Details firm on Ford’s Ranger PHEV

[whynot]

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17 Sep 2024
By MATT BROGAN

FORD revealed further specifications and technical details for the Ranger plug-in hybrid (PHEV) during the model’s public debut at the IAA Transport Show in Hannover, Germany overnight.

The electrified Ford Ranger combines a 2.3-litre turbocharged four-cylinder petrol engine with a 75kW electric motor and 11.8kWh (net) battery providing up to 45km of all-electric driving range plus up to 6.9kW of vehicle-to-load capacity for powering tools, appliances and camping equipment.

It is due in Aussie showrooms in early 2025 – and just months behind the BYD Shark plug-in hybrid ute and potentially around the same time as GWM’s just-confirmed Cannon Alpha PHEV.

Ford's claimed electric-only driving range for the Ranger PHEV is less than half that of the Chinese BYD and GWM offerings, which sacrifice payload for battery capacity.

Braked towing capacity remains unaltered from the rest of the Ranger line-up at 3500kg.

The Ranger sends drive from the petrol engine, electric motor or a combination of both through an advanced four-wheel drive system via Ford’s proven 10-speed automatic transmission.

A two-speed transfer case and a rear differential lock are provided for tough going, and the model offers familiar driver assistance modes from diesel variants. ...

“It can tackle tough terrain, tow a trailer with ease, be driven in town as an EV or, thanks to Pro Power Onboard be used as a mobile power plant when you’re off the grid.”

Rest of the article is here ...

https://www.goauto.com.au/future-mod...ev/2024-09-17/

[kypez]

11.X kWh battery will probably get you about 30-40 kms in that size vehicle. Just wish they released a Lightning version already.

[Franco Cozzo]

Looking forward to this thing, 2.3 Ecoboost + electric motor + vehicle to load out in the field,

Be handy to run power tools and things

[naddis01]

What sort of price premium are we forecasting?

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by naddis01

What sort of price premium are we forecasting?

I reckon povvo spec model will be base price + $20K for the hybrid,

The kind of thing which could get this over the line even with premium pricing is companies with ISO14001 obligations now having to address their impact on 'climate change'.

I'm keen on fuel efficiency figures in tow tests and general driving.

[whynot]

Originally Posted by kypez

11.X kWh battery will probably get you about 30-40 kms in that size vehicle. Just wish they released a Lightning version already.

Yeah, I think that is a realistic estimate for range in typical city commute. If one can recharge at work, it makes an attractive fuelling proposition. (It is amazing the number of utes that sit in city office car parks during the day.)

I would love to see the PHEV do a tow test through a hilly area, just to see how the ecoboost and battery split the workload.

I also wish Ford would release an Everest PHEV. It would be an awesome camping vehicle.

Depending on the number of PHEV sold, it might take pressure off the demand for the V6. In turn, free up the supply chain somewhat. (But that might just be wishful thinking ...)

[kypez]

Originally Posted by whynot

Yeah, I think that is a realistic estimate for range in typical city commute. If one can recharge at work, it makes an attractive fuelling proposition. (It is amazing the number of utes that sit in city office car parks during the day.)



I would love to see the PHEV do a tow test through a hilly area, just to see how the ecoboost and battery split the workload.



I also wish Ford would release an Everest PHEV. It would be an awesome camping vehicle.



Depending on the number of PHEV sold, it might take pressure off the demand for the V6. In turn, free up the supply chain somewhat. (But that might just be wishful thinking ...)

True, that would cool to see an Everest version.

Be interesting if the system can supply energy to the batteries so it can work as a series hybrid under load. Would hurt economy but the extra torque of the electric motor would be worth it when towing.

That said, it would be interesting to see how anaemic the car feels being driven in EV only mode.

[whynot]

So, some more pluses and minuses ...

Fully imported from South Africa, so subject to additional import tariff.

(If I understand this correctly), it also qualifies for FBT rebate as a PHEV.

Some nice cutaways of how the EV component fits in. Interesting in how the battery pack is so far back. I wonder how much that detracts from yaw stability on the limit?

https://youtu.be/kgL_fiH3nEA?si=ZDZaQGgnDiqQTW4G

[naddis01]

Looks like they've had to raise the floor in the tub to fit the battery underneath it and now there is a little step in the floor.

[simon varley]

regardless of the battery, the 2.3 ecoboost is an awesome piece of kit. This is the powerpack the Yanks get, and the Amarok gets, that everyone is complaining we don't get here in our Ranger. Treat it as a petrol car, with the battery as a bonus and you won't be disappointed.

(subject to price....)

[kypez]

Originally Posted by simon varley

regardless of the battery, the 2.3 ecoboost is an awesome piece of kit. This is the powerpack the Yanks get, and the Amarok gets, that everyone is complaining we don't get here in our Ranger. Treat it as a petrol car, with the battery as a bonus and you won't be disappointed.

(subject to price....)

Hopefully they don't detune it given the hybrid application.

[Crazy Dazz]

Up to 6.9kw output. So it could run welders, compressors, and/or some heavy duty power tools.
As well as keep all your cordless charged.

If Ford market this correctly, and at the right price, it could really carve out a big niche on construction sites and amongst contractors.

If only there was a diesel version, it would be popular on the mines too.

[simon varley]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

If only there was a diesel version

[whynot]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

If only there was a diesel version

My understanding is that a diesel PHEV doesn't have the same fuel savings benefits as a petrol PHEV. Quite a few of the diesel's advantages (low end torque, longevity, lower fuel consumption) are negated by its weight and lower duty cycle in PHEV applications.

Hard to say exactly which direction PHEV will go, but a gas or hydrogen fuel cell is one possibility.

[Big_Daz]

Interesting.. If they do the same to everest (assume they would) then I would upgrage from our Diesel Platinum to a PHEV one when the time comes.

As for pricing, I know its not the same, but the 7 seat SUV's that have gone down this track.. Sorento PHEV is about $12k dearer, Outlander is similar. Ranger will have (I think) a bigger battery than those, you would have to think $15-20k.

Do we think its a mistake not doing an XL/XLS with PHEV option for the fleet/Govco market??

[simon varley]

the main reason for developing a PHEV Ranger, is to enable sales in Europe ongoing. We are a little side bonus. Since Everest doesn't sell in Europe, and AFAIK there are no plans to do so, I doubt there is any real driver to develop a PHEV Everest.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by simon varley

the main reason for developing a PHEV Ranger, is to enable sales in Europe ongoing. We are a little side bonus. Since Everest doesn't sell in Europe, and AFAIK there are no plans to do so, I doubt there is any real driver to develop a PHEV Everest.

You should be VERY careful about info like this.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by simon varley

the main reason for developing a PHEV Ranger, is to enable sales in Europe ongoing. We are a little side bonus. Since Everest doesn't sell in Europe, and AFAIK there are no plans to do so, I doubt there is any real driver to develop a PHEV Everest.

Given our numbers are small in the global scheme, what other markets does the Raptor sell in and what numbers?

[simon varley]

Originally Posted by Fordman1

You should be VERY careful about info like this.

previously, I would have been, but I left the company 18 months ago, so not so much any more

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by simon varley

previously, I would have been, but I left the company 18 months ago, so not so much any more

They still know who you are (your username if your “name”) be careful.

Just saying.

[Aussie Falcon]

Local development of the model has been happening at the Australian New Model Program Facility (NMP) formerly Plant 2 at Ford Australia’s Campbellfield, Melbourne manufacturing site.



This week marks a historic milestone for the NMP as its 1000th prototype, a Ranger PHEV, rolled off the line.

More here: https://goauto.com.au/future-models/...-16/94813.html

[Crazy Dazz]

Originally Posted by Simon Barley

the main reason for developing a PHEV Ranger, is to enable sales in Europe ongoing. We are a little side bonus. Since Everest doesn't sell in Europe, and AFAIK there are no plans to do so, I doubt there is any real driver to develop a PHEV Everest.

Practically the only car Ford sells here is the Ranger/Everest. Coincidentally the only people Ford employs here work on the Ranger/Everest.

Given the belief that electric cars are the only future available, further development is inevitable. PHEVs will help bridge the gap, when the nonces achieve their dreams of eliminating diesels, and nobody can afford to run a petrol-only truck.

Only real question is at what point they will abandon PHEVs too, and switch completely to Coal power.

[PooDog]

Originally Posted by Big_Daz

Interesting.. If they do the same to everest (assume they would) then I would upgrage from our Diesel Platinum to a PHEV one when the time comes.

As for pricing, I know its not the same, but the 7 seat SUV's that have gone down this track.. Sorento PHEV is about $12k dearer, Outlander is similar. Ranger will have (I think) a bigger battery than those, you would have to think $15-20k.


Do we think its a mistake not doing an XL/XLS with PHEV option for the fleet/Govco market??

How can the Rangers 11.8kw battery be bigger than the Sorrento at 13.8kw and the Outlander at 20kw ?

[Big_Daz]

Originally Posted by PooDog

How can the Rangers 11.8kw battery be bigger than the Sorrento at 13.8kw and the Outlander at 20kw ?

I'll be honest, I assumed the Ranger's would be bigger due to size of the vehicle.. I didnt actually know the facts. Knowing what I know now I can only assume the jump to PHEV would be similar.

[jpd80]

Looks like the Brits are getting PHEV Ranger in XLT, Wildtrak and something called StormTrak
If SouthAfrica is already set up for these models, only area equipment changes required for AUS/NZ
then perhaps we get a good picture of what Ford is planning. Hopefully, the PHEV is close to 3.0 diesel price.
^^^^^That would make sense for UK/European markets where legislation is really tough on diesels.

https://www.ford.co.uk/vans-and-pickups/ranger-phev

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by simon varley

the main reason for developing a PHEV Ranger, is to enable sales in Europe ongoing. We are a little side bonus. Since Everest doesn't sell in Europe, and AFAIK there are no plans to do so, I doubt there is any real driver to develop a PHEV Everest.

Let’s just talk about what’s in the public domain.
We know that South Africa builds a 2.3 EB version of Everest for the Middle East,
the versions are XLS, XLT and Limited. So there’s an opportunity for some sales spread
through the range but I really wonder how deep sales would be for a 2.3 EB, I have no idea…..

https://www.me.ford.com/en/are/suvs/...ompare-models/

[FPV8U]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Let’s just talk about what’s in the public domain.
We know that South Africa builds a 2.3 EB version of Everest for the Middle East,
the versions are XLS, XLT and Limited. So there’s an opportunity for some sales spread
through the range but I really wonder how deep sales would be for a 2.3 EB, I have no idea…..

https://www.me.ford.com/en/are/suvs/...ompare-models/

It’s a shame there’s no 2.7 or 3L Ecoboost Everest, While I understand Ford not wanting to go to the effort of Raptor variant, I don’t particularly want another diesel as our next family car and a Everest Sport with an engine that more aligns to the name would be nice.

I’d test the 2.3 if available but on face value seems a little small.

Ideally I’d prefer something more like the Explorer ST but they seem disinterested in bringing that to Australia.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by FPV8U

It’s a shame there’s no 2.7 or 3L Ecoboost Everest, While I understand Ford not wanting to go to the effort of Raptor variant, I don’t particularly want another diesel as our next family car and a Everest Sport with an engine that more aligns to the name would be nice.

I’d test the 2.3 if available but on face value seems a little small.

Ideally I’d prefer something more like the Explorer ST but they seem disinterested in bringing that to Australia.

Considering the wheel arch issue with Everest, a Raptor Everest may never have been a thing
but perhaps the power train was considered for a high series variant, would be interesting to
know just how far engineering advanced….but yeah, probably a nice pipe dream.

seriously, when it comes to an imported RHD converted Explorer, Ford could probably more easily
Justify the Expedition since a lot of the RHD bits are a share with F150, it would make more sense, yes?

[FPV8U]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Considering the wheel arch issue with Everest, a Raptor Everest may never have been a thing
but perhaps the power train was considered for a high series variant, would be interesting to
know just how far engineering advanced….but yeah, probably a nice pipe dream.

seriously, when it comes to an imported RHD converted Explorer, Ford could probably more easily
Justify the Expedition since a lot of the RHD bits are a share with F150, it would make more sense, yes?

The Explorer would have no business case as a conversion, would price it way out of being competitive.

The Expedition would have a limited market with its size but much like the F150 would have its place with those that need its capabilities.

[vbomber]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Looks like the Brits are getting PHEV Ranger in XLT, Wildtrak and something called StormTrak
If SouthAfrica is already set up for these models, only area equipment changes required for AUS/NZ
then perhaps we get a good picture of what Ford is planning. Hopefully, the PHEV is close to 3.0 diesel price.
^^^^^That would make sense for UK/European markets where legislation is really tough on diesels.

https://www.ford.co.uk/vans-and-pickups/ranger-phev

StormTrak coming here as well https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-new...stralian-range