Potential Class Action Against Toyota Hilux DPF Filters,

[buggerlugs]

Originally Posted by Romulus

Anyone dumb enough to buy a Hilux, Prado or Fortuner should expect this from Toyota. Toyota probably state it’s a driving condition problem, not a vehicle problem. I sort of agree, you have to have a certain mindset and skill set (or lack thereof) to buy into Toyota’s marketing and believe their BS.


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Big Statement..........................

[buggerlugs]

Originally Posted by smoo

Have Toyota’s track record had Aussie customers being burnt by Toyota on after sales service?
Their huge sales across the segments would suggest not.
And hey the same analogy could be applied to Ford buyers especially FoA blasé attitude to buyers with Falcon & Territory warranty issues, powershift issues and euro Ford diesel DPF issues.

Nailed it in one..................

[Romulus]

I'm not defending either manufacturer. From my past experience, Ford has come to the party when it comes to warranty, even when one of my PX Rangers was out of warranty, and the transmission was replaced.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Sprintey

A shout out to our old, mechanical, non direct injection, pre-combustion chamber 2H diesel, which took us around Oz when it was already an older car. Started with 285,000km, ended with 440,000km (so to the moon and on the way back). One alternator, and one wire into solenoid on starter motor, that was all that went wrong, in all that time and kms. Well done Isuzu and Toyota.

Ay men to that. Only mine are all direct injection. Two of the Traders are 380 000km , 570 000km and still pulling strong with just normal servicing.

Just wondering why all these diesel haters crap on about how bad diesel is bah, bah, when all petroleum based fuels are polluting.
This new gen, university challenged greenie movement think oh I can't see pollution, therefore it doesn't exist.
Transport is transport , diesel, petrol, gas, electric, pedal power and in any form it pollutes.
rant over...back to thread topic.

Country Motel owner where I'm staying just bought himself a new Hilux extra cab tray model. He reckons Toyota have done some emission mods already.

[Sprintey]

Yep Rokwiz I dreamt of the HJ61 but could afford the HJ60 It was slow but dependable...


Car Advice picked up the story a few days ago, comments are interesting below article:

https://www.caradvice.com.au/713664/...on-toyota-dpf/


Best comment is at the end,


"Face it, most of these designs are done by "schoolboys" whose only qualification is being great on Autocad - no other experience necessary. Look around you, nearly everything you see these days suffers from **** poor design. If manufacturers spent as much time getting their engines and drivelines sorted as they do creating worthless new software gargoyles that, for instance apply one front brake to give better turn in, then they they would not be suffering from these problems. Rise up consumers - make em pay."

I've been building things for 25 years now, and having turned the hand to CAD and composite production the last two years, it's a new learning curve, but I'm so glad I have the years of experience of building/machining beforehand to know how to finesse in the construction. While I can now do amazing things I couldn't contemplate before, I've had to use the old school 'pull it apart' method to fix the new equipment from time to time, and to know to to position/combine parts being constructed. They will still require testing for durability.

[Rob 351]

Certainly a lot of very unhappy owners in that articles comments section.
Even some are saying this engine is worse than the Nissan 3.0 td as used in the Patrol....
Big statement.....

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Rob 351

Certainly a lot of very unhappy owners in that articles comments section.
Even some are saying this engine is worse than the Nissan 3.0 td as used in the Patrol....
Big statement.....

That is a big statement. The 3.0 nissan was a hand grenade engine.

[Sprintey]

Japanese did the styling and Euros did the powerplant - what could possibly go wrong

[zabatron]

I was stopped at the lights yesterday and I saw a quite new Thailux twin cab ute blowing more white smoke than Puffing Billy...Not the first one I have seen doing this.Also,a guy at work has one of these which was purchased brand new about 2 years ago.He told me cant wait to get rid of it due to constant dpf issues(yes it also regularly leaves a trail of smelly white smoke),loss of power,turbo failure(replaced under warranty),constantly blowing headlight globes,and poor handling/harsh ride.

[Bossxr8]

The Hilux’s are no longer unbreakable like the older one’s just about were.

[chookaradley]

They are still banking on a reputation of being unbreakable, hence still the number 1 selling vehicle in Australia. Toyotas these days are just ok. Not really class leading in any aspect, and are seriously playing with fire if they dont get this sorted.

It takes many years to forge a good reputation, but it can be lost in a heartbeat. Lets face it, the Ranger is a better truck in every concievable measurement, and breathing down the neck of the Hilux.

[ivorya]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Are you implying that Toyota are bypassing emissions regs by offering delete kits for mine work? Hmm i wonder what the epa would think of this.

Especially once the vehicles are finished with and sent off to auction? Do they refit the emissions equipment or send them out with illegal modifications?

There was another thread on here a while ago where someone stated that they don't have to comply with epa on Private land. Not sure how true this is.

I guess, when you go to buy your 2nd hand Hilux, read who owned it and check someone to check the DPF

[naddis01]

I think you'll find many (underground) mines moving towards DPFs to try and reduce underground emissions.

[ivorya]

Originally Posted by naddis01

I think you'll find many (underground) mines moving towards DPFs to try and reduce underground emissions.

Yes they are. Also they are required to have independent air monitoring done for the safety of their workers. From what i've been told, if any machinery- utes included, fails the air quality specs, it's taken offline straightaway until it has been fixed to meet specs.

I think the information provided to the journo was for above ground.

[mcflux]

I’m not exactly sure what happens with the dpf systems themselves in he new crop of vehicles, but exhausts are definitely modified for vehicles in open-cut (coal) mines.

* diesel only - no spark ignition (ie no petrol/gas vehicles)
* muffler moved away from under the body, typically to in front of the radiator, and/or additional shielding fitted

This has been the case for decades, from a fire safety perspective.

[Sprintey]

You know, all these costs and woes has got me thinking. The old Ford 4.0 SOHC intech six was just about perfect - lots of torque low down (like a diesel), simple, cheap to fix, reliable, good longevity, and could run on whatever poor quality petrol was served. Those old Ford Oz engineers knew what's good!