Rust Stop Electronic Protection

[xr8cam]

After cleaning up some rust in my AU and reading some of the problems other AU owners have had, I have been looking into these kits on ebay- item no 290867414830. There is a 30 minute video at the bottom of the ebay page where the guy demonstrates fitting & how it works. Anybody got one, used one, know somebody with one? They are a very reasonable price, especially if they work

[ozpacman]

I've heard that they work best when fitted in conjunction with a Hiclone and an Energy Polariser...

[Pepscobra]

Not sure about that particular one, but I've fitted a CouplerTech unit nine years ago to my FPV.
To this day, not a spec of rust anywhere on the body. I can't say for sure it's because of this device, but hey, it wasn't that expensive, so why not.

[aussiblue]

Pure quackery see previous discussions http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11444000 and also see http://www.commerce.wa.gov.au/announ...ces-ceci-units

[pursuit57]

Originally Posted by ozpacman

I've heard that they work best when fitted in conjunction with a Hiclone and an Energy Polariser...

Hey ! don't knock these fella...got both on my mower....

[ebxr8240]

Originally Posted by pursuit57

Hey ! don't knock these fella...got both on my mower....

Yea only need to cut the lawns monthly .. Lol

[Bushbasher]

Had a Couplertec on our AU wagon and even after 9 years parked outside and 400k the paint still came up with a shine and there was no rust. Got a different brand one on my Sportsman and the existing surface rust that was in some of the nooks and crannies still hasn't spread any further after 4 years of ownership and got one on my Delica and it's still rust free even though it goes on beaches every year.


Works for me.

[.:4:.]

You also have to take into account where you live. Example, I live on close to the toongabbie creek that is freshwater untill the weir at parramatta where it goes brackish. My mum lives on the parramatta river (she claims sydney harbour, but it's not) and I took her 2 year old stainless steel bbq that she didn't use and after replacing the few rusted out nuts and bolts at the time, it's got nothing on the bunnings spec non stainless replacements I put in 4 years ago. To further that, my dad lives on a headland on the south coast that cops pretty bad salt spray, and even an expensive stainless bbq only lasts 18 months to 2 years with a cover before they disintegrate. I can't say if these kits do or do not work, but no one has really shed much light on the conditions that the car lives in.

[Tassie f100]

Did see a report a few years ago where the person that had one fitted said the bolts mounting it to the body rusted and it fell off LOL!!

[Cobra]

Originally Posted by ozpacman

I've heard that they work best when fitted in conjunction with a Hiclone and an Energy Polariser...

LOL. Couldn't have said it better myself. They're a load of ****.

[Cobra]

Originally Posted by Bushbasher

Had a Couplertec on our AU wagon and even after 9 years parked outside and 400k the paint still came up with a shine and there was no rust. Got a different brand one on my Sportsman and the existing surface rust that was in some of the nooks and crannies still hasn't spread any further after 4 years of ownership and got one on my Delica and it's still rust free even though it goes on beaches every year.


Works for me.

No offence, but it's this kind of anecdotal testimony which these companies depend on. Circumstantial evidence is inadmissible. I'm not doubting what you say, but I'm sure there's more to it.

[xr8cam]

I have filed back, treated with rust convertor and painted about 5 small areas of rust and sprayed a fish oil combination in to a few places. Iv'e washed out all channels under rubbers and waxed them when dry. I live in the hills district in Sydney but the car spent a couple of years close to the water before being locked in a garage in s/west sydney. I was interested in these devices because of the small rust that was in the car when I bought it. I reckon I'll keep an eye on the notorious places, keep her washed & polished, out of the rain and put the $250 in the bank. Thanks for all the replys, and the jokes were good, especially the energy polariser on the lawnmower. Classic.

[Bushbasher]

Originally Posted by Cobra

No offence, but it's this kind of anecdotal testimony which these companies depend on. Circumstantial evidence is inadmissible. I'm not doubting what you say, but I'm sure there's more to it.

I live within sight of the sea and all my vehicles pretty much live outside. I fitted the units myself as per instructions supplied. I deliberately bought different brands of ERPS units to see if there was a difference and if there was a difference in the vehicles after a time and all 3 vehicles have stood up. The Couplertec is currently sitting in the shed as we sold the AU wagon but will be fitted to the next long term vehicle we buy.
I can't imagine what more there can be to it than what I've said. None of the cars have extra rust protection of fish oil etc. The white wagon still held a shine after 10 years, the delica is a 94 grey import and is showiing no signs of deterioration but the Fairlane is showing signs of sunburn on it's upper surfaces, but no rust that I have come across apart from the surface rust around the panel joints where the boot/rear quarter/C pillar meet that was already there when I bought the car.
I'm not going to defend ERPS units as a whole as there are too many that prove to be crap, but there are also some that you rarely hear bad things about, all I know is the ones I looked into and bought seem to work for me.

[Cobra]

Originally Posted by Bushbasher

I live within sight of the sea and all my vehicles pretty much live outside. I fitted the units myself as per instructions supplied. I deliberately bought different brands of ERPS units to see if there was a difference and if there was a difference in the vehicles after a time and all 3 vehicles have stood up. The Couplertec is currently sitting in the shed as we sold the AU wagon but will be fitted to the next long term vehicle we buy.
I can't imagine what more there can be to it than what I've said. None of the cars have extra rust protection of fish oil etc. The white wagon still held a shine after 10 years, the delica is a 94 grey import and is showiing no signs of deterioration but the Fairlane is showing signs of sunburn on it's upper surfaces, but no rust that I have come across apart from the surface rust around the panel joints where the boot/rear quarter/C pillar meet that was already there when I bought the car.
I'm not going to defend ERPS units as a whole as there are too many that prove to be crap, but there are also some that you rarely hear bad things about, all I know is the ones I looked into and bought seem to work for me.

No worries, mate. But do you understand the science behind how these things supposedly work?

[Pedro]

Originally Posted by Bushbasher

I live within sight of the sea and all my vehicles pretty much live outside. I fitted the units myself as per instructions supplied. I deliberately bought different brands of ERPS units to see if there was a difference and if there was a difference in the vehicles after a time and all 3 vehicles have stood up. The Couplertec is currently sitting in the shed as we sold the AU wagon but will be fitted to the next long term vehicle we buy.
I can't imagine what more there can be to it than what I've said. None of the cars have extra rust protection of fish oil etc. The white wagon still held a shine after 10 years, the delica is a 94 grey import and is showiing no signs of deterioration but the Fairlane is showing signs of sunburn on it's upper surfaces, but no rust that I have come across apart from the surface rust around the panel joints where the boot/rear quarter/C pillar meet that was already there when I bought the car.
I'm not going to defend ERPS units as a whole as there are too many that prove to be crap, but there are also some that you rarely hear bad things about, all I know is the ones I looked into and bought seem to work for me.

A close mate of mine introduced electronic rust prevention systems to Australia and I personally met the American inventor. Over a two years period, I witnessed his product prevent rust on a Toyota Troopy that was regularly driven into the sea to haul out mullet nets. All previous Troopy's used by this fisherman had developed serious rust within that period and were trash after 4 years. ERPS are not meant to halt rust that is already present. There are many copies of his original on the market today and most are just scams. I've seen too many misinformed comments on these devices and am not interested in having an argument here, so won't be returning to this thread.

[aussiblue]

and I personally met the American inventor

He probably got done by the FTC https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/pres...-prohibits-use

[uniacidz]

I used one on my EL XR6 and lived within 15kms from beach but never had rust.

Mum has one in her car in which dad installed, been on the beach now for about 12year, no kidding a stone throw direct line of sight to beach and uses electronic rust prevention.

Looks as new as the day of purchase. Not a sign of rust

I reckon they work

[EgoFG]

So the sacrificial anode is OK, but these things are not ... I assumed that they were a sacrificial anode in a box, and the limit in their function was tied only to the electrical connection of the panels in the vehicle ... please tell me where I am wrong.

[NTF6]

Originally Posted by Pedro

A close mate of mine introduced electronic rust prevention systems to Australia and I personally met the American inventor. Over a two years period, I witnessed his product prevent rust on a Toyota Troopy that was regularly driven into the sea to haul out mullet nets. All previous Troopy's used by this fisherman had developed serious rust within that period and were trash after 4 years. ERPS are not meant to halt rust that is already present. There are many copies of his original on the market today and most are just scams. I've seen too many misinformed comments on these devices and am not interested in having an argument here, so won't be returning to this thread.

Don't bother even getting on here with your useless 2 cents then, obviously you reckon they work but aren't prepared to discuss it with someone who disagrees!


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[NTF6]

Originally Posted by Bushbasher

Had a Couplertec on our AU wagon and even after 9 years parked outside and 400k the paint still came up with a shine and there was no rust. Got a different brand one on my Sportsman and the existing surface rust that was in some of the nooks and crannies still hasn't spread any further after 4 years of ownership and got one on my Delica and it's still rust free even though it goes on beaches every year.


Works for me.

Not really too sure that the paint comes up with a shine still is an endorsement for a rust preventing device.


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[aussiblue]

So the sacrificial anode is OK, but these things are not ... I assumed that they were a sacrificial anode in a box, and the limit in their function was tied only to the electrical connection of the panels in the vehicle ... please tell me where I am wrong.

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathodic_protection

In simple terms in most real world applications for or a sacrificial anode to work the metal object an the anode has to be immersed in a conductive liquid like seawater. So yes if you throw the car in the ocean and keep the battery on dry land it may work. The less used anodic protection has possibly more potential.

However, this para in the Wikipedia article is interesting if it is true:

The Auto Saver System underwent new and independent laboratory testing in 2007, commissioned by Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada. The test was conducted by an ISO accredited laboratory[39] under government oversight to ensure full legal and regulatory compliance, and was designed by an independent corrosion engineer from McGill University and NACE member[40] to determine if The Auto Saver System inhibits corrosion in vehicles.[41] The results clearly demonstrated that The Auto Saver System significantly inhibits the natural corrosion process occurring in automobiles,[42] and have been validated by leading corrosion engineers and scientists[43] in the United States and Canada, as well as by the Government of Canada.[44]

I remain sceptical and shall investigate these assertions to the extent I can.

[cs123]

Originally Posted by aussiblue

I remain sceptical and shall investigate these assertions to the extent I can.

http://www.autosaver.com.au/tass_works.htm

The Auto Saver System is designed with integrated circuits and silicone chips.

and

The Auto Saver System provides an artificial barrier of electrons to restore the electrical imbalance that occurs at potential rust sites.

Sounds like a polariser.....

[aussiblue]

OK as I read it the references in the Wikipedia articles essentially say it can provide some protection to partially wet panels and/or those exposed to aqueous salt solution. So perhaps is snow and salted roads Canada or some similar situation (close to the beach) where the car body remains moist it might be useful.

In any event there is an advantage in having one if it comes with an insurance company unconditional guarantee; as then you are effectively buying one as an insurance policy against the cost of rust repairs.

[Express]

Put a sticker like one of these on it and all won’t be lost.

It may not stop rust but a thief will definitely take time to think.

[sellery]

I've been inclined to accept the technology after attempting to use one to slow down the process on an already rusty car. After having it on the car for a couple of years I didn't think it was doing much, but when I parked the car for 6 months (under cover, dry climate) with the battery disconnected, the corrosion really took off.

[aussiblue]

but when I parked the car for 6 months (under cover, dry climate) with the battery disconnected, the corrosion really took off.

Parked cars always do that; a combination of nothing to keep the car warm and dry and condensation.

[Kryton]

Unless your car is a boat that lives in water, it doesnt work.

[DJR-351]

Originally Posted by Kryton

Unless your car is a boat that lives in water, it doesnt work.

It doesn't work on steel boats that spend all there lives in water, salt or otherwise. If it did shipping companies worldwide would be using it, if it did work they would collectively save multiple millions a year on chipping/painting and steel replacement......

[Tassie f100]

This electronic corrosion control system will work if,like similiar systems.the operator is prepared to spend about 25 hrs per day 8 days per week applying snake oil to the effected metal parts

[kcodezd]

Originally Posted by .:4:.

You also have to take into account where you live. Example, I live on close to the toongabbie creek that is freshwater untill the weir at parramatta where it goes brackish. My mum lives on the parramatta river (she claims sydney harbour, but it's not) and I took her 2 year old stainless steel bbq that she didn't use and after replacing the few rusted out nuts and bolts at the time, it's got nothing on the bunnings spec non stainless replacements I put in 4 years ago. To further that, my dad lives on a headland on the south coast that cops pretty bad salt spray, and even an expensive stainless bbq only lasts 18 months to 2 years with a cover before they disintegrate. I can't say if these kits do or do not work, but no one has really shed much light on the conditions that the car lives in.

I think the real test would be to put one on a bbq.