More income, bigger fines !!

[TIKFD6]

Bloody Brack and his Stupid Government, the sooner they go the better.

[Tote]

Originally Posted by XRFPV8

Is this a Howard Government initiative or is the idea from the S.A. Government?
The reason i asked is Olympus is in S.A... not to sure if he is talking about his State or the Federal Government.
Looks like there all following Bracks..rip off the Motorist .
every State has a different amout of money for fines..

Its the "Australia Institute" that have released the discussion paper / headline grab, whoever the fsck they are.
heres a grab from their website, wonder who paid for their latest "research"
from: http://www.tai.org.au/

The Institute was launched in 1994 to develop and conduct research and policy analysis and to participate forcefully in public debates. In addition, the Institute undertakes research and analysis commissioned and paid for by government, business, unions and community organisations. Those involved in the Institute have each, from different viewpoints, been concerned about the impact on Australian society of the priority given to a narrow definition of economic efficiency over community, environmental and ethical considerations in public and private decision making. A better balance is urgently needed

regards,
Tote

[RED_EL_XR8]

Originally Posted by useless

Well what happens if you cop a loss of income one year? Do they refund per offence?: :

Now there is a a genius legal mind. Useless I'll pay you to represent me in court I'll want more dollers the faster I go.

[SpoolMan]

Originally Posted by Tote

Its the "Australia Institute" that have released the discussion paper / headline grab, whoever the fsck they are.
heres a grab from their website, wonder who paid for their latest "research"
from: http://www.tai.org.au/

The Institute was launched in 1994 to develop and conduct research and policy analysis and to participate forcefully in public debates. In addition, the Institute undertakes research and analysis commissioned and paid for by government, business, unions and community organisations. Those involved in the Institute have each, from different viewpoints, been concerned about the impact on Australian society of the priority given to a narrow definition of economic efficiency over community, environmental and ethical considerations in public and private decision making. A better balance is urgently needed

regards,
Tote

Thanks Tote, that explains everything..

[RPO83]

This institute obtains most of its funding from the ALP...nuff said.

[RED_EL_XR8]

Originally Posted by RPO83

This institute obtains most of its funding from the ALP...nuff said.

AI is like "Access Economics" with even less credibility. :

[Racecraft]

So not only do tax fiddlers get to keep a nice slice of income tax, the extra 10% GST put into their wallet, now they can save on speeding fines too...

What about rich kids, immigrants, drug dealers and criminals that have no recorded 'income'... Do they get a fine for zero dollars in the mail?

[NAK302]

this type of thing is typical when you have socialist governments in control of the purse strings.
i'd say this sliding scale fine system would lose in the courts based on discrimination.
on the other hand if you don't speed you have nothing to worry about.

[Yellow Fire]

No offence meant by this but I think some people need to think about why this story was created.

The gov't knew shows like ACA would put a negative spin on it so they're all too happy to stand up & say "no! of course we wouldn't do that!" when in reality they had no intention of ever doing it in the first place.

What shows like ACA should be attacking are things like speed cameras & the "speed kills" campaign. This story was put out as a distraction.

Or maybe I'm just too cynical...

[Phil]

Originally Posted by Racecraft

So not only do tax fiddlers get to keep a nice slice of income tax, the extra 10% GST put into their wallet, now they can save on speeding fines too...

What about rich kids, immigrants, drug dealers and criminals that have no recorded 'income'... Do they get a fine for zero dollars in the mail?

I work in Indonesia, so I actually have no income in Aust. and there are MANY more like me, so that would put me in the poorest of the poor ?

GOOD SYSTEM !! I like it so far, until I have to come back to Aust to work again.
Them pollies are smart people , NOT !!
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[WASP]

The proposed system is absolutely ridiculous.

Originally Posted by TIKFD6

Bloody Brack and his Stupid Government, the sooner they go the better.

The Labour Govt is apart of the Australian Communist Party . :

You can see where they are going with this.

Its not so much Bracks but the people behind the scene.

He is just the mud monkey that cant even put 2 words together.

Is this Aust wide or for only those poor pepople in Victoria

[Yagz]

Having a regressive system (sliding scale of fines) is just plain stupid. I earn less than $30,000 per annum, and a $75 fine will not deter me from driving faster and not worry about getting caught.. The reason the fines are big, is to deter people from speeding.

I think what many people are missing here, is the fact that the onus is on the DRIVER to make a decision on whether or not they sink the right boot in and risk losing their hard earned money ..

I think to make it work, they have to leave the fines as they are, but for people earning big money (150,000+) they have higher fines. This was, the pity $75 is abolished, and the standard fines are still in place to act as a deterant ..

[merlin]

Just because you earn a decent income doesn’t mean you don’t work hard for it – a lot of people earning decent money are so stressed out because of the pressure of these types of jobs – as far as I can see it is just another way to reward incompetent bludgers.

I earn a decent wage but I still find the current level of fines quite steep and a deterrent. Are they forgetting most people have kids, a mortgage and car repayments so they’re “big wage” really isn’t going to far is it!

That actually gives me an idea – Say two people earn $80,000 a year. Is it fair to charge Mr X (no kids) with a $800 speeding fine but charge My Y (with 3 kids) with the same $800 fine. Everyones situation is different.

One point the morons haven’t even thought of is this – if it really is to punish the filthy rich who speed around in 911 Porshes and Ferrarris (gee their everywhere) then don’t they realise these people probably wouldn’t have a reportable income? They are probably living off ‘old money’ or family money, if you can afford a ferrarri you can afford not to work.

[b2tf]

I'll go aganist the grain here and say that, if implemented correctly , this could be quite a good idea.

The problem here isnt the idea itself, its the infrastructure already in place - i.e. what you can and cant be fined for in the first place. I have nothing against people who work their guts out to earn mega salaries (if anything i have admiration), but if it takes pressure off say, mums who have to pay their kids fines etc, then im all for it.

[SVOPete]

The idea is just another wacky loony left proposal from the little commie academics (Australia Institue) and has not been proposed by any governments.

Bracks might implement for more revenue $$!! Who voted for him anyway?

[XWGT]

Originally Posted by back2thefutura

, but if it takes pressure off say, mums who have to pay their kids fines etc, then im all for it.

Um, nope, think you might be missing the point here

The debate is whether a fine is a deterant. In order for something to be a deterant it must have personal impact. If your mum is paying the fine, it dosnt matter how big it is or what its based on as it has no personal impact.

The whole idea is based on the principles of GST, which I like. The more you spend, the more tax you pay. Great idea and equal. Probably the same with traffic fines. However we all know the wealthiest individual in Australia pay no income tax, as they have trusts and company structures that endsure they dont. Hence, they would be paying nothing for their fines as there assessable income would be low. And how many auditors will be emplyed to check people income bracket claims when paying theri fine?

Not really fair, expensive to administer, and based on the notion that the law is fair and equitable in the first place, which we all know is not really the case particularly in sunny downtown MrGreeds ville.

[Olympus]

We use the same road with the same rules for everyone, in my opinion we should all be fined the same amount!

[Sprint_ED]

Yyay For Once Those Nazi's In Canbera Are Going 2 Cut Me Some Slack

[xdc351]

I see a number of people thought the same thing I did..... Welcome to the communist states of australia. The lucky country indeed.

If speeding is going to cause a big problem for you and you won't be able to buy food because of your fine.... don't speed in the first place. Of course in Vic that becomes harder to do because you can be fined for driving your car at what you believe is a legal speed. Strangely enough, the people least likely to be able to afford a speedomter accuracy test own cars with the most innaccurate speedo's. Just another day in the office for bracks and co.

Personally, I'd rather people launch a crusade about the most unfair stealth tax around... parking fines. But i'll just hope the massive backlash i dream about happens next election.

[RSgerry]

i believe that this has just been introduced in England, so we have every reason to be afraid. if you follow the logic that someone who earns more also has a more expensive car, then using that same logic, that more expensive car is probably safer than a cheaper car, and should therefore be allowed to travel at higher speeds.

this will be exceptionally difficicult to administer, and as someone else has alreacy noted, some of our richest members of society have a very small income.

poorly thought, unfair and divisive. yep, it has all the ingredients to allow it to be implemented.