ANDRA passes No Cage for 10's for modern vehicles.

[63futura]

If they can do 10.5s on Wednesday nights surely they can do the same on a race night in regards to insurance
I have no problem with cages and I would be happy to run one but if I do I then have a cage welded in and it cant be regod in WA
Its hard trying keep a street car a street car and run it as fast as you want down the strip

[FPV GTHO]

Theres a lower probability of fast times happening on a Wednesday though, which is perhaps why they push the limit a bit more.

[ronnyBB]

Originally Posted by Giant

Put a cage in and it only runs 11.00 due to the extra weight

Actually not such a bad idea to run extra weight!
Have some serious lead bolted down, do your tuning and when ready to go home, unbolt the weights and see what she does and get sent home lol

[Giant]

Wednesday night would not be a ANDRA event hence the different rule.

[CRAIGAU3220]

Originally Posted by Giant

Wednesday night would not be a ANDRA event hence the different rule.

ANDRA is always there.............Believe its just sharp insurance negotiation.

[63futura]

Originally Posted by FPV GTHO

Theres a lower probability of fast times happening on a Wednesday though, which is perhaps why they push the limit a bit more.

The only reason there would be a lower probability is from no track prep which to me would be more dangerous

[FPV GTHO]

I'm thinking more along the lines of, a Wednesday might have 5 cars show up capable of running 10's but a test n tune/championship round etc might have 2-3-4x that many. So then what becomes more dangerous, 5 cars out of say 100 running 10.5's or 20+ cars out of 100 running 11.0's.

[63futura]

Considering theres more safety rules at a race meet ie tail shaft loops , harness , battery isolator I would still think that a Wednesday night would be more dangerous

[ronnyBB]

Obviously the track would be insured on Wed nights
That throws out my idea of insurance issues causing the 11.0 cage rule

[prasac]

actually the track on a Wednesday night can be pretty good, we have run faster on a Wednesday night than we did at the APSA meet (same tune, same weight 8.38 vs 8.36), where everyone said track prep was top notch. however, the 8.36 was at night. we ran exactly the same radial 60' bests to the thousandth on a Wednesday as a track championship (1.300) on the right night, right weather the track is good. sometimes they prep and sometimes they hold a Private Test Day earlier, so the track prep is primo. just gotta guess the right day

[vevapower]

Fellas I've been in talks about the cross model year share an in particular the BF. Andra acknowledges that more than likely there will need to be an exception made for the BF knowing that this model shares 08 build and circa.

With this proposed exception it would mean that 05 to 08 BF's will be ok.

BA's however will most definable not be compliant under the rule and it's exceptions.

Though for all you BA, AU guys you can now run as low as 8.0 with a bolt in cage if the chassis is un modified and not TUBBED, so that's some good news for you guys.

I will update this thread as real info comes to hand and ANDRA knew that there would be some friction on their decision but a line in the sand had to be made.

If they had of said 2002 then the AU guys would have argued etc...

What we should be excited and thankful about is that ANDRA were very receptive to my advances and acknowledged that this 20+year old rule needed to updated to bring it in line with current safety and technology advances/levels.

Big thanks should go Malcolm Bulley, he seems to get it and ANDRA are better for having him as their CEO.

[T4ME]

So my post on the ANDRA page seems to have made some sense to them...off to buy a lotto ticket now

[63futura]

Originally Posted by vevapower

Fellas I've been in talks about the cross model year share an in particular the BF. Andra acknowledges that more than likely there will need to be an exception made for the BF knowing that this model shares 08 build and circa.

With this proposed exception it would mean that 05 to 08 BF's will be ok.

BA's however will most definable not be compliant under the rule and it's exceptions.

Though for all you BA, AU guys you can now run as low as 8.0 with a bolt in cage if the chassis is un modified and not TUBBED, so that's some good news for you guys.

I will update this thread as real info comes to hand and ANDRA knew that there would be some friction on their decision but a line in the sand had to be made.

If they had of said 2002 then the AU guys would have argued etc...

What we should be excited and thankful about is that ANDRA were very receptive to my advances and acknowledged that this 20+year old rule needed to updated to bring it in line with current safety and technology advances/levels.

Big thanks should go Malcolm Bulley, he seems to get it and ANDRA are better for having him as their CEO.

So whats the rules with bolt in cages now ?
I was told by ANDRA about 6 months ago I could not run faster than 10.00 with bolt in it would have to be welded in to go faster ?

[ronnyBB]

Ive seen the first car allowed with a bolt it cage to 8.00 (HG 4 door)
Dont want to do that to my car, its not like a few bolt holes here and there
Some serious mods were done

[reds89]

Tens and 140 mph,i dont think i would be putting my faith in pre-tensioners and air bags as the car folds up around me without a cage.

[vevapower]

8.0 with non tubbed and un modified chassis with bolt in cage.

This rule is now in and active.

[brad24]

Originally Posted by vevapower

8.0 with non tubbed and un modified chassis with bolt in cage.

This rule is now in and active.

What cars does that apply to?

[Xr347]

Originally Posted by 63futura

The stupid thing for us in Perth is we can run 10.5s on a Wednesday night with our old cars but not allowed to race an Andra event unless we slow them down to 11.00

Andra must have cheaper insurance then the track.

[ash68]

i think their rule is crap as an andra member and a regular ss/t racer running a ba ford ute if i run 10.99 i get sent home.yet a street car with tyres that destroy a good start line and drag water down the track and go to the odd testntune can run tens .andra need to look after members first

[vevapower]

Stock modern cars do 10's now mate it was time to update the 20+ year old rule bud. Also 99% of fuys running 10's in bf2 + are running ets and know how to do a proper burnout. What would you have said if they made BA's part of the new rule?

[ash68]

i would have said the same thing .the point i was making is andra are supporting the people that run at the odd testntune and not their members .if more people with late model cars joined andra and raced we could propose a new class which i have spoken to andra officals about .i talk to alot of people at testntunes giving advice and helping new comers trying to get people to race their late model vehicles hopefully to benefit the future of the sport i love .but most people just want a time slip to post on a web site .drag racing needs members and racers the more the better .sorry if i offended anyone with my last post that wasnt my intention .Hoping to see more late model cars at race meetings in the future.

[T4ME]

That makes allot of sense ash and reads very true.

[vevapower]

They should have never relaxed the super street license for 11's.

[brad24]

Originally Posted by vevapower

8.0 with non tubbed and un modified chassis with bolt in cage.

This rule is now in and active.

I rang ANDRA yesterday to discuss cage requirements for my old girl.
They told me they would have this rule finalised & details of it on their website in 2-3 weeks

Its especially good for us in WA because we cant get cars licenced with cages, unless they are deemed to be 2 seaters