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Old 22-11-2015, 02:52 AM   #1
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Great drives: The Nurburgring


Why the green hell is heaven on earth for car enthusiasts.


David McCowen
21 November 2015


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Famously known as "the green hell", the nickname bestowed on Germany's Nurburgring Nordschliefe circuit does not do it justice.

Though undoubtedly treacherous, the snaking route through Germany's Eifel Mountains is closer to heaven-on-earth for motoring enthusiasts. It combines every type of corner you could hope to find in the real world – and some you would hope to avoid – in a 20.8 kilometre roller coaster that represents one of the most challenging and rewarding experiences a driver can hope for.



The Carousel is the most famous bend on the Nurburgring. Photo: Supplied


Here are five reasons the Nurburgring can't be beaten.


The history

The Nurburgring Nordschliefe is in elite company as one of Europe's great circuits. Opened in 1927 following a construction program that employed 3000 people, the 'ring stood out from the beginning as the world's toughest racetrack.



Several manufacturers, including BMW, use the Nurburgring to develop road cars. Photo: Supplied


Long, fast and unforgiving, the circuit has played host to first-class motorsport such as Formula 1 and the World Endurance Championship, though those categories have outgrown a circuit that punishes mistakes with fearsome results

It's the scene of a crash that almost killed former world driver's champion Niki Lauda, and a place that cemented the legend of the late racer Stefan Bellof, who set times at the track decades ago that are never likely to be beaten.

More recently, the circuit has become an infamous proving ground for car makers looking to test their wares. Many of the world's top brands – for performance cars and regular models – use the circuit as the ultimate torture test for mechanical components.

A fast lap at the 'ring is the measure of a complete car, one that can go, stop and handle the most challenging circuit in the world. Companies ranging from Nissan and Renault to Porsche and Pagani have used the track to prove the capabilities of their cars. It has attracted professional drivers, tourists and spectators from around the world for many years, and looks set to do so for years to come.


The accessibility

There are plenty of iconic race tracks around the world, but gaining access to them can be difficult. Australia's Mount Panorama is a public road closed for racing just three times each year, while world-class facilities such as Victoria's Phillip Island, Italy's Monza or Belgium's Spa-Francorchamps offer limited opportunities for regular drivers to get on and have a go – usually for a fairly steep price.



Motorcycles and cars share space at the Nurburgring.


The Nurburgring takes a different approach, allowing tourist drivers to take "touristenfahrten" laps of the track on most non-racing days for just $40 per lap – or more at a bulk discount.

Drivers – and motorcycle riders – simply purchase tickets or have laps loaded onto a pre-paid card, then drive up to circuit toll booths and have a go on the world-renowned circuit. Nowhere else in the world allows motorists to simply arrive and drive in the same casual fashion, though there are plenty of rules to adhere to.

The circuit is officially treated as a one-way road, which means slow cars must give way to faster machines by moving over to the right, and that overtaking can only be completed on the left side of slower traffic.



Holden tested its VF Commodore Ute at the German circuit. Photo: Supplied


Damage to circuit infrastructure such as metal guardrails must be paid for – and the track can also charge for closure time, making prangs particularly expensive. Blend that with the fact that some European rental and insurance companies specifically exclude Nurburgring damage from their coverage, and caution becomes key. Drivers are forbidden from racing other road users or timing their best laps, and are encouraged to be courteous to faster and slower traffic.


The setting

Located south of Cologne and west of Frankfurt, the Nurburgring offers plenty of charm. There are the picturesque Nurburg and Adenau villages, a medieval castle and plenty of motorsport-themed pubs and restaurants worth visiting.



Porsche's 918 Spyder is the fastest supercar around the Nurburgring.


Simply driving to the 'ring is an experience in itself. Unrestricted autobahns allow you to cruise at speeds over 200km/h where conditions are appropriate, and plenty of the roads surrounding the circuit have a sweeping, hilly nature that keen drivers welcome.

It's a pretty place, with lush hillsides, quaint architecture and a petrolhead vibe reinforced by the throng of performance cars and bikes milling about in warmer months.

Many of the hotels are well-equipped to support race track adventures and some, such as the Hotel An Der Nordschleife, offer workshop facilities including car lifts and tools to help visitors prepare for a tilt at the circuit.

The most convenient trackside petrol station is an enthusiast's treat. Located on the Dottinger Hohe straight, customers can top up with fuel, browse through several rooms of model cars or racing merchandise and buy a racing helmet, gloves and boots on the way back to the circuit.

It's good to start a track session with a full tank of fuel on board, as cars consume far more of the stuff when pedalled at speed than cruising on public roads.


The cars

Anyone can drive just about any car – or motorcycle - on the Nurburgring. Race cars with slick tyres are banned from public sessions, as are quad bikes and any vehicles incapable of cruising at 60km/h or more.

Most of the track has no speed limits, and motorists drive to their own discretion. Some are content to trundle along at a sensible road pace, while others push the limits of physics in hardcore machines such as Porsche's 911 GT3 or Nissan's GT-R. Most drivers take their own personal car onto the track.

It's no surprise that the majority of machines are geared toward enthusiasts – cars such as Volkswagen's Golf GTI and BMW's M3 are commonplace, and there are plenty of exotic models too.

For Australians considering a trip to the 'ring, driving a hire car from the airport onto the circuit is a bad idea. Most hire companies in Germany specifically exclude the Nurburgring from their insurance arrangements, and some will require customers to pay for new tyres and brakes for models that have been taken to the track.

The better option is to hire a car at the circuit. Several groups such as RSR Nurburg and Rent Race Car offer sporty cars such as the Toyota 86 and Renault Clio RS for hire for around $100 per lap – usually for a minimum of four laps. Experienced drivers can hire anything from performance-oriented BMWs and Porsches to a McLaren MP4-12C supercar. The latter currently costs around $4000 – for four laps, plus $30,000 for a security deposit and worst-case-scenario insurance excess of well more than $200,000.


The challenge

There's a reason insurance excesses at the circuit are high. It's an incredibly challenging circuit with numerous opportunities for disaster.

There are dozens of corners, each with their own opportunity for trouble. Learning the 20.8 kilometre route can take years of experience, though a little bit of research can go a long way.

New visitors can pay a professional tutor to talk them through the course, and there are many ways to do your homework beforehand. YouTube is full of guided laps with instructors talking through the right approach to each section, as well as crash compilations that depict what not to do.

Video games can also help drivers prepare for what lies ahead, though only insofar as memorising what bend comes next. Taking the Fox Hole's 200km/h left-hand depression flat in Gran Turismo or Forza Motorsport is one thing, but replicating the same feat in real life requires serious commitment and a strong degree of familiarity with the car of choice.

There are many technical elements to the circuit.

There are the jinking, tightening esses of the Hatzenbach early in the lap, the crested uphill straight that encourages cars to catch air before Flugplatz and the twin right hand bends – descending and ascending – formally known as Brunnchen, or colloquially as "YouTube corner", as it is a common crash site.

The most famous bend on the track is the banked, 180-degree Karrusel that turns back on itself, inviting drivers to use cambered concrete drainage plates to hook through the corner at speeds not possible on its flatter top surface.

Like anywhere else on the 'ring, it's easy to get the Karrusel wrong.

Nailing the bend is an incredible feeling.

Linking all 73 together at pace is one of the greatest challenges in motoring, one that keeps people from around the world coming back, year after year.


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Old 22-11-2015, 08:41 AM   #2
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Would be happy just have Sabine Schmitz chauffeur me around at speed anyday.

Would love to make it back to Germany ... was there when I was 10yo. Such an amazing country to travel around.
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Spent a weekend at the Green Hell earlier this year. The track is massive fun, especially with someone who has some experience on it. But it is often closed due to accidents, which leads to a lot of waiting around. It re-opens for 10 minutes and everyone rushes to the entry, then a few minutes later someone else is off and it's closed again...

Can also recommend a bistro/beer garden called Cockpit, in Adenau. Great burgers and schnitzels, and often the carpark is packed with some VERY nice cars.
Part of the track, actually runs over a bridge next to the place.

Down the road there is also a nice little kebab/pizza place as well.

Here's me on a lap with a friend. One of the best drivers I know actually.
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Would be happy just have Sabine Schmitz chauffeur me around at speed anyday.

Would love to make it back to Germany ... was there when I was 10yo. Such an amazing country to travel around.
Ha Ha- loved watching a video of Sabine driving a high powered german car, round a track and got a time with the stability control gumph on. Then the deal was that she would turn it off and see what time she got with it all off.

When she did her hot lap with stability control on, she then exclaimed something along the lines of , "ah - now lets turn off this s***** now and drive the car properly.."
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I vote for a lap as a passenger with Sabine. As a first time driver there you wouldn't get the same experience of speed as you would with a fast female driver. Maybe too emasculating for many...
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' would love to do this.

I checked out some of the places noted that you can rent a car from - check out some of the "financial responsibilities"!

.... excesses over 10,000 euro for mechanical breakage or collision.

Maybe better to buy a second hand thing
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Guys I haven't yet had that pleasure, but its on the bucket list, but if you want something a little closer to home, head down to Tassie and drive some of the roads in Targa Tas and two that stand out are Sidling over in the north east 14 kms of sinuous mountain road and the ultimate would have to be Cethana, in the Nth West 37 km of one of the best tarmac rally roads in the world - even the Germans come out to drive this road -pure sex.....the best fun with your clothes on.
Targa Tas is the ultimate tarmac rally and the best value motorsport you can get, I have done it more than a dozen times.
The worst part is the lack of adrenalin after the event, it takes a couple of weeks to come down.
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Maybe better to buy a second hand thing
This is actually our plan for next year.
Every year, the other forum I'm on, has a meet at the 'Ring for a weekend of tourist laps and standing around.

People drive from all over Europe (and some fly in from elsewhere), to attend. Leading to the creation of a group road trip to the meet.
This year we did Helsinki to Oslo, via Nordkapp, for 2 weeks, then ferry to Denmark and on to the campsite in Germany.

Next year the plan is to buy $500 junkers, start in Edinburgh, and do Scotland, Wales, England, through Calais and Belgium, to the usual spot in Germany.

Then take the junkers on tourist laps for the lulz.
Much like this, which was 2014:
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This is actually our plan for next year.
Every year, the other forum I'm on, has a meet at the 'Ring for a weekend of tourist laps and standing around.

People drive from all over Europe (and some fly in from elsewhere), to attend. Leading to the creation of a group road trip to the meet.
This year we did Helsinki to Oslo, via Nordkapp, for 2 weeks, then ferry to Denmark and on to the campsite in Germany.

Next year the plan is to buy $500 junkers, start in Edinburgh, and do Scotland, Wales, England, through Calais and Belgium, to the usual spot in Germany.

Then take the junkers on tourist laps for the lulz.
Much like this, which was 2014:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nx3XwYplfpI
Cool trips.
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Cool trips.
They are rather epic.
This year: 15 internet car nerds from various countries, 8 cars, a bike, 12 days, 6000km.

Included in our trip:
We crossed into and out of the Arctic Circle


We drove the Atlantic Ocean Road, Norway

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JlzLfjKG2g

We were granted special permission to take our vehicles to the lookout at Nordkapp (the northernmost point of the European continent, accessible by car)


We drove (and climbed) the Trollstigen - Troll Ladder

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTlsgKVilYI

There was jawdropping scenery, we experienced the midnight sun (and some rather astonishing sunsets), we stayed in some amazing locations, including with family of some of the participants.
At the end of the day, we all enjoyed a BBQ and a beer or two together, which for me, was one of the best parts of the trip.

I left Australia having only met 2 of the others, briefly, over 18 months earlier.
I came home with 14 lifelong mates.

Sorry, I've hijacked the thread.
But for anyone interested, my Flickr album from the trip is here: https://flic.kr/s/aHskhSbFDd
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I spent two days over Easter at the ring in 2011 and one day at Spa on a trackday
Hired this for the two days at the ring and wore myself out.


The two days had to be the busiest 'track' events I have ever sen. Cars from Germany, france, belgium, italy and the uk plus many others.
This being the fastest of them by far

It ended up on the back of a recovery truck after the 17 year old pimply teen broke it (son on a russian oligarch was the rumor)
despite being a fwd Swift it was the stage 3 spec car. fully caged as you can see, race seats, semi slick r888's big brakes, worked suspensiona nd about 60% more power than standard. hit an indicated 240Km's under the gantry at the end of the run. I managed a low nine minute lap BTG so its not 'slow'
Also left hand drive and it was wet on occasion so a real challenge being onthe wrong side of the car in the wet on almost slicks...I decided to visit the Castle while it rained rather than possibly bin it.
I went over from London with a group of small ford guys, escorts and sierras, the least powerful of which was a 350HP escort van!
excellent adventure with good mates.

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I've done laps in a Renault Clio RS which was fantastic! Great fun revving it out instead of boring flat torque/power of a Golf GTI or something.
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Sorry, I've hijacked the thread.
But for anyone interested, my Flickr album from the trip is here: https://flic.kr/s/aHskhSbFDd
It’s not high jacking, it’s all in the same vein and if it was it’s still worth it just to see those stunning photos.
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Visited and drove the 'ring back in 2011 (used the same car as JP judging by the plates) and had an absolute ball. The track is much more intimidating than the pictures and videos would have you believe and being overtaken at 140km/h by a woman piloting a GT3-RS also rattles your nerves Would definitely recommend it.

Thoroughly enjoyed the 'ring and after three weeks traveling around the place, fell in love with Germany too. Berlin by far exceeded expectations.
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