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12-12-2014, 10:05 PM | #1 | |||
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12-12-2014, 10:39 PM | #2 | ||
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Just goes to show that these days there's no such thing really as "a bad car"...just varying degrees of how good you want to have it. Even lower models from big makers can mix it with the "traditional" quality makers from Europe these days.
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12-12-2014, 10:52 PM | #3 | ||
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I am very impressed by the Model S. It would have been my pick.
Seen a few here in Melbourne but a lot in the USA. We just need to get the infrastructure available.
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13-12-2014, 02:03 AM | #4 | |||
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13-12-2014, 06:48 AM | #5 | ||
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13-12-2014, 10:21 AM | #6 | |||
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13-12-2014, 10:58 AM | #7 | ||
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Our other car is a 1997 Mitsubishi Mirage and it was just a bit slower to 100km/hr as my ED falcon. After that it got hosed of course.
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13-12-2014, 07:19 PM | #8 | ||
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I have both Mirages.
The new one is just fine for a cheap runabout. When it's on the move on the freeway it has no issue overtaking at speed, the CVT does a superb job at moving the car along with the rest of the traffic. It would be our car of choice if we went on any long distance drive and no the climate control air con does not kill performance like you would expect. Being light and nimble they are actually fun to drive. They are a light, economy car. If you want more performance there are other cars to choose from.
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13-12-2014, 07:23 PM | #9 | |||
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13-12-2014, 07:35 PM | #10 | |||
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0-100 is, in my opinion, a useless concept to include these days in cars tests, only really valid as an academic figure of little interest. This is because people in normal everyday driving don't bury the foot in the floor from a standing start all the time and go from a standstill at full throttle to 100kph. Some magazines used to include the "80 to 100/110 figures", which was much more pertinent for overtaking/merging on a freeway. The real world isn't a dragstrip... |
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13-12-2014, 07:51 PM | #11 | ||
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Additionally most of us in the city are usually not overtaking, just hoping to be first in line at the next set of traffic lights.
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13-12-2014, 08:21 PM | #12 | ||
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i would love to see them do a criteria for general maintenance parts, also costs for doing stuff that most definitely will need to be done in the cars life time like timing belt service, idler pulleys, tensioners ,etc,
also a common one that people send their car in for , the good old clutch repair, and these days on the foreign cars , the dual mass flywheels........some people put their nice little economy car in for a clutch and after the job and paying the bill come out crying . We can add to that the extra diesel costs, any extra filters, particulate filters, etc ,etc. electric cars too no doubt will have parts that need to be replaced, despite the electric dealers touting how wonderful they are, they will eventually need batteries, heavy duty relays i spose ? they still have suspension , drive shafts , wheel bearings , fans to cool electricals and batteries. if you have a stone chucked up and break a head light or the missus backs the limo into the wall and breaks a tail light ? People buy these different cars more often than not with out a clue what the true cost will be owning that car over the life time, once upon a time they used to mention a bit of this in wheels magazine i think ? surely if we buy a car of the year that is touted good value car of the year and then 2 years down the track have to spend 6k on a clutch and $1800 for a headlight that broke from a stone chucked up on the highway, then that sort of diminishes the good value part ?. |
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13-12-2014, 08:31 PM | #13 | |||
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This is where the Holdens & Falcons of old came into their own. Then again, we are a throw away society now...
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13-12-2014, 09:06 PM | #14 | |||
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Of course if it's considered illegal then so is every Truck, Bus and old VW. I didn't notice a merging time in the article, but it wouldn't matter if they do it correctly, there should only be something like a 10-20kmh difference.
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13-12-2014, 09:07 PM | #15 | ||
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The Mirage sounds slow but in the real world its not that bad. People aren't taking off at full acceleration all the time. 15 year old automatic Falcons could only manage just under 10s at best.
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14-12-2014, 12:36 AM | #17 | ||
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"Tesla Model S - zero emissions"
Ummm, people need to realise where the electricity comes from to recharge these electric cars. Coal fired power stations do not produce zero emissions..... |
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14-12-2014, 12:54 AM | #18 | ||
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In the 'States, or the UK they actually give EV's a consumption figure similar to a petrol L/100 km that is based on the electricity used.
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14-12-2014, 01:07 AM | #19 | |||
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You probably would need to drive the Mirage closer to full throttle to merge onto the freeway at somewhere close to 100kph, though. Then again, however, Perth freeways do have ridiculously long on and off-ramps, so there's really no excuse for not getting up to speed when merging.
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14-12-2014, 06:44 AM | #20 | ||
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I seem to remember car reviews that included a "basket of common parts" included...was it the RACQ magazine or one of the bigger car mags like Motor or something? They used to have a list of parts commonly needed such as filters, mufflers, indicators/taillights, etc...stuff you could be expected to need over a few years of average ownership.
Made for some interesting reading and comparison of what a particular car might be like to actually own when looked at directly against a similar one from a different maker. It would be more relevant nowadays too where the staggeringly big majority of car buyers are "badge blind"...no longer do they feel they "must" buy a Holden or a Falcon or whatever simply because daddy had one and his daddy had one...something that Australian makers have, sadly, not realized, just trusting people to keep on buying simply because of the badge on the back, rather than the car itself. They're better informed too because of the internet. Now most people, when looking at a new or second hand car, will jump straight on Google and put in something like "(Insert brand and model name) long term test" or "test drive" and whatever they're looking at, and get dozens of reports on what cars are like before going near a dealership. And a better informed buying public who demands more from the makers only improves the breed. Car makers cannot afford to get lazy and rely on repeat customers who will just keep buying whatever they wheel out. That is good for all of us. |
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14-12-2014, 07:32 AM | #21 | ||
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So are we putting bets on the Mustang winning 2015's?
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14-12-2014, 10:30 AM | #22 | ||
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But the car itself doesn't emit any emissions hence the sentence.
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14-12-2014, 10:31 AM | #23 | ||
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True, but with the increasing use of domestic solar panel tech, the impacts are getting less and less. What we need is next gen tech with capacitors to store the energy that can then be used anytime day or night to recharge your car. Only emissions would then be from the manufacturing process.
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14-12-2014, 11:22 AM | #24 | ||
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The car produces zero emissions. If you wanted to compare apples to apples you could include the emissions of running a petrol station and the emissions for trucking fuel around etc.
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14-12-2014, 11:27 AM | #25 | |||
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On topic, i like that C 200 Merc, pretty good buying! cheers, Maka
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14-12-2014, 12:23 PM | #26 | |||
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Mustang for COTY...? Don't really think so...it's not revolutionary enough a new model. Doesn't the car have to be completely new and a big change over the previous one? Just because a car is "interesting" doesn't mean it's automatically the "best"... |
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14-12-2014, 12:50 PM | #27 | ||
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14-12-2014, 02:33 PM | #28 | |||
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http://www.teslamotors.com/supercharger So whilst its not available right now in homes, doesn't mean its not possible and won't be the "norm" in 5 years time. There is a considerable environmental and political push for these sorts of solutions. It will be here sooner rather than later. |
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14-12-2014, 04:22 PM | #29 | |||
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Wheels test two up afaik & were way under that - http://www.fordforums.com.au/photos/...hp?photo=60729 check the fifth page please. Oh yeah, the Tesla is certainly very nice - what i'd love to know if there's any servicing to be done by the home mechanic? cheers, Maka
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