F6X copied the TRD Hilux...

[5.4 GT]

I wondered where I had seen that stripe before... It's the same type of design (thin stripe around the edge with a thick central stripe that has the models name in it and even the placement of it on the doors is similar), which makes sense seeing Prodrive is in charge of both companies.









The TRD Hilux has more FPV DNA than the F6X!! Just look at that front bar. It has the same type of triangular cuouts each side of the lower grey piece of the bumper. Also has the same type of grey foglight surrounds.

[Shaggzy]

Thats kind of wierd that the hilux semms more FPV than the territory is!!

[Laminge]

Bloody poor form from FPV if thats the final overall design, the stripe has me amused though.

[Fev]

ahaha thats so true!! someone write a Shame Shame letter to FPV

[boss-290]

That Hilux is sweet

[Windsor220]

The F6X actually looks ok when compared to the TRD.

Hilux looks like a bad rice job.

[Grunter]

The irony is not lost on me in that the new kid on the block TRD has managed to carry it's external styling "DNA" across from it's sedan to it's 4WD ute, and FPV with it's "total performance" has not.

[Kryton]

Guess which brand was also first to use the GTP badge as well.
it wasnt Ford.

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by davway

Guess which brand was also first to use the GTP badge as well.
it wasnt Ford.

That was on a camry with NO pedigree though

[WindsorXR]

Who cares! If you like the F6-X, go buy one! If you don't like it, Stop wingeing, don't buy one and buy a GT, Typhoon or XR8. Or you could even buy a Territory,put 20's under it with airbags a GT-P engine and then spend $3000 or so and custom build a body kit to your style ,then go over the interior in nice smart coloured cow hyde.

[Laminge]

Originally Posted by WhatsMyUserName

Who cares! If you like the F6-X, go buy one! If you don't like it, Stop wingeing, ...

I think one misses the whole concept of what discussion is about, or should we just delete your post because we dont care as well?

[WindsorXR]

The whole point is that FPV have tried to make a great product on a budget that appeals to all type off people and try to make it good for everyone.I work at Ford and it sort of annoys me when people don't think that we are trying hard enough to get good cars out there with in a price range that people will actually accept without critisism.

[vanman_75]

Originally Posted by BMX_datto

Thats kind of wierd that the hilux semms more FPV than the territory is!!

and the territory looks like a subaru with that scoop : they are a nice ride them terris

[walker]

the wheels on that territory look like arss along with the side steps and the sexy stripe down the the side

[Laminge]

Umm

Good cars, rust, cheap plastics, removed bulbs, etc etc

Have a look around the site a bit more... not all doom and gloom but certainly in indication that hell is starting freeze

[Redrum]

I must say, that hilux, with the red, the dark windows and black bits and pieces looks the goods. Is this vehicle going to be released? I have seen a couple of Hilux's locally with the big wheels, the dark windows and lowered and they look the goods.

[Nikked]

FPV copied TRD? I thought the F6-X stripe was ripped from a Targa Florio to be honest

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by WhatsMyUserName

The whole point is that FPV have tried to make a great product on a budget that appeals to all type off people and try to make it good for everyone.I work at Ford and it sort of annoys me when people don't think that we are trying hard enough to get good cars out there with in a price range that people will actually accept without critisism.

A good product, bolt some brakes on, get some shoddy wheels and pay a sign writer to make a dodgie looking $5 sticker....... The problem is the F6X is a step backwards. The TTG looks far better and costs a lot less. If someone is going to pay an extra 15k or so extra they want return. They want something that visually looks great!! And this crap about having FPV's that don't stand out, sleepers, history has proven, with early T series and Force series that they just don't sell. The people that buy those sort of cars buy Lexus, BMW and Mercedes. FPV and a few others just never seem to get this through their heads.

[5.4 GT]

Originally Posted by Nikked

FPV copied TRD? I thought the F6-X stripe was ripped from a Targa Florio to be honest

HAHA

It just gets better and better....

[CAT600]

Originally Posted by WhatsMyUserName

The whole point is that FPV have tried to make a great product on a budget that appeals to all type off people and try to make it good for everyone.I work at Ford and it sort of annoys me when people don't think that we are trying hard enough to get good cars out there with in a price range that people will actually accept without critisism.

Hold up.

While we, as enthusiast are more critical of Ford/FPV offerings than the average punter, we also notice and appreciate more of the little differences between Ford and FPV's "competitive offerings" and appreciate them. Lets go through the points that separate the two sedans, and the two SUV's:

First, XR6T vs the F6 at 18K difference.

Badge,
Bodykit,
Brakes,
Interior,
Intercooler,
Oil cooler,
Tune,
Wheels (18" vs 19")

Conclusion: People who walk in off the street and see an F6 parked next to an XR6T will see where the money has gone.

Now take the F6X and the TTG, with about 10K difference:

Badge,
Brakes (only fronts upgraded from an already good setup),
Interior (dash is worse, seats are debatable),
Tune.

Conclusion: The same people will look at an F6X and a TTG and wonder "why bother"

There is a reason people on here are left wondering about FPV's desicion, for the most, it's negative and for good reason.

I have read and understood other members arguments on things like tooling for specific bumpers and such, but a good set of 19" or 20" rims (with 255's Front/285's Rear), coupled with mirror highlights done in the "Molten Metal" theme, a subtle flare kit comprising sill extensions featuring "FPV flutes" again, done in "Molten Metal" would have been far more effective in keeping the F6X inline with FPV's DNA, without breaking the bank. Most people who seriously considered this vehicle would have shelled another 5K on it to get the real deal. Even if FPV only recovered 20% of the extra $5000 per unit in R&D costs over it's projected 1000 unit run, thats another $1,000,000 to pay for development of a flare kit and prototypes, testing and calibration for bigger rims/tyres. Thats double what they spent on the whole car.

It's such a let down.

Daniel

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by Redrum

I must say, that hilux, with the red, the dark windows and black bits and pieces looks the goods. Is this vehicle going to be released? I have seen a couple of Hilux's locally with the big wheels, the dark windows and lowered and they look the goods.

Yeah mate it is going to be released. I think with power somewhere around 220kw-240kw i think, correct me if im wrong

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by Nikked

FPV copied TRD?

Don't forget prodrive assemble the TRD vehicles...

Put the Hilux next to the Terri and ask your wife which one she'd rather drive...
I think some have lost sight at where the FPV terri is largely aimed at.

[5.4 GT]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Put the Hilux next to the Terri and ask your wife which one she'd rather drive...

Put the F6X next to a TTG and ask the same question...

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by DaveO_SP

Put the F6X next to a TTG and ask the same question...

Yep, but at least the F6X is subtle enough to get the deal across the line if hubby really wants a bit more bang for his buck....
Like it or not i believe the F6X is FPV's first real attempt to target the female vote...

[CAT600]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Put the Hilux next to the Terri and ask your wife which one she'd rather drive...
I think some have lost sight at where the FPV terri is largely aimed at.

Her answer would be "Go back to Ford and get the Territory Turbo Ghia, why are you wasting $10000 on an engine upgrade and red brakes.....nag........nag......nag"

4Vman, the F6X was never aimed at well heeled wives. They will aim lower at TTG or just plain Territory Ghia, or higher up at Q7, X5, M Class. Trust me, I know........... :

F6X was/is aimed at either the one car families (with an FPV male wanting the weekend toy option), or an older male with FPV in his sights, but a stiff back stopping him stooping into the car. Don't laugh, my old man is scenario 2, and never drives his F6 anymore :- The TTG is the best car he has ever owned, and he was going to merge them both into a new F6X.......until I showed him the BMS photo's that is.

Daniel

[CAT600]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Yep, but at least the F6X is subtle enough to get the deal across the line if hubby really wants a bit more bang for his buck....

OK, we are on the same page.

Daniel

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by CAT600

Hold up.

While we, as enthusiast are more critical of Ford/FPV offerings than the average punter, we also notice and appreciate more of the little differences between Ford and FPV's "competitive offerings" and appreciate them. Lets go through the points that separate the two sedans, and the two SUV's:

First, XR6T vs the F6 at 18K difference.

Badge,
Bodykit,
Brakes,
Interior,
Intercooler,
Oil cooler,
Tune,
Wheels (18" vs 19")

Conclusion: People who walk in off the street and see an F6 parked next to an XR6T will see where the money has gone.

Now take the F6X and the TTG, with about 10K difference:

Badge,
Brakes (only fronts upgraded from an already good setup),
Interior (dash is worse, seats are debatable),
Tune.

Conclusion: The same people will look at an F6X and a TTG and wonder "why bother"



Daniel

F6-X does have a nice interior IMO. But youron the money, and the F6-x is FPV's most expensive car (according to carsales.com), but doesn't look it...

If (some) poeple wanted the subtle appearance they will buy a TTG, part of the reason for buying a FPV is that it offers performance and a different look to the other models.

[vanman_75]

thats odd with the wife thing. mine just wants a force 8 or gt ! my missus would be looking at it while we signed the papers for the cheaper 1. she does have style lol!

[Bossxr8]

The most ridiculous thing is that the TRD Hilux has 19 inch wheels, and FPV say they couldn't find suitable rubber to fit bigger wheels. BS. Just too cheap to do it. You can't tell me Toyota will sell more Hiluxs then FPV will sell F6X's.

[Poetic Justice]

19" wheels? Are you sure? The picture doesn't look like it and nor did the car when I saw it at MMS 2007