air intake

schuldiner · 19-08-2007, 10:28 PM

hey guys just looking at getting some more induction into my AU I6, i was originally going to go with the XR6T snorkel (don't want tickford wings) but i've seen some of you guy's with the G&D induction system, obviously this is the way to go to increase induction but how much are they worth compared to the price i would be looking at for the XR6T snorkel($65ish from what i've gathered) ? price will be a deciding factor of whether i go for the el cheapo option or whether to save up my hard earned to get myself a much better induction system. any help would be appreciated.

private9 · 19-08-2007, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by schuldiner

hey guys just looking at getting some more induction into my AU I6, i was originally going to go with the XR6T snorkel (don't want tickford wings) but i've seen some of you guy's with the G&D induction system, obviously this is the way to go to increase induction but how much are they worth compared to the price i would be looking at for the XR6T snorkel($65ish from what i've gathered) ? price will be a deciding factor of whether i go for the el cheapo option or whether to save up my hard earned to get myself a much better induction system. any help would be appreciated.

Wings make your car go harder - worth at least 25rwkw on the dyno, and I found mine won't drive in a straight line under full throttle since I swapped the XR6T snorkel for the Tickford one.

XR6T snorkel is around $40 or under new from Ford (varies by dealership and day), whereas the G&D setup is around $600.

Those who have the G&D setup or similar, absolutely swear by them, and those that don't bag them as ludicrously overpriced and useless. Most people seem to get results from them though!

schuldiner · 19-08-2007, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by private9

Wings make your car go harder - worth at least 25rwkw on the dyno, and I found mine won't drive in a straight line under full throttle since I swapped the XR6T snorkel for the Tickford one.

XR6T snorkel is around $40 or under new from Ford (varies by dealership and day), whereas the G&D setup is around $600.

Those who have the G&D setup or similar, absolutely swear by them, and those that don't bag them as ludicrously overpriced and useless. Most people seem to get results from them though!

wait, i don't think i said it quite right, i meant i want the XR6T snorkel because it doesn't have the wings but is the same size as the XR snorkel, i don't own a tickford and don't want to pretend my car is something it's not:P i have a mate who works at ford and, funnily enough, he suggested i go to FTG Auto salvage as the cheapest he can get them for is $90. now i believe you need a tune to go along with the G&D type intake. to make full use of this how much would i be looking at? ballpark figure. i already have pacemakers and a 2.5" exhaust so no need to factor that into the price as i know they are necessary also. cheers guys.

private9 · 19-08-2007, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by schuldiner

wait, i don't think i said it quite right, i meant i want the XR6T snorkel because it doesn't have the wings but is the same size as the XR snorkel, i don't own a tickford and don't want to pretend my car is something it's not:P i have a mate who works at ford and, funnily enough, he suggested i go to FTG Auto salvage as the cheapest he can get them for is $90. now i believe you need a tune to go along with the G&D type intake. to make full use of this how much would i be looking at? ballpark figure. i already have pacemakers and a 2.5" exhaust so no need to factor that into the price as i know they are necessary also. cheers guys.

It's ok, I was only stirring re the wings, I know you didn't want them!

The XR6T snorkels are like $45 new on ebay (search for wide mouth intake or something like that), and many people around here report paying anywhere from $20 to $50 from Ford. I personally paid $30 or so for mine new from Ford.

b2tf · 19-08-2007, 11:07 PM

Interesting thing these G&D boxes.

I dont deny for a second that there is a LOT of R&D gone into them but to me the prospect of spending $600 on an airbox (thats the sort of money a cam and parts kit would cost me, i know which id buy first) does not put it all that high on my list. But as has been said, those who have them swear by them, and I am very impressed with their fit, finish and functionality.

I think to be honest unless I was going all out and spending mega bucks on the car i.e doing the full top end (heads, cam, tune etc) i wouldnt buy one, but if my wallet was already open, Id probably throw one in. In terms of whether they are worth it or not, I dont really feel qualified to comment as Ive never had one on my car.

schuldiner · 19-08-2007, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by private9

It's ok, I was only stirring re the wings, I know you didn't want them!

The XR6T snorkels are like $45 new on ebay (search for wide mouth intake or something like that), and many people around here report paying anywhere from $20 to $50 from Ford. I personally paid $30 or so for mine new from Ford.

haha no worries, i have this problem where i tend to assume people know what i mean so i'm usually quick to correct myself rather than ""blame" someone for not understanding . yeah i find it weird how i've heard all these people on the forum say they got things real cheap from ford yet i seem to be getting back a completely different figure sometimes. supply and demand i suppose.

schuldiner · 19-08-2007, 11:18 PM

B2TF, without being smart with the cam work done wouldn't it possibly give you a slighty better increase with the G&D type induction than if you didn't have the cam done? i've just sorta figure that you should start at the beginning of the cycle to improve things. just my opinion on it anyways.

private9 · 19-08-2007, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by schuldiner

haha no worries, i have this problem where i tend to assume people know what i mean so i'm usually quick to correct myself rather than ""blame" someone for not understanding . yeah i find it weird how i've heard all these people on the forum say they got things real cheap from ford yet i seem to be getting back a completely different figure sometimes. supply and demand i suppose.

I am exactly the same!

When I first went to buy an XR6T snorkel, it was because someone had one for around $100 secondhand on the forums! I rang up Ford, and did get varying quotes, but the more dealers I rang, the cheaper it got, until finally I got a price I liked, rang my local dealer and told them how much I could get it for from such and such dealer and the deal was done.

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Originally Posted by b2tf

Interesting thing these G&D boxes.

I dont deny for a second that there is a LOT of R&D gone into them but to me the prospect of spending $600 on an airbox (thats the sort of money a cam and parts kit would cost me, i know which id buy first) does not put it all that high on my list. But as has been said, those who have them swear by them, and I am very impressed with their fit, finish and functionality.

I think to be honest unless I was going all out and spending mega bucks on the car i.e doing the full top end (heads, cam, tune etc) i wouldnt buy one, but if my wallet was already open, Id probably throw one in. In terms of whether they are worth it or not, I dont really feel qualified to comment as Ive never had one on my car.

Agree 100% - definitely a quality product, but to me alot of money when I've still got plenty of basics to do.

schuldiner · 19-08-2007, 11:45 PM

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Ford-EF-EL-AU...QQcmdZViewItem now THAT seems a little steep for a bit of plastic:P

private9 · 19-08-2007, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by schuldiner

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Ford-EF-EL-AU...QQcmdZViewItem now THAT seems a little steep for a bit of plastic:P

I personally wouldn't buy one, but those that have them do like them!

kenz · 20-08-2007, 07:10 AM

I got an xr6T snorkel about a month ago for $41 from ford. Now all I need is a high flow filter and that will do my induction setup for a while. Dont really think its worth spending bucketloads on it for the power increase gained taking in consideration the little amount of power I have anyway I suppose I dont need LOTS of induction anyway if you get what I mean

JC · 20-08-2007, 10:06 AM

ZHodak just fitted a 9" K&N pod to his car on the weekend, and found not very much difference from a K&N flat panel.

K&N flat panel over standard filter is a bigger difference, and probably all most of us need.

schuldiner · 20-08-2007, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by kenz

I dont need LOTS of induction anyway if you get what I mean

you can suck well enough for both you and the ute eh?

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falzoony · 20-08-2007, 05:40 PM

GUNEF just fitted that same style SS system to his ef and he swears by it. However he did get that done at the same time he put in a K&N flat panel, so he doesn't really know where the difference is coming from.

I have a XR6T snorkel and a K&N flat panel in my AU and the difference is minimal, but I'd I would definently suggest it.

kenz · 20-08-2007, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by schuldiner

you can suck well enough for both you and the ute eh?

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Luke just got

: i'll pay that one buddy not bad :P

schuldiner · 20-08-2007, 10:23 PM

yeah everybody seems to be happy with the XR larger intake and performance filter but i'm interested to know about the whole G&D type induction also mainly about power increase and generally how the car feels afterwards, but i guess i should put that on hold at least until i lower the ute and put some mags on her.

"i'm so quick i even scare meself" i think thats how it goes anyways haha

b2tf · 20-08-2007, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by schuldiner

yeah everybody seems to be happy with the XR larger intake and performance filter but i'm interested to know about the whole G&D type induction also mainly about power increase and generally how the car feels afterwards, but i guess i should put that on hold at least until i lower the ute and put some mags on her.

"i'm so quick i even scare meself" i think thats how it goes anyways haha

Ok to throw it at you another way - how much air is your engine going to need? If its relatively stock, the stock intake system will do the job fine. If its modded to the hilt, then consider upgrading it to a G&D etc.

Personally I think the stock system is more than adequate with a few upgrades (like bigger snorkel, typhoon intake, K&N etc) for the vast majority of cars. Its only when youre pushing big numbers that youre going to actually NEED a better intake system. Yeah you can put one on for the sake of putting one on but in terms of whether it was money well spent, I reiterate what I said in my above post.

schuldiner · 20-08-2007, 10:42 PM

that sounds fair so far i've gathered it's more the kind of mod you do to make the most of the rest of the mod's, well like i said anything like that will be a while off yet... the hard top i thought i wanted so bad just keeps getting pushed down the list haha

b2tf · 20-08-2007, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by schuldiner

that sounds fair so far i've gathered it's more the kind of mod you do to make the most of the rest of the mod's, well like i said anything like that will be a while off yet... the hard top i thought i wanted so bad just keeps getting pushed down the list haha

Well to give you an idea, for my ute, the airbox and a retune are basically at the bottom of the list. Mainly to make use of them once everything else is in.

Problem is that list seems to change a hell of a lot

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JC · 20-08-2007, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by b2tf

Ok to throw it at you another way - how much air is your engine going to need? If its relatively stock, the stock intake system will do the job fine. If its modded to the hilt, then consider upgrading it to a G&D etc.

Personally I think the stock system is more than adequate with a few upgrades (like bigger snorkel, typhoon intake, K&N etc) for the vast majority of cars. Its only when youre pushing big numbers that youre going to actually NEED a better intake system. Yeah you can put one on for the sake of putting one on but in terms of whether it was money well spent, I reiterate what I said in my above post.

I was just about to reply in the same vein.

BLACKAUXR8 · 20-08-2007, 11:13 PM

I cut a 4 inch hole in the front of my airbox. And went to the wreckers and bought the top of the airbox of an EL. were the maf goes in the piece that the maf bolts to i took it out. 4 little bolts and it fits snuggly in the 4 inch hole. I then put a 3 inch piece of stainless pipe into the new piece and it now has the tickfors snorkel (standard AUXR* one) and the 3 inch pipe sucking from behind the head light. It works well and gives an awsome induction noise. Have notice a big difference in mid range power. Thats what i did anyway.

51OAU · 21-08-2007, 12:10 AM

anybody got a pic of this G&D intake?

RG · 21-08-2007, 12:17 AM

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anybody got a pic of this G&D intake?

I do, check the link in my sig. I'd post them up in here but photobucket is down for maintainance atm.

schuldiner · 21-08-2007, 09:35 PM

the G&D intake definitely has a better look than standard. bottom line, does it actually increase power? i have decided that the performance filter and snorkel i was planinng to get will suffice, i don't think that with the Eegas you can cut a hole and stick pipe in there. when i serviced my AU after buying it i had the airbox separated and it ran like absolute crap (had it on the hoist not silly enough to drive like that). and with cutting a hole in the bottom won't that mean that your bypassing the filter altogether there? i know it's behind the headlight so it should be clean but still i'd be a little worried about that...

BLACKAUXR8 · 21-08-2007, 10:54 PM

the AUs suck from bottom to top. If you look at your standard one the snorkel goes into the bottom so the air will still flow through the filter. Although if its not an XR the headlight is solid and im not sure if you'd get much air in behind it. The XR's having the 2 lights get heaps of air in behind them. It works supprisingly well. The G&D one will give you a power increase but i understand you get more of an increase in throttle response and fuel economy. The fuel economy you gain it will pay for its self in a matter of months the way fuel is these days.

**Mechan1k** · 22-08-2007, 01:21 PM

I found after replacing the pipe from the airbox to the first bend on the intake there was a decent increase in power ... there's a major restriction in the airbox lid bellmouth ... internal diameter is close to 2" .. probably 2.25".

I got rid of this restriction and ran a straight 3" stainless steel pipe to the first bend ... and there was an increase from 112rwkw to 117rwkw (after cam install) ... so that's a 5rwkw increase (on an EGAS model ... that has a 55mm mixer ring restrictor in front of the throttle body too).

Try changing this on a petrol model ... and I'd dare say the increase will be more beneficial. It's a cheap mod as well ... I got my piece of pipe from Ricerbarn for about $30. Cheap for a 5rwkw increase in power.

You can spend more and replace the bend as well with silicon and a 90 deg mandrel piece as well ... and should be able to get more of an increase there as well. I haven't done it as yet as there's a bit of fiddling with cutting an what-not ... but hey ... if you like fiddling with that sort of stuff ... why not.

schuldiner · 23-08-2007, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mechan1k

I found after replacing the pipe from the airbox to the first bend on the intake there was a decent increase in power ... there's a major restriction in the airbox lid bellmouth ... internal diameter is close to 2" .. probably 2.25".

I got rid of this restriction and ran a straight 3" stainless steel pipe to the first bend ... and there was an increase from 112rwkw to 117rwkw (after cam install) ... so that's a 5rwkw increase (on an EGAS model ... that has a 55mm mixer ring restrictor in front of the throttle body too).

Try changing this on a petrol model ... and I'd dare say the increase will be more beneficial. It's a cheap mod as well ... I got my piece of pipe from Ricerbarn for about $30. Cheap for a 5rwkw increase in power.

You can spend more and replace the bend as well with silicon and a 90 deg mandrel piece as well ... and should be able to get more of an increase there as well. I haven't done it as yet as there's a bit of fiddling with cutting an what-not ... but hey ... if you like fiddling with that sort of stuff ... why not.

damn don't think we have any 3" stainless pipe at work, could've ended up being the cheapest mod i've done. speaking of the mixer ring, you reckon you would be able to get your mechanic to knock up a CAD drawing for me?:P or just a couple sketches and some measurements would be handy, i reckon i could make it relatively easily. might try the pipe this weekend along with a XR snorkel she shoot go much harder :evil3:

kenz · 23-08-2007, 06:15 PM

If you make a mixer ring and it works make sure you do a couple so everyone on team 'Egas Ute' has one ;)

ST · 23-08-2007, 08:19 PM

Putting this question in here so I don't have to start a new thread. I just put my new k&n panel filter in and when I put a bit of throttle into it (so a bit of air gets in it) there is a slight whistle. Is this supposed to happen? Haha I like it, it sounds like a really, really quiet turbo.

JC · 23-08-2007, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by RTSW

Putting this question in here so I don't have to start a new thread. I just put my new k&n panel filter in and when I put a bit of throttle into it (so a bit of air gets in it) there is a slight whistle. Is this supposed to happen? Haha I like it, it sounds like a really, really quiet turbo.

Yes, it's the sound of the solar winds entering your panel filter. If you like that noise, you should hear the sound a 9" K&N pod makes - about 3 times louder than the panel.