The little EB that could - EL Engine Transplant, ironing out the bugs

Nemesis · 29-03-2005, 12:28 PM

hi all

i have been browsing these forums in all its locations ever since i got my EB back around 3 to 4 years ago, and has been a massive help in all ive done to my car. So far, i have put on extractors + exhaust, converted it to manual, clear indicators and side repeators, S-Pack instrument cluster, $3500 worth of custom stereo install and recently lowered springs/shocks and 17" mags.

now, for the mother of all mods, i decided to replace my tiring EB engine with the more powerful EL setup.

I sourced a complete EL conversion kit from a wrecker out of an EL GLi with rear-end damage, which included the engine, all 'hanging' parts off it, wiring looms, ECU, and airbox/radiator/thermofans. Myself and stepfather have installed it all (he was a mechanic about 7-10 yrs ago) and got it all firing and working, using all EL parts, which included custom aircon hoses, splicing the EB dash looms into the EL engine/ECU looms. The problems i have tho, is that its running a little bit rich, and the thermofans are on 100% all the time, as well as the idle being a little bit high. My theory at the minute, is that it is in self test mode... does this sound like symptoms for that mode? if so, does anyone know how/can direct me to instructions on how to clear self test mode or the pinouts for the self test connector for EB and EL?

if anyone has any other ideas on what it could be, i would love to know, and if anyone has any questions, dont hesitate to ask

i love these forums, and will be doing a bit of a write-up once i have it all finalised with some pics

cheers guys
Adrian

stockstandard · 29-03-2005, 12:34 PM

Are you running the EB or EL computer? I would be looking for vacuum leaks to fix up the rich running, and the screw on the side of the TB to lower the idle speed

I had a problem with the fans being on 100% after the manual conversion in my EF. Eventually found that the problem would go away if I put the fuse back in for the auto gearbox (I had taken it out to fill another hole), so I guess the controller must hang of that circuit. Might be worth looking at.

Nemesis · 29-03-2005, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by stockstandard

Are you running the EB or EL computer? I would be looking for vacuum leaks to fix up the rich running, and the screw on the side of the TB to lower the idle speed

I had a problem with the fans being on 100% after the manual conversion in my EF. Eventually found that the problem would go away if I put the fuse back in for the auto gearbox (I had taken it out to fill another hole), so I guess the controller must hang of that circuit. Might be worth looking at.

thanks for the reply

i have checked all the vacuum leaks, and did have one at the base of the inlet manifold which is now fixed, but i havent got a Airbox flow sensor, is this required for the ECU to determain the amount of fuel it dumps in?

i think the Idle motor might be fubar, because if you tap it with a screwdriver the idle changes... might go swap it at the wreckers

fuse in the auto box fuseholder? i will check that, it sounds weird, but makes sense

at present i have just unplugged one of the fans and that seems to let it heat up to normal temp ok.

thanks again for the help

sr180 · 29-03-2005, 03:19 PM

Ford i6 engines dont have an air flow sensor. They use a MAP sensor to calculate how much fuel to add in.

NZ · 29-03-2005, 07:10 PM

run a manual computer if you aren't already. The lack of a transmission temp sensor will make the fans run at full speed and will cause high idling

Damo · 29-03-2005, 07:54 PM

Welcome to the forums. I'll leave the advice to the more mechanicaly minded.

Did you useto browse ford.i8.com ?

Damian.

EDXR8 · 29-03-2005, 08:01 PM

The fans running all the time shows the computer is in limp home or fault mode. This will cause high idle, a rich mixture and low timing advance. You need to run the fault codes of the EEC, this should tell you what is causing the fault, or at least give you a starting point.

Nemesis · 29-03-2005, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by EDXR8

The fans running all the time shows the computer is in limp home or fault mode. This will cause high idle, a rich mixture and low timing advance. You need to run the fault codes of the EEC, this should tell you what is causing the fault, or at least give you a starting point.

we thought this might be the case, the problem is that i cannot find any info on how to read the codes from the ECU or test plug, and the ford dealership in my town for want of a better word are pricks :(

do you know of anywhere online / books that will have this info in it?

thanks everyone for the ideas - i will investigate the manual ECU too...

Nemesis · 29-03-2005, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Damo

Welcome to the forums. I'll leave the advice to the more mechanicaly minded.

Did you useto browse ford.i8.com ?

Damian.

i certainly did, about 3 or 4 yr ago ... its what made me choose an EB over a VP Commo... more potential and better cars
i dont regret my decision

b2tf · 29-03-2005, 08:14 PM

are you the guy from wagga?

Nemesis · 29-03-2005, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by back2thefutura

are you the guy from wagga?

i sure am

how do you know that

: and why do you ask

b2tf · 29-03-2005, 08:44 PM

hehehe, saw you on the old forums and i think ive seen your car around. does it have a jetpilot sticker on the back window?

im from junee but i spend about 99% of my time in wagga, used to work in spares at Hillis for a brief period of time too, before i got a better offer.

**Peuty** · 29-03-2005, 08:53 PM

Ahh took my advice and crossed over, good work.

Nemesis · 29-03-2005, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by back2thefutura

hehehe, saw you on the old forums and i think ive seen your car around. does it have a jetpilot sticker on the back window?

im from junee but i spend about 99% of my time in wagga, used to work in spares at Hillis for a brief period of time too, before i got a better offer.

nah no sticker on the back window, it looked very stock outside the car until i got the mags, its white, got a chipped front bumper, is EB GLi, clear indicators and is always dirty, and has a 3 inch round tip. give a toot if you see me

Nemesis · 04-04-2005, 12:44 PM

ok well i cleared my fault codes on the weekend, and it runs a little bit better, but still not at 100% yet.. does anyone know how i can read the fault codes when the car is in self-test mode?

thanks everyone for the help

b2tf · 04-04-2005, 01:12 PM

I think i know your numberplate.....start with XQ?

We're going to have a meet here soon so i'll keep you informed. Would be good to see what youve done to the car.

neil101 · 04-04-2005, 07:03 PM

You have pm.

Neil

Nemesis · 04-04-2005, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by back2thefutura

I think i know your numberplate.....start with XQ?

We're going to have a meet here soon so i'll keep you informed. Would be good to see what youve done to the car.

nah man.... SIL.... honk if you see me

and keep me informed about this planned meet