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Old 20-08-2012, 06:24 AM   #1
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Default Pads needed for EL Fairmont

I've got a 1997 EL Fairmont Wagon (see sig)

When I got it roadworthied at christmas time, I had the existing four rotor's machined, due to shudder.

I also fitted new Bendix CT pads all round, and did a mini overhaul of the calipers, along with a full brake line flush.
(see sig thread for pics)

The vehicle was good for the first 10,000km (if not a little slow to pull up).

Since we've had the wet weather here in Melbourne, the shudder has returned, quite badly.
Under light to medium braking, the front end vibrates something chronic.
Under firm braking, the shudder disappears, but the car is slow to pull up in my opinion.

When the shudder is happening, the steering wheel shakes lightly, and the brake pedal pulsates very lightly.

I had a set of DBA4132 rotors to fit on the car, but elected not to put them on at christmas time.

I'm thinking now may be the time to fit them, but I never purchased pads to suit.
The DBA rep recommended a Bendix SRT pad, or Ferodo DS pad.

What would be the best pad for the 4000 series rotors,
and am I going down the right path brake wise, with this vehicle?

The vehicle is used in stop/start traffic.
It is not and will never be used in any motorsport events.


Cheers,

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Old 20-08-2012, 10:50 AM   #2
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Default Re: Pads needed for EL Fairmont

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Originally Posted by SPArKy_Dave
I've got a 1997 EL Fairmont Wagon (see sig)

When I got it roadworthied at christmas time, I had the existing four rotor's machined, due to shudder.

I also fitted new Bendix CT pads all round, and did a mini overhaul of the calipers, along with a full brake line flush.
(see sig thread for pics)

The vehicle was good for the first 10,000km (if not a little slow to pull up).

Since we've had the wet weather here in Melbourne, the shudder has returned, quite badly.
Under light to medium braking, the front end vibrates something chronic.
Under firm braking, the shudder disappears, but the car is slow to pull up in my opinion.

When the shudder is happening, the steering wheel shakes lightly, and the brake pedal pulsates very lightly.

I had a set of DBA4132 rotors to fit on the car, but elected not to put them on at christmas time.

I'm thinking now may be the time to fit them, but I never purchased pads to suit.
The DBA rep recommended a Bendix SRT pad, or Ferodo DS pad.

What would be the best pad for the 4000 series rotors,
and am I going down the right path brake wise, with this vehicle?

The vehicle is used in stop/start traffic.
It is not and will never be used in any motorsport events.


Cheers,

David
David i would stay away from the Bendix CT and SRT pads and go the DS Performance if they are available for your application with the DBA 4000 rotor.
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Old 20-08-2012, 07:33 PM   #3
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Default Re: Pads needed for EL Fairmont

Hi Matt,

thanks for the reply.

Do you have those Ferodo DS pads?........... xx1108?

The DBA rep, said that they're only importing Ferodo pads from 2003 upwards.
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Old 21-08-2012, 05:07 AM   #4
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Default Re: Pads needed for EL Fairmont

What would you recommend, if I can't get a Ferodo DS pad, for an EL Falcon?

The Bendix rep recommended a set of Ultimates, for the 4000series rotors, but warned of excessive brake dust.
He also suggested the HD pad, with less dust, but said that it would not have the stopping power of the Ultimate range.

What are my options?
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74 XB GS pano..... factory optioned with all the good stuff..... not much there now. ........long term resto.
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Old 21-08-2012, 09:42 AM   #5
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Default Re: Pads needed for EL Fairmont

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What would you recommend, if I can't get a Ferodo DS pad, for an EL Falcon?

The Bendix rep recommended a set of Ultimates, for the 4000series rotors, but warned of excessive brake dust.
He also suggested the HD pad, with less dust, but said that it would not have the stopping power of the Ultimate range.

What are my options?
OK no DS Performance for DB1108 sorry and there are not many options for that pad shape. Maybe bite the bullet and go with the Ultimates.
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Old 21-08-2012, 01:28 PM   #6
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Default Re: Pads needed for EL Fairmont

Sparky, I have Ultimates on the front of my BA Falcon and I can say that they do make you stop. I guess you have to ask yourself whats important, being able to stop or having to clean a bit of dust off your wheels every couple of weeks. I went the ability to stop route and the ultimates have proven to be a massive performance gain over OE pads (I have DBA rotors but just street series).
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Old 21-08-2012, 02:24 PM   #7
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Default Re: Pads needed for EL Fairmont

What about EBC pads? Red or Green?
Are they suitable for 4000 series rotors?

Where do the EBC pads fit into the scale, when compared with Bendix Ultimates?

Lets just say the Ultimates are abetter match than the ebc pads.
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74 XB GS pano..... factory optioned with all the good stuff..... not much there now. ........long term resto.
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Old 22-08-2012, 01:49 AM   #8
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Default Re: Pads needed for EL Fairmont

WTF!!!! ^^^^^ You can edit my posts?

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74 XB GS pano..... factory optioned with all the good stuff..... not much there now. ........long term resto.
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Old 22-08-2012, 10:55 AM   #9
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Default Re: Pads needed for EL Fairmont

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WTF!!!! ^^^^^ You can edit my posts?

Magic!!!!
Umm yes! i didn't relize i did that though.
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Old 27-08-2012, 03:38 AM   #10
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Default Re: Pads needed for EL Fairmont

How about some sort of QFM pads?

Are they better than the Bendix Ultimates, for use with dba4000 rotors?

People mention QFM pads quite often on the ford forums.
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74 XB GS pano..... factory optioned with all the good stuff..... not much there now. ........long term resto.
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Old 27-08-2012, 09:27 AM   #11
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Default Re: Pads needed for EL Fairmont

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How about some sort of QFM pads?

Are they better than the Bendix Ultimates, for use with dba4000 rotors?

People mention QFM pads quite often on the ford forums.
Personal choice really we have seen issues with both brands of pads but there are also many people on the forum that run either combo without issue.
The QFM HPX brake pads are very popular and cost about $80 a set.
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Old 27-08-2012, 10:23 AM   #12
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Personal choice really we have seen issues with both brands of pads but there are also many people on the forum that run either combo without issue.
The QFM HPX brake pads are very popular and cost about $80 a set.
Assuming that's for the front (1108), how much for QFM rears (1086).

Do the Bendix Ultimate's cost more?


Cheers,

David
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Old 27-08-2012, 11:23 AM   #13
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Default Re: Pads needed for EL Fairmont

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Assuming that's for the front (1108), how much for QFM rears (1086).

Do the Bendix Ultimate's cost more?


Cheers,

David
$80 a set and the Ultimates are about the $140 mark
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