The Thailand Special Thread - New Developments/News

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by smoo

Apart from a cheaper sticker price, the Triton offered nothing else that make it a compelling buy against the alternatives.
What decent advancement has the segment seen in 20 years. A few V6 diesels. Navara with coil springs. A couple of models that offer rear discs. Maybe rear diff lock and 4 wheel traction control.

This thing has taken the next step of introducing new tech to a segment that has stagnated for the last ten years (except eye watering RRP).

Time well tell if it’s a sales success. I can’t see why it won’t be, juding by the amount of cheap Chinese shit already on the road. I can see people overlooking the made in China stigma if it’s as well appointed as Wildtrack/Raptor and goes harder than them.
Save $30k on a Ranger, use the rest to go to Bali and finish off the full sleeve tatts.

The segment has stagnated like the small hatch segment (before everyone killed their offerings), things like the Mazda 2 have made no technological changes for the past ~15 years, same power and torque figures they've just gotten heavier.

[kevino]

Originally Posted by PooDog

One thing I learnt when researching the Outlander is they don't achieve anywhere near the economy they advertise, if that helps

I had one as a rental a month ago metro use for a week 10/11 litres per 100 km
Seemed pretty gutless too

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by PooDog

One thing I learnt when researching the Outlander is they don't achieve anywhere near the economy they advertise, if that helps

We drove an Outlander Exceed Tourer before buying a Tucson.
Loved every aspect of the Mitsu.
But it was gutless, we may have purchased one if turbo petrol or turbo diesel and no CVT. (hybrid wasnt around then, and we'll just change to a Hybrid Tucson when the time comes anyway)
Id say that may be why the econ is rubbish.

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by smoo

Apart from a cheaper sticker price, the Triton offered nothing else that make it a compelling buy against the alternatives.
What decent advancement has the segment seen in 20 years. A few V6 diesels. Navara with coil springs. A couple of models that offer rear discs. Maybe rear diff lock and 4 wheel traction control.

This thing has taken the next step of introducing new tech to a segment that has stagnated for the last ten years (except eye watering RRP).

Time well tell if it’s a sales success. I can’t see why it won’t be, juding by the amount of cheap Chinese shit already on the road. I can see people overlooking the made in China stigma if it’s as well appointed as Wildtrack/Raptor and goes harder than them.
Save $30k on a Ranger, use the rest to go to Bali and finish off the full sleeve tatts.

smoo, you may well could be right moving ahead, I don't know I'm just commenting from observations and interest.
Don't think I'll ever need to buy a dual cab again - triton never needed to be anything more in the past - sticker price and wty, hardy a top seller same applied to novara.
Going onto the shark re later tech and better interior ? the latest GWM top of the line dual cab my nephew got is just as you described the shark compared to Lux/ranger etc, don't think I saw it really dent the top seller sales.
Lets see what this does over the next year/2.
Will be interesting viewing seeing the vfacts.
Mind you I have no axe to grind or bone to pick or just banter like Franco about dual cabs, abn's, engines/suspensions/tech yaddayadda, it is what it is you play where it suits your need and budgets.
The industry is changing, gov's keep changing, policies, FTA's, china could flip its butt next week, Kamala or Trumpy, who has a coin flip it haha

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Curious about the 1.9L vs 3L (4JJ3)

The latter has had significant modifications to improve NVH,



https://www.isuzuute.com.au/discover...smooth-torquer



How's these figures compare with 2.0 Biturbo job in the Ranger?

I didnt drive the 3.0l but when he started the two back to back the 1.9 was considerably quieter.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

I didnt drive the 3.0l but when he started the two back to back the 1.9 was considerably quieter.

The 4JJ1 variant is rough as guts from an NVH perspective, the 4JJ3 they've made a decent chunk of improvements, if you can tell the difference with them both idling near each other you can imagine how bad the previous 4JJ1 is then in the previous models.

I did about 600km in one of the 4JJ1 variations on the highway, dual cab variety with a canopy on the back, at highway speeds, hearing that bucket of bolts rattling away gets old after a bit, and they're not exactly comfortable, have to shift around on the seat after a bit or you start getting a sore posterior, feel like I need a nurse to come flip me over so I didn't get bed sores

Its not like it was unloaded either, canopy on the back + tools + two people + long range fuel tank (150L).

We were doing around 14L/100km sitting on 110-120.

Add in that rough as guts engine plus chunky AT tyres, people think small cars were bad with road noise they've obviously advanced in age and become deaf because these things are worse than my Fiesta ST

Ranger is significantly better from an NVH perspective, have one at work but its still not great, ours is either on or over GVM and it handles like a dog.

[PooDog]

Originally Posted by DJM83

We drove an Outlander Exceed Tourer before buying a Tucson.
Loved every aspect of the Mitsu.
But it was gutless, we may have purchased one if turbo petrol or turbo diesel and no CVT. (hybrid wasnt around then, and we'll just change to a Hybrid Tucson when the time comes anyway)
Id say that may be why the econ is rubbish.

Yep EV fixes the lack of power twin motor they go really well, the extra weight of the battery down low makes them ride and handle well too.....but then you have the price tag which is over the top

[DFB FGXR6]

1.9 DMAX review and acceleration -

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

1.9 DMAX review and acceleration -

'If you're not doing any heavy towing, or carrying heavy loads in the back'

1400kg payload

That guys voice and how he talks does my head in, he holds onto the last few letters of words when he ends sentences, but he does alright content.

Good to see a manual box too,

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

'If you're not doing any heavy towing, or carrying heavy loads in the back'

1400kg payload

That guys voice and how he talks does my head in, he holds onto the last few letters of words when he ends sentences, but he does alright content.

I knew you were going to say that!

But seriously, that thing is far too slow for a modern vehicle, let alone a tradie ute. Even my pov-pack 2.2 Ranger would smoke that thing. Why would anyone actually choose the 1.9 over the 3.0?

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

I knew you were going to say that!

But seriously, that thing is far too slow for a modern vehicle, let alone a tradie ute. Even my pov-pack 2.2 Ranger would smoke that thing. Why would anyone actually choose the 1.9 over the 3.0?

Oh my lord, our work one does my head in with how mong that thing is to drive, and this thing is even slower

I like plastic interior, vinyl floor and steel wheels - peak work vehicle.

Its not a good test with no load in the back, he should have somewhere he can rock up and pick up a 1000kg concrete block or something he can fork into the back for these tests, gives a good test at payload or close to (driver + tray weight).

This thing in auto would probably be good for auto parts delivery joints, they just carry boxes of parts around and the occasional tools, most of the time my local one uses hatches.