fairmont and fairmont ghia engines

[efgoofy]

can anyone say what the difference is, as they have a different output?

[Sagerian]

The Ghia's got the XR6 engine. For the EF at least it was 162Kw compared to 154KW from memory.

[NZ]

Basically an Xr6 engine and ecu calibration but with a quieter exhaust so hence 2kw less than the xr6 itself.

[PULLY6]

Did the 8's have any differences GLi ==> Ghia?

[Psycho Chicken]

Not in the engine, 3.45 LSD though.

[ilsautomotive]

It's worth adding this only applies to the series II.

[Kenaz]

Since the Ghia 6s got the XR6 engine, I don't see why the Ghia 8s shouldn't have got the XR8 engine :( Although I do like my 3.45 LSD :hihi:

[mcflux]

Damn! I didn't realise you had 3.45s mate :( I'm gonna get beaten at Heathcote! :

[Clarke AV]

It's air con

[JADED6]

Originally Posted by Kenaz

Since the Ghia 6s got the XR6 engine, I don't see why the Ghia 8s shouldn't have got the XR8 engine :( Although I do like my 3.45 LSD :hihi:

Really they do. Same Ol windsor.
Just the running gear it missed out on.

[ea_boss_05]

so was there a difference in the fairmont and the fairmont ghia engines on the EAII

[Kenaz]

Originally Posted by Ghia5L

Damn! I didn't realise you had 3.45s mate :( I'm gonna get beaten at Heathcote! :

Yes you will :evil_laug

[NZ]

shhesh you two gampa's won't know what hit ya when i suck your headlights out...

[LeadFoot81]

Has anyone here driven a standard 157kw EF etc or EF1 Ghia, back to back with a Series 2 XR6 engined Ghia? I'm interested to know how they compare, and how the Ghia compared to an EF XR6. I thought if you got a series 2 ghia, and added an exhaust + extractors ud have the equiv of an xr6, but with leather and electrics. However a mate of mine said the ghia with xr6 engine was nothing to rave about, i could pocket the money save buying a series 1, and tinker with the engine later on..

[EFFalcon]

Originally Posted by ea_boss_05

so was there a difference in the fairmont and the fairmont ghia engines on the EAII

only the fact that the Ghia for Multipoint injection standard, where as optional on the fairmont.

[EFFalcon]

Originally Posted by Inline6

Has anyone here driven a standard 157kw EF etc or EF1 Ghia, back to back with a Series 2 XR6 engined Ghia? I'm interested to know how they compare, and how the Ghia compared to an EF XR6. I thought if you got a series 2 ghia, and added an exhaust + extractors ud have the equiv of an xr6, but with leather and electrics. However a mate of mine said the ghia with xr6 engine was nothing to rave about, i could pocket the money save buying a series 1, and tinker with the engine later on..

basically, most of the difference you'll ever notice between a series 1 and series 2 ghia, is the diff ratio.
the extra ~5kw will barely be noticable.
and the ghia vs xr6 would feel fairly similar also due to the only differences being 2kw and a bit of extra weight.

get a series 2 ghia, add extractors and exhaust, and you'll have the equiv of an xr6 + exhaust and extractors.

the xr6 only got 2kw gain over the ghia, which was simply due to the slightly different exhaust, even the manifolds are the same.

[PULLY6]

Dont forget weight issues too. The Fairmont Ghia is about 80kg's heavier than the Fairmont, which is about 10kg's heavier than the XR6. (going on EL figures)

[LeadFoot81]

Originally Posted by EFFalcon

basically, most of the difference you'll ever notice between a series 1 and series 2 ghia, is the diff ratio.
the extra ~5kw will barely be noticable.
and the ghia vs xr6 would feel fairly similar also due to the only differences being 2kw and a bit of extra weight.

get a series 2 ghia, add extractors and exhaust, and you'll have the equiv of an xr6 + exhaust and extractors.

the xr6 only got 2kw gain over the ghia, which was simply due to the slightly different exhaust, even the manifolds are the same.

I was originally after an s2 ghia, but i found a mint s1 on gas, lowered/wheels/cat back zorst and couldnt say no. The price was good and my mate said if I was after real power I'd be better off hitting the 157kw donk with aftermarket cam/chip plus extractors, than with the Tickford motor.
7kw over the 157kw cars doesn't seem much for an EF XR6, do they go alrite?

[EFFalcon]

for a rough estimate, i've seen stock EL Ghias run 16.1 @ the drags, same strip, i've seen an EF XR6 run a 15.9
considering the slight weight difference and miniscule power differences, it seems pretty right.
as for that, a stock EF/EL would run around 16.5 at the same place.

as said, its not *really* the 7kw that gives the better feel, its the 3.45 LSD.

[Kenaz]

Originally Posted by NZ

shhesh you two gampa's won't know what hit ya when i suck your headlights out...

You'd want to be running quicker than you were last time mate, otherwise you might have to eat those words :

[Professor Farnsworth]

Speaking for the EL, the standard six has 157kw while the ghia has 162kw, xr6 has 165kw, the only difference to my knowledge bw the ghia and the xr6 is the level of exhaust baffling. Not 100% sure of how this relates to the EF, i was under the impression the series II EF Ghia had the xr6 red motor, giving it the same 5kw boost as the EL Ghia. Both the EF & EL Fairmont have the same 157kw engine as the GLi & Futura.

My EL s1 Ghia is powerful enough to drive, despite its currently leaky muffler, and with some exhaust & intake work, will hopefully gain about 15kw at the wheels. I'm looking at putting on a redback mandrel bend 2.5inch cat back system, with a stainless angle cut dual tip at the noisey end. Hopefully the oxygen sensor is still functional enough to pick up the easier flow, in turn giving a bit better economy & added power. Work in progress.

[jonbays]

In the EL the fairmont weighs in at 1580kg versus 1602kg for the Ghia.

Powerwise the XR6 engine in the Ghia was rated at 161Kw versus the stock 157kw.

The big difference was the auto ghia got the 3.45 diff ratio which with the XR6 engine did liven things up a lot.

The V8 ghias all go the 165kw engine and 3.23 diffs which were pretty ordinary. Only the EL XR8 got the quite decent 185kw engine and 3.45 diff.

[Kenaz]

Originally Posted by jonbays

The V8 ghias all go the 165kw engine and 3.23 diffs which were pretty ordinary. Only the EL XR8 got the quite decent 185kw engine and 3.45 diff.

Incorrect. EL Ghia V8s got 3.45 diffs ;)

[jonbays]

Kenaz you 've got one so you tell us how it is. Spec sheets said 3.23 for all I6 and V8 auto's and 3.45 for fairmont Ghia so I interpreted that as 3.23 for all V8's.

Oh and yes a typo its 162kw for the ghia.

[Kenaz]

On the brochure scans it says 3.45 for Fairmont Ghia. I read that as 3.45 for both I6 and V8. Could be wrong though...

[FRDXR6]

Originally Posted by Inline6

Has anyone here driven a standard 157kw EF etc or EF1 Ghia, back to back with a Series 2 XR6 engined Ghia? I'm interested to know how they compare, and how the Ghia compared to an EF XR6.

Probably not quite your after as its manual V Auto

Car 1 = EF1 Futura auto, 157kw, 3.08SS?
Car 2 = EF2 XR6 manual, 164kw, 3.45LSD (all factory)

My XR6 feels 10x better to drive than my brothers Futura. It would kill it off the line and it accelartes a lot harder. Also feels alot more responsive.

But i also hate the auto's so slowww and boring after the XR with 5speed and 3.45's :1syellow1

Also it handles a lot better than the futura but i guess that could be easily changed with a quailty spring/shock setup and i dont if its just me but the seating position is a lot better in the XR too.

[drftspec]

hey guys ,i had ef xr6 auto.........now got el fairmont 5 speed with minor mods [157kw standard]i can say my fairmont chops my old xr6,with out a doubt!

[drftspec]

anyone wanna buy 5 speed EL fairmont,minor mods?