Breaking news: Next-gen Holden Commodore is go - Page 3

Road_Warrior · 10-02-2013, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Brazen

A rising tide lifts all ships.

I think VF will be a positive, Falcon and Commodore are linked at the hip - any interest in the large car market will help Falcon. Especially if there is a bit of sticker shock which will send some prospective buyers to the local Ford dealer.

Large cars have a bit of an image problem, the new Commodore will help that and Falcon will benefit.

This was the sentiment Holden expressed when the FG was released and it didn't really pan out like that.

Brazen · 10-02-2013, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

This was the sentiment Holden expressed when the FG was released and it didn't really pan out like that.

But FG really brought nothing to the game to get people into large cars again. As great as it is, it just kept doing what the BF was doing - it even looked the same.

If FG had a diesel at launch that would have been a game changer for the segment.

roberts · 10-02-2013, 12:03 PM

Breaking down: Next-gen Holden Commodore is go

FG50T · 10-02-2013, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by LeadFoot81

So Holden say there will be a Commodore post 2016 (that will most probably be based on a FWD platform) and their suddenly saints?

If Ford did the same thing most of AFF would lose their s***!!

What gives?

This is just a smoke screen...damage control, to try and get as many VF sales as possible.

The VF will grind the FG into the ground sales wise without trying.

Joe5619 · 10-02-2013, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by FG50T

The VF will grind the FG into the ground sales wise without trying.

It will be interesting to see what this does to Commodore sales for the next 6 months & then what happens after that.. And also interesting to see what this cars does to Falcon sales for the next 18 months...

BroadyFord · 10-02-2013, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe5619

It will be interesting to see what this does to Commodore sales for the next 6 months & then what happens after that.. And also interesting to see what this cars does to Falcon sales for the next 18 months...

If I were a betting man I would say 500-1000 Falcon sales per month maximum by the end of the year.

Road_Warrior · 10-02-2013, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Brazen

But FG really brought nothing to the game to get people into large cars again. As great as it is, it just kept doing what the BF was doing - it even looked the same.

If FG had a diesel at launch that would have been a game changer for the segment.

Well...VF doesn't have a diesel either? Fundamentally it is "just" a styling change and feature/tech upgrade.

fou_bleu · 10-02-2013, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

Well...VF doesn't have a diesel either? Fundamentally it is "just" a styling change and feature/tech upgrade.

While I doubt the VF does have a diesel, there's been no confirmation of powertrains, has there?

jpd80 · 10-02-2013, 04:14 PM

The success or otherwise of VF Commodore does not necessarily mean that FGII will suffer huge losses,
that depends on how Ford presents Falcon this year and if anything, attractive discounts could keep interest there.

Road_Warrior · 10-02-2013, 04:56 PM

Discounts and special editions/dealer specials should maintain some interest, the low sales of January that people keep harping on about with claims of "the Falcon is dead" ignores the fact that the plant was shut until 14 Jan and Falcons are build to order anyway. Besides, it's not like people cross shop Commodore and Falcon.

1TUFFUTE · 10-02-2013, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by R-Design

Holden have said they're committed to making the Commodore beyond 2016, that's all they need to say to keep the faithful happy. People will continue to buy your product if they see it has a future, not If it's on life support. It's the best possible start they could have given the VF. We can only hope Ford do something similar soon.

well ill say one thing...your easy to please...all you need is holden to tell you they r building a car 5 years from now and your sold. Too bad if the competition has and sells a much better car....just as the case with the recent fords being ALOT better then the holden offerings. Your happy to buy inferior products simply because they have bigger and quicker media budget.

This may be good news for large cars in Australia...BUT ILL STILL PUT MY MONEY ON FORD HAVING A SUPERIOUR PRODUCT....AS THEY HAVE FOR 10 YEARS NOW

1TUFFUTE · 10-02-2013, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

They have to, VF will have self parking option like Focus...

On topic,

a 2017 Commodore based on Alpha is becoming a real possibility,
Autoblog have snapped the new larger Alpha based caddy CTS.
This could be the basis for the next gen Commodore and Chevrolet SS.
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The car will come with V6 and V8 engines as well as a 2.0 DI Turbo I-4.....

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IMO this is a terrible looking rear end. Looks like CHERRY motors had a crack before the GM badges went on

mik · 10-02-2013, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Brazen

But FG really brought nothing to the game to get people into large cars again. As great as it is, it just kept doing what the BF was doing - it even looked the same.

If FG had a diesel at launch that would have been a game changer for the segment.

i would have thought the ECO LPI was`nt a bad attempt, the same for eco boost.

jpd80 · 10-02-2013, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

IMO this is a terrible looking rear end. Looks like CHERRY motors had a crack before the GM badges went on

Ignore the Cadillac sheet metal and see the future Commodore framing beneath..

Buntz · 11-02-2013, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by DanielXR8

My guess is they got the commitment out of the Liberals they have been angling for lately. That was enough to green light the project and for the CEO to get on top of the "Commodore is dead" stories that will and do hurt the brand.

Yeah... they were making noises earlier that their future here is undecided because of the opposition.

I guess now the Libs have alleviated their concerns, They can boast about a new Commodore.

I think even the rubbish about a confirmed cancellation of the Commodore was just an effort by GM to force Ford to show their hand. Well who has the most will power?

EgoFG · 11-02-2013, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Gabbs

Sure people are changing there buying habits and going to smaller cars but if someone was in the market for a commodore or falcon and they have in there mind that the falcon isn't going to be around for much longer do you not think that it would go to the bottom of the list.

Interestingly I have a friend who bought a 380 new and sold it for more 6 months later.

A formal statement of end of the line for Falcon might see increased transaction prices.
A formal statement of a new upcoming model might see sales drop. In my case I buy every 5-10 years, If I am shopping in year 6 and find out a significantly changed model is coming out in year 9, I will delay the purchase.

The 4 year announcement is for fleet buyers, and Holden announcing plans for 2017 caters to them.
Ford not announcing plans may just demonstrate that they are targeting me, the private buyer, not the Fleet/UserChooser.

Agile · 11-02-2013, 02:03 PM

I am confused. I know its not hard but. How is it that Holdens, a minor arm of GM in America, can be in such a position as to dominate big car sales in Aus. GM were teetering on the edge of bankrupcay and recieved a cargo ship full of cash from the US gov to stay operational 5 years ago.
Ford Aus. is the same almost. Tiny part of Ford empire, except Ford US never got a cent of bailout and traded out of the dismal situation and has since moved on with no massive debt to the US Gov. Correct?

Holden have a platform that can be manufactured left and right hook and is about to , probably , export LARGE numbers [compared to FoA] of BIGGISH rear wheel drive cars to overseas markets aswell as sell to the local market.

Ford have, until now, got a superior car in ever field [except for left hook] yet have terrible sales. EcoBoost has to be a winner, Holden even think so, they are already saying the next Com will be a 4 pot. Ford have the LPI I6.Has to be a good thing, even with the stupid spare wheel situation [ stick a space saver in there somewhere]

And yet the market are still not buying Falcon. I have to admit I am not in the market for a sedan, I'm a Territory wanabee.

Second. Why go small if you want a sedan. Serious. I have sat in the back of Corollas, Mazda's,etc,etc and they are crap. They are not a family car. The EcoBoost seems like the perfect package. Yet doesn't sell. Why go front wheel drive? What is the advantage? No trans tunnel? Why would Holden be flagging FWD for the next Com and will Falcon go the same way?

As I said, I dont get it. I cant see FWD big cars selling over RWD.

csv8 · 11-02-2013, 02:09 PM

Agile..it all gets back to marketing!!! Holden has a much better marketing dept than Ford. They are good at spinning the bs !!
Holden has a 40% increase in the VF marketing budget. Ford's marketing needs to come out swinging !!ASAP!! or its the last worker out..turn off the lights....

blk6t · 11-02-2013, 02:24 PM

What Holden have done with the VF is exactly what it needed...fresh modern global looks (not just based on Aussie market trends), packed it with gadgets and modern tech which is what people are after this day in age...yes Falcon has better engines, gearboxes etc yet it still trails behind...

Holden are not competing with the Falcon anymore....and Ford needs to do the same with the Falcon.

Plus now confirming future Commodore models and production in Australia is just adding to the hype and hopefully going to fuel interest back into the Commodore products.

Holden are coming out very aggressively and it's what they need to do...