May VFACTS Mustang outsells ZB. - Page 2

ronwest · 06-06-2018, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by GO FURTHER

Many are likely to have been registered as demos by the dealers

A trick car dealers are using more and more these days, is ordering a new car from the manufacturer, immediately registering it as a demo, and then claiming the demontrator allowance rebate back from the manufactuer, which then allows them to sell the cars with only a few kilometres on them at lower prices.

Many of these registered "demonstrators" are not used for taking prospective buyers for test drives either, so are as good as a new car with only maybe 50Kms on them.

Yep, My Calais V (VF2) had 15 kms on it but was sold as a demo.

I don't know how they get around whatever regulations are in place.

Mine was registered the day before they advertised it as a demo but I received all the new car stuff inc a letter from the CEO and a bunch of freebies (family portrait appointment, theatre tickets, leather, embossed, document pouch, logo'd key ring, plus other stuff I can't rem).

I'm not complaining as it was discounted thousands from new price but it has to be a rort.

jpd80 · 06-06-2018, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ronwest

Yep, My Calais V (VF2) had 15 kms on it but was sold as a demo.

I don't know how they get around whatever regulations are in place.

Mine was registered the day before they advertised it as a demo but I received all the new car stuff inc a letter from the CEO and a bunch of freebies (family portrait appointment, theatre tickets, leather, embossed, document pouch, logo'd key ring, plus other stuff I can't rem).

I'm not complaining as it was discounted thousands from new price but it has to be a rort.

Once it's registered by the dealer, they become the first owner.
A demo is then technically a used car.

Joe5619 · 06-06-2018, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

For a Ford forum, the critics often seem back to front. whenever a Ford product doesn't sell well, it is lambasted from pillar to post, and yet here we have a holden product not quite living up to expectations, and apologies are being made for it.

I actually agree that new products should be cut a bit more slack. While the commodore name continues, it is actually a new car, so may take some time to take hold in the market. I just think the same courtesy should be shown to Ford products. Ranger is the perfect example. It had a pretty slow start as well.

Agreed!!

whales · 07-06-2018, 08:47 AM

Holden will get contract to supply police Depts. etc with the ZB then they will be selling thousands of them.

Bossxr8 · 07-06-2018, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

The Spark was axed in April. No money at that end of the market.
https://www.caradvice.com.au/641248/...-discontinued/

On Friday I spotted an ad in the paper for "Demo" (ie registered phantom sales) 2017 Holden Astra's with auto for $14,990 drive away. Now that is how desperate Holden dealer are at the moment.

Spark was only recently announced as being axed, they still will have plenty of supply for a while.

The price cuts on astra have been insane, and they did it from very early after it's release, cause it tanked so badly. Pretty much everything they have released lately has tanked. They are in serious trouble. Nothing has done well.

The increase in ZB "sales" in most likely a huge amount of dealer registered demo's with Holden desperate to avoid the negative press of such low numbers the previous months. Trying to keep it out of the news.

Syndrome · 07-06-2018, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

The increase in ZB "sales" in most likely a huge amount of dealer registered demo's with Holden desperate to avoid the negative press of such low numbers the previous months. Trying to keep it out of the news.

Why would dealers take on additional stock knowing it will be difficult to sell?

Sprintey · 07-06-2018, 05:46 PM

Compare apples to apples in the segment, the segment being midsize FWD sedans:

ZB Commodore 885
Mondeo 167

jpd80 · 07-06-2018, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Syndrome

Why would dealers take on additional stock knowing it will be difficult to sell?

Because they're told to that by Holden?

Sprintey · 07-06-2018, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Syndrome

Why would dealers take on additional stock knowing it will be difficult to sell?

Because it's the same company that paid >$500Mn US to sponsor ManU via Chevy, then completely pulled out of Europe. lol that one is my favourite but there are others... Made the electric car by 2001 then crushed them all...

Spammy · 07-06-2018, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ronwest

Yep, My Calais V (VF2) had 15 kms on it but was sold as a demo.

I don't know how they get around whatever regulations are in place.

Mine was registered the day before they advertised it as a demo but I received all the new car stuff inc a letter from the CEO and a bunch of freebies (family portrait appointment, theatre tickets, leather, embossed, document pouch, logo'd key ring, plus other stuff I can't rem).

I'm not complaining as it was discounted thousands from new price but it has to be a rort.

I purchased a demo a cple of years ago that had 2km on it and the plates were sitting on the passenger floor still in the plastic bag.

**russellw** · 08-06-2018, 07:59 AM

The graphical stats for May are now uploaded in the Tech Portal.

Cheers
Russ

HSVKILLA · 09-06-2018, 06:57 AM

A bit of whats happening in our sales over the ditch here in nz

http://www.driven.co.nz/news/news/pr...vehicle-sales/

kevino · 09-06-2018, 08:22 AM

HSV KILLA do you know how many ZB Commodores sold in Nz last month.

**russellw** · 09-06-2018, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by kevino

HSV KILLA do you know how many ZB Commodores sold in Nz last month.

May figures should be out shortly. It topped the NZ passenger sales in March with 310 sold and YTD (April) it had sold 718 to be 9th in the passenger segment overall.

Cheers
Russ

HSVKILLA · 09-06-2018, 10:39 AM

As others have been saying i also haven't seen a zb on the roads over here,or maybe i have and it just looked like a cruze etc and didn't notice,i see a lot of mustangs very often,and some wicked looking and sounding ones to.

kevino · 09-06-2018, 11:07 AM

Bit cool in Rotovegas today?

I live on the Gold Coast and saw my second zb on the road yesterday a plain white job heading out of Surfers Paradise. Would have been a rental. Heaps of Mustangs here. More Mustangs than FGX,s.

HSVKILLA · 09-06-2018, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by kevino

Bit cool in Rotovegas today?

I live on the Gold Coast and saw my second zb on the road yesterday a plain white job heading out of Surfers Paradise. Would have been a rental. Heaps of Mustangs here. More Mustangs than FGX,s.

Yeah cool but not cold,just the right temp i would have to say at 14 degrees,i see about the same amount of fg-x's as i do mustangs.

SumoDog68 · 09-06-2018, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

there was similar fanfare on here when Toyota and Subaru released the little 86/BRZ. everyone was like 'oh yeah, this will sell like hot cakes. its rear wheel drive...'.

ba bow.

while people like to believe there is reasonable demand for performance still, there is still a reasonable amount of badge snobbery also, and just because AMG sales are high, doesn't mean a KIA will sell well.

Funny thing is in Australia Toyota actually sold 20 000 of 86 model since 2012 . There would be a few of Subaru BRZ variant to add to that too. Not a bad effort for a very niche little sports car.

SumoDog68 · 09-06-2018, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by HSVKILLA

As others have been saying i also haven't seen a zb on the roads over here,or maybe i have and it just looked like a cruze etc and didn't notice,i see a lot of mustangs very often,and some wicked looking and sounding ones to.

Very entertaining trying to judge sales based on what you see on the road. ZB blends in and is harder to spot than a Mustang .
I drove around expensive suburb in Melbourne and have never seen more AMGs around - pretty much everywhere. So it does depend where you drive and it is too random to try and draw any conclusions out of it.
We have VFACTS to compare sales numbers :-)

au350hp · 09-06-2018, 01:59 PM

I'm yet to see a new commodore on the road but to be honest, I don't think I'd recognise one if I did. Holden's current bunch of offerings are all very generic looking designs, nothing to really get excited about in their range. Ford were clever with the Ranger, getting it well established here and the Mustang for the Falcon fan, also a smart move with 4&8cyl option. In the 80's, any performance oriented 4cyl I can remember, was more expensive than a Mustang EcoBoost or the brilliant Focus RS is today. It seems with a smaller model range, car co's will really need to know their customer well to ensure success of any new model in the future. Maybe one advantage of Ford's global plan is the cars might have more research & design in them hopefully resulting in less issues. Whatever is next for us here, I'd be surprised if a large four door sedan was in the works.

roddy1960 · 09-06-2018, 05:06 PM

nup ,in the last month , not a single one ...not a single stinger , two FGX's , about half a dozen Mustangs and a squillion SUV's.

I'll start looking for hen's teeth . I'll find more .....

radler · 09-06-2018, 06:02 PM

My boss has the stinger and there is another one around the local area, the local Holden dealer had the ‘new, commodore parked on the driveway , outside of that I ain’t seen none ...

mike_nofx · 09-06-2018, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

And yes stinger is only selling like 200-300 a month. It will never be as popular as people think it should be. I know they are supply limited but the novelty will quickly wear off them imo.

You mean... taking a turd and making it go fast isnt fooling people??

jpd80 · 09-06-2018, 10:01 PM

Or maybe those who say they want a performance sedan are still not buying it because it's the wrong brand..

If that Stinger was redone with Ford nose and tail and sold as Capri XR6 Turbo they'd probably move
five times as many...

JIm260 · 10-06-2018, 04:33 PM

I have seen three stingers in town, I havent "seen" any ZB's probably because they are so bland they blend in with the alsorans..........

Cheers
JIm

csv8 · 11-06-2018, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by HSVKILLA

A bit of whats happening in our sales over the ditch here in nz

http://www.driven.co.nz/news/news/pr...vehicle-sales/

Ranger outsells the Hilux 2:1 in NZ . Big difference to Australia where sales are about equal. Interesting!

Bossxr8 · 12-06-2018, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Syndrome

Why would dealers take on additional stock knowing it will be difficult to sell?

They have supply deals with Holden. And Holden offers incentives to register demos.

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Originally Posted by Sprintey

Compare apples to apples in the segment, the segment being midsize FWD sedans:

ZB Commodore 885
Mondeo 167

Actually they are different segments. ZB is still in the large car category and Mondeo is medium.