

agreed?

[DreadlyST]

With where they are looking in those islands in the Indian Ocean, some of which are uninhabited, and some where you are not allowed on!
This sounds remarkably similar to the Plot of the TV show LOST!!!
Maybe this pilot was some nutjob LOST fan and he's had a go at a recreation!

[Road_Warrior]

Originally Posted by ray38l

I think it is the same planes just looking where they think it could be now. The government is considering sending more.
It makes you wonder if the countries searching for the plane, had of been working together from the start, would we have found it already.

I think we (Australia) need to up the ante a bit more now that the search is no longer confined to Malaysian waters or Malaysian airspace. We could sortie a submarine or two and a frigate from HMAS Stirling to see if they can pick up any transponder signals in deep water. We could also re-task the other AP-3 down here instead of continuing a red herring search in Malaysian waters.

[cheap]

Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

I think we (Australia) need to up the ante a bit more now that the search is no longer confined to Malaysian waters or Malaysian airspace. We could sortie a submarine or two and a frigate from HMAS Stirling to see if they can pick up any transponder signals in deep water. We could also re-task the other AP-3 down here instead of continuing a red herring search in Malaysian waters.

Given all the sabre rattling, it would be ironic if Australian Intelligence had already traced the flight path and signals and placed the plane in Indon's territorial waters - don't you think?

[FPVS3]

Originally Posted by psychobimbo

Do you mind if I add my two bob's worth in reply? And I am certainly no expert but do have a background in avionics engineering....



Depends on the autopilot system, but most modern planes (and I would assume this would include the B777) would be able to have 'waypoints' programmed into the autopilot system.

nstg8a was right, gravity takes care of the altitude issue. Just the same as your car does not increase altitude along a straight stretch of road due to the earth's curvature.

Also a pilot is still able to change heading and pitch (attitude) even with the autopliot engaged by use of the 'bug' on the Attitude Heading Reference System (AHRS) which would be built into the B777's Electronic Flight Instrumentation System (EFIS).

Hope that helps.

Craig H

At the beginning of the flight usually the flight plan for that particular flight is downloaded from satelite. The pilot loading the FMC then puts in the SID (departure) so that all the waypoints are in for the entire flight to the destination. LNAV (lateral navigation) then engages after T/O and the aircraft will follow all the waypoints to the destination. Approaching the destination the flying pilot will put in the STAR (arrival) and the instrument approach. SIDs and STARs are just more waypoints. Usually the aircraft is climbed by the pilots at times when the FMC sez the optimum altitude is higher. This is due to the aircraft getting lighter with fuel burn off. It is actually illegal for pilots to hand fly at cruise due to only 1000 ft separation vertically. The A/P does a better job of maintaining altitude.

[CoupeKing]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26610946

That southern projected flight path off the coast of WA, is incredibly close to 'Diamantina Deep', the deepest point in the Indian Ocean, over 8 Kilometers down. Something to think about.

[CoupeKing]

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/malays...ry?id=22887047

Few days old. On going terror trial. Briefly mentions a pilot and Malaysian terrorists intentions, even if it was 13 years ago.

[csv8]

A Hollywood stuntman, whose kung fu skills have been featured in films such as Fearless in which he doubled for martial arts actor Jet Li, is among the 239 passengers on a Malaysia Airlines flight that went missing more than a week ago.

Ju Kun was on his way to Beijing to see his two young children and intended to pick up materials for his current work project when MH370 disappeared on March 8, Malaysian tabloid The Star reported.

The 35-year-old was scheduled to work on a new Netflix and Weinstein Company series Marco Polo in Malaysia.
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[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by CoupeKing

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26610946

That southern projected flight path off the coast of WA, is incredibly close to 'Diamantina Deep', the deepest point in the Indian Ocean, over 8 Kilometers down. Something to think about.

Interesting, Google Sunda trench and have a look at its geographical position...

Smack bang where the plane is said to have flown to and is arguable the deepest part of the Indian ocean.

I smell a cover up, its conveniently where it cant be detected...

[Mainforcepatrol]

Have heard from the maintenance ground crews that handle the airline that it was carrying gold in its cargo.

[Sam_Boss260]

Originally Posted by Mainforcepatrol

Have heard from the maintenance ground crews that handle the airline that it was carrying gold in its cargo.

You for real?

[CoupeKing]

http://edition.cnn.com/video/data/2....-intv.cnn.html

Professor of electrical engineering explains how the plane could have avoided radar.

[Road_Warrior]

Here's an interesting theory from a person who reckons MH370 diverted at the same time a Europe-bound Singapore Airlines flight was moving through the area - and followed it to avoid radar

http://keithledgerwood.tumblr.com/po...ing-sia68-sq68

[XWGT]

Anyone like to speculate how many submarines were in those waters?
I'm not an expert but I believe subs have the best tracking abilities, and I'm sure someone has that flight in its data retention now?

[Tonz]

Be funny to find it sitting in the Pilbara area.

[ford71V8]

Langoliers

[GasoLane]

I heard Mercedes Corby is pretty ****ed because Chapelle wasn't involved...$$$$