This is Ford? - Page 2

Bossxr8 · 23-11-2009, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by -X-F-iles

Is the V6 Falcon going ahead next year or not? or is there going to be a mark 2 FG next year?

No V6.

Mk II FG next year.

Wretched · 24-11-2009, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Ohio XB

I can't believe I typed "know" instead of "no". I had only been a awake a little bit and was going to work, so that's my excuse.

This is the report where some of the above info came from. It's too huge to copy and paste..

FORD POSTS THIRD QUARTER 2009 NET INCOME OF $1 BILLION; CASH FLOW TURNS POSITIVE; NORTH AMERICA PROFITABLE+

http://media.ford.com/article_displa...ticle_id=31244

Here's another tidbit. Consumer Reports magazine does their own studies. In the latest one about vehicle reliability (over 3 years) the Ford Fusion and Mercury Milan have better reliability than the Toyota Camry and Honda Accord.

http://pressroom.consumerreports.org...liable-ca.html

An exerpt:

Thank you very much for that.

Ohio XB · 24-11-2009, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

I can tell you a lot of the quality improvement steps that Ford US have taken are being implimented by Ford Australia. Falcon TGW is down something like 30% since FG, and customer satisfaction ratings are the highest ever.

It will take time before things improve to the US levels but its all positive.

That's good to hear.

Steve

Ohio XB · 24-11-2009, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by cosmo20btt

Mate you know that if the falcon gets a v6 then its a front wheel drive, so it will be a falcon camry. Which means it will then join the large list of useless front wheel drives of Australia club.

The F-150 is getting the EcoBoost V6, and it won't be front wheel drive. There is a RWD EcoBoost program.

Steve

Ohio XB · 24-11-2009, 02:26 PM

Here's a page out of the latest issue of @ford magazine, which Ford puts out to it's employees...

Note that the TGW's are lowest with Ford. Lower than Honda, lower than Toyota.

The rest of it is an interesting read too.

Steve

cosmo20btt · 24-11-2009, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Ohio XB

The F-150 is getting the EcoBoost V6, and it won't be front wheel drive. There is a RWD EcoBoost program.

Steve

Not knocking any thing there steve, it is that an F-150 is not an FG falcon so the work involved in trying to put a v6 twin turbo into an Aussie Falcon would not at all be the same as putting it into a F-150. I think if Ford Australia was going to go down the Eco boost track then it would be the KISS principle, meaning Keep It Simple Stupid would be the way it would go, As Marin Burala said would Ford Australia like a AWD Falcon? Sorry not like that.

BrisVegas · 26-11-2009, 10:55 AM

Ford just rang me as my Focus is coming up on 3 yrs old. They wanted to know how it was going and how my servicing has been at Denmac Ford etc..

As thanks for the feedback they're sending me 4 tickets to the 'Ford Ranger Cup' one-day cricket at the Gabba in a couple of weeks! Nice one Ford.

Who's most likely to send you free tickets to the cricket in the mail??? Ford, of course!

Ohio XB · 26-11-2009, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by cosmo20btt

Not knocking any thing there steve, it is that an F-150 is not an FG falcon so the work involved in trying to put a v6 twin turbo into an Aussie Falcon would not at all be the same as putting it into a F-150. I think if Ford Australia was going to go down the Eco boost track then it would be the KISS principle, meaning Keep It Simple Stupid would be the way it would go, As Marin Burala said would Ford Australia like a AWD Falcon? Sorry not like that.

I agree, there is a slight difference between the Falcon and F-150.

The point I was trying to make is that the configuration of the V6 mated to a RWD transmission has been worked out. They can mate these components together in a RWD configuration and I am sure it would not be difficult to shove this up underneath a Falcon, which is already RWD, so there is room for everything. Is the engine compartment not rather generous in the Falcon? A 5.4L fits in so I don't know what would be difficult about fitting the TT V6 into it. The turbos are quite small and compact.

Your inline Turbo 6 engine is a GREAT engine, with higher peak power. Does anyone have a torque curve graph for it? I believe the EcoBoost engine, though lower in peak torque, has a flatter, broader torque curve with maximum torque in by 1,400 RPM and pulling until 5,500 RPM. I think that may make up for the lower peak figure, but I have driven neither of these engines yet.

Steve

**Luke Plaizier** · 26-11-2009, 02:08 PM

Here's a stock 2005 F6 Dyno Graph after a 30 second search. The 2005 F6 was good for 270kW and something like 520Nm as I recall - can't remember that well though. The current F6 is good for 310kW and 550Nm I think, so would likely post different results. Is this the kind of thing you are after?

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showpos...3&postcount=11

Lukeyson

Ohio XB · 26-11-2009, 02:44 PM

Actually I was looking for an engine dyno graph rather than a chassis dyno graph, but thanks.

I found this one at a GM message board. It is for the inline 6 turbo (Yeah, the GM guys were admiring it too)

By the looks of this graph the Aussie inline 6 still has it all over the EcoBoost engine. What kind of fuel mileage is the FG actually getting with this engine?? Yeah, real hotrodders don't worry about fuel mileage, but the EcoBoost was designed with this thought in mind.

Steve

cosmo20btt · 26-11-2009, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Ohio XB

Actually I was looking for an engine dyno graph rather than a chassis dyno graph, but thanks.

I found this one at a GM message board. It is for the inline 6 turbo (Yeah, the GM guys were admiring it too)

By the looks of this graph the Aussie inline 6 still has it all over the EcoBoost engine. What kind of fuel mileage is the FG actually getting with this engine?? Yeah, real hotrodders don't worry about fuel mileage, but the EcoBoost was designed with this thought in mind.

Steve

About 12.5 litres per 100ks (17mpg) but a friend of mine has gotten down to 8.6 litres per 100ks (33mpg) & his has a dyno of 390 rwhp(it has a bit of work done to it). 12.5 I would say would be a mixture of highway & city driving, but there will be others with different mileage.

Watto_Cobra · 26-11-2009, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Ohio XB

Actually I was looking for an engine dyno graph rather than a chassis dyno graph, but thanks.

I found this one at a GM message board. It is for the inline 6 turbo (Yeah, the GM guys were admiring it too)

By the looks of this graph the Aussie inline 6 still has it all over the EcoBoost engine. What kind of fuel mileage is the FG actually getting with this engine?? Yeah, real hotrodders don't worry about fuel mileage, but the EcoBoost was designed with this thought in mind.

Steve

Same graph I was going to post

I've gotten between 9.7 and 12.1 L/100kms over 7 fills so far, and I have trouble taming the right foot with this car. That equates to 24.2 to 19.4 mpg.

More than half my kms are usually highway though.

**Luke Plaizier** · 26-11-2009, 11:03 PM

The current XR6T, which with Ford badges runs a 270kW version of the current I6T engine, as opposed to the 310kW engine in the FPV version, was entered in the Global Green Challenge recently.

Official claimed combined cycle consumption is 11.7L/100km. But on the eco challenge they achieved 7.04L/100km - from mostly highway driving, although there was some stop start driving at the start and finish of the run.

Here's the final results:-

http://globalgreenchallenge.com.au/a...%20Results.pdf

The main things the ECOBoost has over the Australian I6T is direct injection and that our block is still cast iron - we've had Twin Independently Variable VCT and Turbo charging since 2002, although the level of control over the VCT independence was improved considerably with the introduction of the Spanish Oak Control Modules (as opposed to the earlier Black Oak modules) in 2006. Cast it in a lighter alloy and provide direct injection and things would be better still.

Also note, Steve, that the I6 underwent some heavy development in the US before release in 2002. So we're here spruiking the merits of this 'Aussie' engine when it's really the 'US boys' that should claim the credit.

Lukeyson

Jason[98.EL] · 27-11-2009, 10:45 AM

Ford US announced today that it has reached an agreement with several of its lenders to extend US$7.2 billion in loan and credit payments by two more years while also indicating that it intends to pay off US$1.9 billion of its existing US$10.7 billion line of credit.

Additionally other lenders, which hold US$724 million of Ford debt, agreed to create a new term loan that will come due on December 15, 2013, bringing the total debt restructured, or extended to US$7.9 billion.

“We are very pleased with the results of the amendment, extension to our revolving credit facility and new term loan,” Ford US Vice President and Treasurer, Mr Neil Schloss, said. “We appreciate the support of our banking partners.”

Ford’s lenders also lowered the total amount of possible credit available to Ford by as much as 25 per cent after the move.

FalconXR6 · 27-11-2009, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BrisVegas

Ford just rang me as my Focus is coming up on 3 yrs old. They wanted to know how it was going and how my servicing has been at Denmac Ford etc..

As thanks for the feedback they're sending me 4 tickets to the 'Ford Ranger Cup' one-day cricket at the Gabba in a couple of weeks! Nice one Ford.

Who's most likely to send you free tickets to the cricket in the mail??? Ford, of course!

That's unreal.

Gives you a warm fuzzy feeling about the company (Ford) doesn't it ?

IMO that is the one thing they badly need to rectify - dealerships and poor service.

Ohio XB · 27-11-2009, 06:49 PM

Sounds like decent fuel mileage/kilometerage figures are certainly possible with the T I6. I know what you mean about the heavy right foot. Whenever I drive my wife's 66 Mustang it is IMPOSSIBLE to keep your foot out of it. It's like saying "No thanks" to a large chested woman asking you if you would like her to smudge your glasses for you without using her hands. You're just not going to say no.

Well, it will be interesting to see if the engine guys on both continents begin to wonder about the possibilities.

I think I posted earlier about Ford working with their creditors to restructure some of their loans to extend their due date. I knew that some of the debt was going to be able to go that route but didn't know how much they were going to be successful with. It's good news.

Steve