Deciphering a Red-Light Offense - Page 2

STEALTHY · 12-07-2016, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Tassie f100

Bit off track I know but I have often wonderered if you stop at a red light,check that the intersection is clear then drive through, have you commited an offence as you did stop at a red light

You'll still get the fine for disobeying traffic signal. The law is something like "must not enter intersection on red light"

VIC drivers are the worst for this. They'll slowly roll through until they're almost getting t boned by the cross traffic, yet dont realise they've actualy broken the law, and should have just plowed through at the speed limit at the start of the cycle.

Alot of the time, they dont even go when it changes to green cause they're too busy looking right to make sure they're not gonna get hit lol

mik · 12-07-2016, 01:31 PM

Almost worth the fine for that nice piccy , some nice scenery with the trees in the back ground , and even a bit of a rainbow in the sky , and not a bad pic of the terri wizzing around the corner with the KW on the left

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ozrunner · 12-07-2016, 01:36 PM

All good info.

Crazy Dazz it would seem you goofed from that pic so blame the missus

In WA the amber to my knowledge doesn't mean you have to stop on it but be prepared to stop as the red is coming next.

Maybe the same in other States but most of our major intersections have a set of amber lights before the actual intersection that also start flashing when the amber light starts so they warn you that you need to prepare to stop and there is enough distance to do so.

My questions related to the scenarios where you have already past this warning set when they and the actual lights turn amber and in many cases unless you hit the picks hard you may stop well over the white line etc so its safer to carry on.

Hence my question whether this would activate the camera, which doesn't appear to be the case as you entered the intersection under an amber not a red and any time details shown on the infringement would obviously show this.

Junkyard-Dog · 12-07-2016, 01:57 PM

I thought it was auto loss of license for six months or some crap like that if you ran a red?

STEALTHY · 12-07-2016, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Junkyard-Dog

I thought it was auto loss of license for six months or some crap like that if you ran a red?

Havn't heard of that before, but i fully support it

**FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0** · 12-07-2016, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ozrunner

In WA the amber to my knowledge doesn't mean you have to stop on it but be prepared to stop as the red is coming next.

I think you need to freshen up on your road rules, ozrunner....

Taken from the WA Road Traffic Code 2000, Part 6, Division 1, Clause 41:

41. Stopping for circular yellow signal or yellow arrow
(1) If a traffic-control signal facing a driver displays a steady
circular yellow signal or a yellow arrow, the driver shall not
proceed beyond the stop line associated with the signal or the
stop line of the lane associated with the signal or in the absence
of a stop line, at a point adjacent to the nearest appropriate
traffic-control signal, unless the driver is so close to the stop
line, or traffic-control signal, when the circular yellow signal or
yellow arrow first appears, that the driver cannot safely stop the
vehicle before passing over the stop line.
Points: 2 Modified penalty: 4 PU
(2) If a traffic-control signal facing a driver displays a steady
circular yellow signal or a yellow arrow and the driver cannot
safely stop the vehicle in accordance with subregulation (1), but
can stop safely before entering the intersection, the driver shall
stop before entering the intersection.
Points: 2 Modified penalty: 4 PU

Vesper Martini · 12-07-2016, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ozrunner

Hence my question whether this would activate the camera, which doesn't appear to be the case as you entered the intersection under an amber not a red and any time details shown on the infringement would obviously show this.

He's Actually entered the intersection under a red.
To explain their definition of entered: the camera only looks at the back of the vehicle so it only checks when the back of the vehicle crosses the lines.

Quite simple If the light is red and the line is crossed then snap!

Now if you get fully into the intersection under Amber, which is still technically illegal.
the camera wont go off.

STEALTHY · 12-07-2016, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Bevsta007

He's Actually entered the intersection under a red.
To explain their definition of entered: the camera only looks at the back of the vehicle so it only checks when the back of the vehicle crosses the lines.

Quite simple If the light is red and the line is crossed then snap!

Now if you get fully into the intersection under Amber, which is still technically illegal.
the camera wont go off.

Which means, he blatently ran the red. Theres no suitable reason for running a red (other than maybe moving for an emergency vehicle, but keep in mind this is still illegal and the fine will stand if you challenge it).

The excuse of 'theres always lots of cars turning' is crap! Dont want to wait? pick a different way home

irvinnie · 12-07-2016, 06:14 PM

The offence isn't not stop, it's disobey red light so yes you would commit an offence by going through a red light even after stopping.

SYZ · 12-07-2016, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by irvinnie

The offence isn't not stop, it's disobey red light so yes you would commit an offence by going through a red light even after stopping.

There are two buried loops. You have to pass over both loops during the red cycle to trigger the red-light camera.

ozrunner · 13-07-2016, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by psychobimbo

I think you need to freshen up on your road rules, ozrunner....

Taken from the WA Road Traffic Code 2000, Part 6, Division 1, Clause 41:

41. Stopping for circular yellow signal or yellow arrow

(1) If a traffic-control signal facing a driver displays a steady circular yellow signal or a yellow arrow, the driver shall not proceed beyond the stop line associated with the signal or the stop line of the lane associated with the signal or in the absence of a stop line, at a point adjacent to the nearest appropriate traffic-control signal, unless the driver is so close to the stop line, or traffic-control signal, when the circular yellow signal or yellow arrow first appears, that the driver cannot safely stop the vehicle before passing over the stop line.
Points: 2 Modified penalty: 4 PU
(2) If a traffic-control signal facing a driver displays a steady circular yellow signal or a yellow arrow and the driver cannot safely stop the vehicle in accordance with subregulation (1), but can stop safely before entering the intersection, the driver shall stop before entering the intersection.
Points: 2 Modified penalty: 4 PU

I've yet to see anyone actually stop on an amber

and if Bevsta007 is comment is correct it explains why "Now if you get fully into the intersection under Amber, which is still technically illegal the camera wont go off".

So it basically would have to turn red just as you enter to trigger the camera which means (2) is doing nothing towards road safety as no infringements would eventuate unless it turned red just beforehand.

Crazy Dazz · 13-07-2016, 12:29 AM

I was initially puzzled by what the numbers meant. Hence the thread.
However what i think now is that it is saying that the light was Red for 1.26 seconds before I triggered it.
(I don't like the way these lights are managed, but that's beside the point.)
Unless anyone has any alternative theories on the number, I think we're done.

prydey · 13-07-2016, 01:01 AM

Once upon a time the camera's at intersections would take two pictures. First obviously triggered when a vehicle crosses the line and a second one almost immediately to determine if the vehicle continued through the intersection. I still see two flashes so i assume it is still the case.

STEALTHY · 13-07-2016, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by ozrunner

I've yet to see anyone actually stop on an amber

and if Bevsta007 is comment is correct it explains why "Now if you get fully into the intersection under Amber, which is still technically illegal the camera wont go off".

So it basically would have to turn red just as you enter to trigger the camera which means (2) is doing nothing towards road safety as no infringements would eventuate unless it turned red just beforehand.

Just because a camera cant catch it, doesn't mean a cop cant ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

(I don't like the way these lights are managed, but that's beside the point.)

Contact your road authority. I'm sure they'll appreciate the input about an intersection thats not working efficently.

Mercury Bullet · 13-07-2016, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

image

Wanneroo Rd and Hepburn Ave...I hate that intersection. There's a fixed speed camera there too, I got done for 8km/h over there last year because I used to accelerate slightly on amber if I didn't feel I could stop.

So many idiot drivers on pole position fall asleep and miss the turning arrows too. It's a bloody long wait for the next greens. I totally understand Dazz's frustration with the intersection.

NTF6 · 13-07-2016, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ljf12

I don't know if it is still the same now but around 10 years ago my wife was fined, the light was amber when she entered the intersection, you did not have to run a red light to be charged.

Still the same here in the NT, you can be fined for trying to beat a red light by entering an intersection on the amber!

Magna · 13-07-2016, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ljf12

I don't know if it is still the same now but around 10 years ago my wife was fined, the light was amber when she entered the intersection, you did not have to run a red light to be charged.

unbelievable but apparently true in Victoria as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy8u8dzTzSg

**FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0** · 13-07-2016, 02:23 PM

I think you guys in the last few posts have not read the entire thread. Quick interpretation of the road rules is (and this is in my words, so no bush lawyers required):

You must stop on an amber unless unsafe to do so.

You must stop on a red.

(in the above cases, stop also means not enter the intersection beyond the relevant control line)

You can be fined for either or both of these, but you are unlikely to have a happy snap for the former as it is very difficult for a camera to interpret the circumstances. You are most likely to get pinged for this by a copper using his/her discretion (ie taking into account the circumstances)

The latter is most likely going to be a happy snap situation as a camera doesn't need to know the circumstances, it just needs to know you have passed the control line.

I am amazed at the number of people who still think that an amber means speed up to get through before the lights go red.

Hope that sums up the (off topic, really) discussion.

Hally · 14-07-2016, 10:19 AM

It seems that the car was not stopped at the intersection, rather coming towards the right hand turn (detected at 38 kph) and tried to get around on the red arrow.

I would be saying that because it happened at 4.50pm on a Saturday, was it you or the missus driving? It would be good if you can shift to the wife particularly if she doesn't drive much.