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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...googlenews_wsj
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I think this is a pretty good article. It shines some positive light on some good things at Ford and it also lists a couple concerns. It could have been written in a worse way but it seems that it's author is not looking to villianize the UAW, just point out things about it that raise concern for him. I am good with that....for the most part. Quote:
I appreciate the author reiterating what Alan Mulally had stipulated about the latest profit results. Quote:
This was one of my points about the latest concession round. While Ford was attempting to compare the requested modifications to "Pattern Bargaining," the reality is that they wanted what the workers at the other companies were forced by the Government to accept to remain a viable company. There was no "bargaining" involved. Quote:
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Ford Sells 300 Million Shares to Fund UAW VEBA http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/for...fund-uaw-veba/ “Today’s equity offering is another example of the fast, decisive action we are taking as we build momentum on our plan, including further progress on improving our balance sheet.” Ford completes debt restructuring, reduces debt by $9.9 billion http://www.egmcartech.com/2009/04/06...by-99-billion/ FoMoCo announced today that it has successfully completed its debt restructuring reducing it by $9.9 billion from $25.8 billion on Dec. 31, 2008. This will reduce Ford’s annual cash interest expense by more than $500 million based on current interest rates. “By substantially reducing our debt, Ford is taking another step toward creating an exciting, viable enterprise,” said Ford President and CEO Alan Mulally. “As with our recent agreements with the UAW, Ford continues to lead the industry in taking the decisive actions necessary to weather the current downturn and deliver long-term profitable growth.” Ford is currently preparing for another stock offering. Quote:
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Somebody get me a glass of water.......I feel faint. Yeah, he actually put it in writing!!!! It's about time someone did. Quote:
This makes it sound like there is one man, in another far corner of the plant, who is the only one that can fix the machine. The reality is not like this. I believe some lines of demarcation can be relaxed, but there is much more involved to the implications of this than one would think. If anyone would like me to ellaborate on this just ask. However, I don't think merely making one "Mechanical" classification is the solution. That's like putting all motor vehicles under one classification such as "motor vehicle" so that every car, motorcycle, and dump truck is treated as equal. Quote:
Yeah, bureaucracies: Health and Safety - has enabled Ford to achieve one of the highest safety rankings in industry in the US. It is a "joint" committee, Union and Company working together. How dare they create an environment where workers can work safely and go home to their families at the end of the day. Grievance Committee - one of the biggest reasons that the Union is there. Someone is getting screwed. Auto Companies without Unions? This is the reason things are as good as they are in those places. If they weren't their workers may join the Union and have a grievance procedure. In any case, this is what keeps the compaines from screwing employees at Union and non-Union companies. Shop Committee - I don't know what he is talking about. Quote:
First of all, Alan Mulally thinks so, as he has said in many interviews and articles. As if there weren't major cost changes in the past 5 years, a new era starts on January 1, 2010 when healthcare for retirees comes off of Ford's books. Lots of "extra costs?" Yeah, American car manufacturers have hundreds of thousands of retirees, the transplants have a few hundred only. Even with this, the labor costs between Ford and the transplants will be within $2 per hour, or less. No, no "extra" costs. Didn't the author say "Factory wages aren't Detroit's problem... "? Quote:
The author cleverly left out the fact that there ARE cars built in the US (UAW) that also have the same ability to claim quality higher than their Japanese counterparts. Quote:
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08-11-2009, 01:41 PM | #2 | ||
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Good read.
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08-11-2009, 03:09 PM | #3 | ||
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Is that author dumb or what?
Why is he trying to imply unionised factories can't compete with non union factories because of job classifications? It makes no sense. If a machine breaks down it doesn't matter who fixes it, it has no bearing on quality ratings and the companies chance of survival. He's drawing a ridiculously long bow. Just because a machine is fixed by a fitter and turner or an electrician, is it still not fixed? : |
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It was a heck of a write on my part. :gren: Thanks. I would have crapped if a glitch caused everything to be lost before it got posted! Steve
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once again steve, your position of knowledge about Ford.US has helped us better understand the goings-on over in america. its good to read these sorts of articles and your thoughts on them too. thankyou.
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Well thought out post, mate.
People are quick to jump on the UAW here, but you need to keep in mind that it wasn't a bunch of fat blokes in cardigans in the UAW office who rejected that agreement - it was a vote of workers in the factory. If you've got no say in your pay and conditions, you're either a machine or a slave.
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Compete with Asian manufacturing? Are you nuts? I'm getting sick of hearing about competing with 3rd world economies - if you're going to stick your hand up for Korean wages, conditions and living standards, more power to you. The rest of us (FoMoCo included, I'd say) will continue to look for a competive edge NOT based on cut-price manufacturing
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Thanks for that write up! Its fantastic!
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Good write-up, Steve.
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interesting read. Seems unusual that the plight of Ford now rests with the UAW and they seem to be the focus of this article.
Why no mention of the colossal wages and packages and bad business decisions that have been occurring for decades. Secondly if the workers at the other companies are represented by the same union why did they vote differently? There must be a reason for 70% no vote, something which is not mentioned here.
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Might have the wrong end of the stick re this particular case, but US unions are structurally different from most Australian unions (AMWU etc for Ford employees here) - the UAW seems to have a phemoninally complex branch structure (locals) - rather than a single set of union leadership (elected by the whole membership), they have mini-structures at a site level with elected local presidents/secrataries/treasurers etc - basically a bunch of smaller site-specific unions under the UAW banner. With such strong site-based middle-leadership, you end up with stuff like that. But then again, the leadership can provide advice about whether it's a good deal or not, but ultimately the membership will make the decisions. Steve will probably have some insight on this.
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Thanks for all the accolades everyone. My only desire is to dispell myths and one-sided, agenda driven comments in the press about Ford or the UAW. The knee-jerk reaction to the Union (UAW) does have a legitimate basis in the past when there were abuses. The problem is that many people are not willing to learn enough about the current practices and condition with the UAW and prefer to just go with the hate-mongering that was mostly justifiable in the past. However, we live in the present, and the past was some time ago. As I mentioned, the lines of demarcation could be reviewed and relaxed. It would need to be done in a serious way that looks at all ramifications from doing so and how to remedy them. The company's shotgun approach of grouping EVERYONE that is not an electrician into one classification is not the way though, I feel. Quote:
I don't know how old you are but in my "old fart" experience I have seen that electronics goods outside of Japan are mostly inferior. You can get something well made, but it will be the exception. Younger people are used to a "throw-a-way" society where whatever they have will be replaced in short order because a better version will be available shortly, so their electronics do not need to last very long since they will be replaced in a year or two (MP3 players, cell phones), sometimes sooner. Portable CD players never seemed to last very long when they became commonplace. They were made cheap and sold cheap, so replacing it was not viewed as a horrible thing. Besides, the replacement would have more features and better "skip" protection too. I still have my Sony D-5 portable CD player that was made in Japan in 1986. It works as good as the day it was new. This is long winded enough though. Quote:
If the above paragraph doesn't demonstrate that I am not a "died in the wool" Union guy I don't know what does. Quote:
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GreenMachine, you've basically got it right. Each plant has it's own local Union structure. The locals basically make up the whole. It's kind of like each City having it's own government structure. Most all Union positions are elected with just a few appointed positions. There is also a local agreement that supercedes the National agreement on site specific issues. This allows flexibility in bargaining. For example, each plant in 2005 negotiated it's own "Competitive Operating Agreement" in order to benefit each plant in ways that would be most beneficial to it's own circumstances. Yes, there were many similarities in all the agreements but the flexibility to deal with unique local issues was also positive in helping Ford to become competitive. Steve
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Lets hope everyone gets through this, Ford and the workers. All involved need to forget the past and look to the future, all business need a flexible workforce and not be restricted by historical agreements, all workers need a work/life balance with financial rewards for good work and commitment.
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I agree. And when USA workers give the company everything they ask for in cost savings and work rule changes then that company should do more manufacturing in the USA with the money saved to validate what was sacrificed.
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