Advice please on buying LV Focus XR5 Turbo - Page 3

MickG · 31-05-2010, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SgtBourne

You're not mad for buying another ford, you're just mad for going BACK to them for help ;)

But in all seriousness, if you want a dealer you can actually trust, go to Nova ford and talk to Barnsey

Thanks SgtBourne, i'll bear that in mind when it comes service time again

XR5-Boy · 31-05-2010, 03:14 PM

If it's clunking, it's working!

I also find the gear box to be much smoother when changing at 5500-6000 rpm ;)

YUSLOW · 11-06-2010, 01:35 PM

Drive it like you just stole it!

They're a great little car.

turbo_gtr86 · 23-06-2010, 07:09 PM

Are you serious they arent going to be making the xr5 anymore? When is that gonna finish? I was hoping to buy a new one next year...

XR5-Boy · 27-06-2010, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by turbo_gtr86

Are you serious they arent going to be making the xr5 anymore? When is that gonna finish? I was hoping to buy a new one next year...

Yep, they're finishing up this year. Mondeo XR5 has already finished and focus will be soon as well.

DBourne · 27-06-2010, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by turbo_gtr86

Are you serious they arent going to be making the xr5 anymore? When is that gonna finish? I was hoping to buy a new one next year...

Yup, ford no longer owns volvo, so they don't have access to the 2.5 5cyl engine.

August will be the last batch delievered production has already finished.

crispymk2 · 28-06-2010, 12:24 AM

What's your source on that? Last I heard they were expected to be available till around November?

turbo_gtr86 · 29-06-2010, 06:49 PM

I spoke to my local dealer and they said no more from ford only what dealers have in stock so that sucks ***

jumbuck · 29-06-2010, 09:09 PM

So is there anything in the pipeline to replace the Focus XR5 ? I thought they sold quite well so they would lose out on sales if there wasn't an alternative.

entheos · 29-06-2010, 09:45 PM

August is when the dealers are being able to place their last orders....after that....NO MORE....Ford and Volvo no longer sharing the 5pot motor...the new one will be a 4cyl Direct injection turbo....

marg99 · 30-06-2010, 09:27 PM

IS the replacement for the XR5 going to be the 2 litre petrol turbo four cylinder that develops around 177 kw and will it be called an XR4?

entheos · 30-06-2010, 10:03 PM

Lol...is that a Qn or a statement?

That's the word on the grapevine marg.... 2L 4Cyl Direct Injection and probably badged Focus XR4

I doubt it will produce as much torque...unfortunately it'll end up 'just another turbo 4' and lose the addictive 5 pot growl.

peachey80 · 13-07-2010, 12:51 PM

Hey guys,
I have just taken ownership of a new XR5 myself. Was looking around for a new car for the missus in town, and on the way home I said, lets just call in here and test an XR5, she wanted a VRX lancer...... and was sold on it within 10 mins.
They are such an awesome car to drive and fantastic value for money. Got a June '10 plate with 22klms on the clock for $32800 drive away Colorado Red with the stripes.
First 3000klms will only be on about 5 psi boost, then once youtake it in to ford they will give it full boost - about 14psi - so looking forward to that !!!
Dealer had told me the new ones are getting the ecoboost engine, so yes, no more 5 pot banger after this model.
Will post some pics later.

entheos · 13-07-2010, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by peachey80

Hey guys,
I have just taken ownership of a new XR5 myself. Was looking around for a new car for the missus in town, and on the way home I said, lets just call in here and test an XR5, she wanted a VRX lancer...... and was sold on it within 10 mins.
They are such an awesome car to drive and fantastic value for money. Got a June '10 plate with 22klms on the clock for $32800 drive away Colorado Red with the stripes.
First 3000klms will only be on about 5 psi boost, then once youtake it in to ford they will give it full boost - about 14psi - so looking forward to that !!!
Dealer had told me the new ones are getting the ecoboost engine, so yes, no more 5 pot banger after this model.
Will post some pics later.

Congrats peachey...They are a fantastic car to drive...jump over to www.fordxr5turbo.com and check out all the info available on these cars...

I'm not sure about what the dealer has told you regarding boost...I have never heard that in my dealings with the cars...they run .65bar (9.5psi) from factory and will do until the day you throw a different tune(custom, dreamscience or otherwise) on it....then you'll see what the car can 'really' do.....16psi seems to be the sweet spot for these cars...The dealers won't do any such thing at the 3000 'Peace Of Mind' INSPECTION...It's purely a checkup on the vehicle and make sure everything is tight and still running right...the Oil isnt changed...reccommended at 7500kms as a mineral oil is used originall from factory (15W40) for engine 'run-in' and then FULLY SYNTHETIC therafter (5W30 Castrol Edge Sport) is used.

Where are you located?

XR5-Boy · 13-07-2010, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by entheos

.I have never heard that in my dealings with the cars...they run .65bar (9.5psi) from factory and will do until the day you throw a different tune(custom, dreamscience or otherwise) on it....

Correct!

The only diff you'll notice with a stock car is the normal ecu adjusting itself after a certain number of kms. Full boost is achieved via your favourite DS/bluefin or other tune. DS Mod X seems to be the bees knees at the mo with many loving the smooth torque curve and no surge at 100-110

DBourne · 13-07-2010, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by peachey80

Hey guys,
I have just taken ownership of a new XR5 myself. Was looking around for a new car for the missus in town, and on the way home I said, lets just call in here and test an XR5, she wanted a VRX lancer...... and was sold on it within 10 mins.
They are such an awesome car to drive and fantastic value for money. Got a June '10 plate with 22klms on the clock for $32800 drive away Colorado Red with the stripes.
First 3000klms will only be on about 5 psi boost, then once youtake it in to ford they will give it full boost - about 14psi - so looking forward to that !!!
Dealer had told me the new ones are getting the ecoboost engine, so yes, no more 5 pot banger after this model.
Will post some pics later.

Awesome mate! C-Red and stripes is a bloody fantastic combo, put up some pics mate

peachey80 · 13-07-2010, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by entheos

Congrats peachey...They are a fantastic car to drive...jump over to www.fordxr5turbo.com and check out all the info available on these cars...

I'm not sure about what the dealer has told you regarding boost...I have never heard that in my dealings with the cars...they run .65bar (9.5psi) from factory and will do until the day you throw a different tune(custom, dreamscience or otherwise) on it....then you'll see what the car can 'really' do.....16psi seems to be the sweet spot for these cars...The dealers won't do any such thing at the 3000 'Peace Of Mind' INSPECTION...It's purely a checkup on the vehicle and make sure everything is tight and still running right...the Oil isnt changed...reccommended at 7500kms as a mineral oil is used originall from factory (15W40) for engine 'run-in' and then FULLY SYNTHETIC therafter (5W30 Castrol Edge Sport) is used.

Where are you located?

Thanks mate,
Yeah, may have been the salesman spiel, but I did notice the car I test drove was pulling over 1 bar on the boost guage, and the one I have just bought barley get over .3 maybe .4 bar, so wouldn't be 6 psi boost at the moment.
I'm in Tas, L'ton.

Some pics......

DBourne · 14-07-2010, 08:07 AM

aw man I'm a sucker for C-Red n stripes.

It's the one combo that I would actually upgrade from my LS for.

I have found on the new stock LV's they pull to 2/3's on the gauge easily.

I think the salesman is just a wee bit confused, as Entheos has said, jump on the xr5 forum, lots of info and there are a few very knowledgable and nice blokes who live down in Tassie who can steer you in the right direction as to where to get services etc.

XR5-Boy · 14-07-2010, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SgtBourne

aw man I'm a sucker for C-Red n stripes.

It's the one combo that I would actually upgrade from my LS for.

I have found on the new stock LV's they pull to 2/3's on the gauge easily.

I think the salesman is just a wee bit confused, as Entheos has said, jump on the xr5 forum, lots of info and there are a few very knowledgable and nice blokes who live down in Tassie who can steer you in the right direction as to where to get services etc.

i think a comparison run between a stock LS, LT and LV is required to see if there are in fact, any performance changes that Ford MAY have implemented

entheos · 14-07-2010, 02:29 PM

The LV arguably delivers more power to the wheels than the LS/LT, BUT that could just be due to age...most dyno runs have proven this fact, but also some runs have shown new for new that the LV has more power....even though they are marketed at 166kw at the fly from go to present...

As far as the stock car adjusting itself...it does learn your driving style...this can be overcome by resetting you KAM fuse...or re-flashing...if you drove the car hard from start and I mean from teh moment you left the dealership, your car WILL produce more power than someone's who has babied it for the first 3000kms...again overcome usually by the KAM fuse reset...see www.fordxr5turbo.com for more info on that. The engines are run in as such when you take delivery, so there's no need to be 'driving it in' for this car.

The car does have torque limiting in first and second from factory, so you'll find that the 'boost guage' will only read a max of 1/4(0.3bar) with maybe a small spike over that initially, but if you put the boot in, in 3rd and higher the guage will settle at just over 1/2 (0.65bar) again mayb with a small peak over that...as mentioned before DSCi and Bluefin and other tuning handsets or software will change that...as well as changing exhaust, intake and IC (breathing mods).

food for thought.

peachey80 · 17-07-2010, 06:05 PM

Ok,
So it clicked over 600klms during the week, thought - it is the weekend, must be my turn to drive it now, stopped driving the old fashioned way of running in an engine and gave it some gas in 2nd and 3rd, still not WOT though and sure enough teh boost guage hovered at 1/4 for a little while, then all of a sudden jumped up to nearly 3/4's...... nice, instant smile on my dial, and a dirty look from the missus....

DBourne · 18-07-2010, 05:55 PM

Atta boy peachey!

peachey80 · 18-07-2010, 08:06 PM

Cheers mate, I then threw in the ol' "god I'd love to take this thing around the track" to what was the reply..... "I don't care, as long as you don't break it"......

Not really the response I thought I would get....

Sooo, after a few thousand kay's..... simmons... baskerville... here I come !

DBourne · 19-07-2010, 08:07 AM

That is the best thing she could of said, now you can say "I'll need sticky tyres so I don't crash" and "I'll need a tune as the stock one runs quite lean so It'll need to be richer to stay safe"

and on and on it goes

XR5-Boy · 19-07-2010, 10:37 AM

Speaking in tongues other that 'female' won't allow you to easily justify purchasing the items YOU want for the car. So, as bourney put it, stick the simple words and give reasoning for your proposed 'investment'.

words such as 'don't crash' and 'stay safe' work very well.

Another is 'saves money so you can buy that thing you like'.

That one works a treat :P

Skid Marx · 24-07-2010, 10:22 PM

I wasn't even considering the XR5 Focus until I sat in one and it felt just right and said "Drive me!" I took it for a spin on the same day I'd tried a few other popular Jap cars - none of which excited me, and the Focus had me straight away.

The clutch is a bit weird in that it takes quite a while to get used to the varying spring pressure down near the floor, but once your mastered it you feel like a pro. Visibility is pretty restricted but lots of modern cars suffer from 'Roman Column' style 'A' pillars however, the generous wing mirrors make up for this. Fuel economy is actually pretty good if you drive it kindly. Yes, it has a big turning circle but the fact that this is usually mentioned in the 'don't like' lists indicates just how few vices this car has.

The engine in the XR5 alone is worth the price. Other hatches are quicker to 100ks by a few fractions, but I'd say none of them as as good overall.

DBourne · 25-07-2010, 09:24 AM

The clutch feel you are talking about isn't normal unless it has an aftermarket clutch.

The S60R clutch will be lightish then get heavy just near the floor.

Stock should be pretty smooth the entire way.

I'm guessing you are looking @ a second hand one?

RE: turning circle, yes it's horrible, but then again you can fit 235 tyres to this puppy which means awesome cornering and ability to get the power down, which I'm happy to sacrifice turning circle for.

Mick K. · 25-07-2010, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by entheos

Lol...is that a Qn or a statement?

That's the word on the grapevine marg.... 2L 4Cyl Direct Injection and probably badged Focus XR4

I doubt it will produce as much torque...unfortunately it'll end up 'just another turbo 4' and lose the addictive 5 pot growl.

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Originally Posted by The Motor Report

In XR5 Turbo trim, the Focus will likely draw power from Ford's turbo-charged 2.0 litre EcoBoost engine - also scheduled to join the Ford Falcon range next year.

The 2.0 litre EcoBoost engine develops 205kW and 379Nm of torque in concept form, compared to the current XR5 Turbo's 165kW turbo-charged 2.5 litre Duratec engine.

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/486...ants-previewed

MK

marg99 · 25-07-2010, 03:42 PM

My betting is Ford will tune it way down from the concept car's output for reliability and fuel quality related reasons and also leave a bit to "develop" further refinements in model updates later in its life. The engine should be a bit lighter so overall I woudl expect a slightly faster car than the current XR5.