EL vs EBII

EBFalcs · 16-07-2006, 10:09 PM

i'm looking at getting an EL futura, and i currently have an EB Gli wagon, with 2.5 inch redback exhaust, otherwise it is stock. now specs for these cars say that the EB is quicker in 0-100 and 1/4 mile, so could someone tell me if this is right. i know the EL is better in every other way with ABS comfort and other luxuries, but if i'm gonna upgrade i want more power as well.

gthofan · 16-07-2006, 10:18 PM

series 2 eb
4.0L 6 cyl (Series II)
Bore and stroke: 92 x 99 mm
Power: 148kW at 4500rpm
Torque: 348Nm at 3750rpm
Overhead camshaft, 2 valves per cylinder
Fuel system: EEC IV fuel injection
Compression ratio: 8.8:1

el engines
4.0L 6 cyl
Bore and stroke: 92 x 99 mm
Power: 157kW at 4900rpm
Torque: 357Nm at 3000rpm
Overhead camshaft, 2 valves per cylinder
Fuel system: EEC V fuel injection
Compression ratio: 9.3:1

4.0L 6 cyl (Fairmont Ghia)
Bore and stroke: 93 x 99 mm
Power: 162kW at 4900rpm
Torque: 361Nm at 3000rpm
Overhead camshaft, 2 valves per cylinder
Fuel system: EEC V fuel injection
Compression ratio: 9.3:1

gthofan · 16-07-2006, 10:20 PM

PERFORMANCE-
EL Performance:
(Falcon Futura 4L sedan, 4 speed auto)
Top speeds in gears
1st: 81km/h
2nd: 133km/h
3rd: 180km/h (speed limited)
4th: 180km/h (speed limited)
0-100km/h: 9.4 seconds
Standing 400m: 17.0 seconds

eb series 2
Falcon GLi 4.0, 4 speed auto):
Top speeds in gears
1st: 75km/h
2nd: 125km/h
3rd: 181km/h
4th: 215km/h
0-100km/h: 9 seconds
Standing 400m: 16.6 seconds

(stats and info curtesy of falcon facts)

gthofan · 16-07-2006, 10:23 PM

and heres the stats for the ea-- this is interesting
Performance:
(Falcon S 3.9L multi-point sedan, 5 speed manual):
Top speeds in gears
1st: 57km/h
2nd: 93km/h
3rd: 144km/h
4th: 200km/h
5th: 210km/h
0-100km/h: 8.5 seconds
Standing 400m: 15.8 seconds

kills the el and eb on the quarter mile

EBFalcs · 16-07-2006, 10:23 PM

falcon facts is where i got them from but i have a mate with a 5 speed EB with exhaust, goes pretty hard and his brother has a stock EL and he drove it and said it would kill his EB

alesia · 16-07-2006, 10:36 PM

el's are heavier then the ebs to i beleive

SupahStah · 16-07-2006, 10:36 PM

I beleive when you go 2nd hand - it all comes down to the indevidual cars... One stock EL could do 1/4 mile in 17 secs, another stock EL can do it is 15.42 (Just ask Heljas -Jason)... EL would prolly have more potential and room for improvement if you where looking at spending some pennies on it

EBFalcs · 16-07-2006, 10:39 PM

well if i do get the car i want to keep it looking and sounding stock as a rock, but when given the boot i want it to kill 5L commos

Jason[98.EL] · 16-07-2006, 10:40 PM

so where does that put my el ive only got the exhaust done and a 15.46 q with an auto

jason

Jason[98.EL] · 16-07-2006, 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SupahStah

I beleive when you go 2nd hand - it all comes down to the indevidual cars... One stock EL could do 1/4 mile in 17 secs, another stock EL can do it is 15.42 (Just ask Heljas -Jason)... EL would prolly have more potential and room for improvement if you where looking at spending some pennies on it

its a 15.46 sorry to burst ya bubble

jason

BPXR6T · 16-07-2006, 10:52 PM

From what I've read the early EF head is the best of all the e series closely followed by the EL. Note above 1/4 mile times are probably so different due to auto vs manual. Damn good reason to get a five speed me thinks.

Jason[98.EL] · 16-07-2006, 10:59 PM

mine was done with a stock eng no work done exhaust extractors and 2 1/2" syst high flow cat

so where does a 5 spd come in to it

jason

BPXR6T · 16-07-2006, 11:09 PM

was referring to the stats from gthofan...

335JET · 17-07-2006, 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by heljas

mine was done with a stock eng no work done exhaust extractors and 2 1/2" syst high flow cat

so where does a 5 spd come in to it

jason

im interested to as how a stock 5 speed EL would go.
will have to take mine to the drags some time

finnyman · 17-07-2006, 08:33 PM

i think i could run u boss4ltr lol, ur thing seemd to go alright at the cruise but no chance agaisnt my fairmont :>

FPVWEPN · 18-07-2006, 02:08 AM

ummm a 5-speed is the way to go
heljas based on ur setup a 15.4 is about as good as it gets before other mods ur mph shows this

EBFalcs · 19-07-2006, 08:52 PM

i test drove a 1998 EL futura sedan auto the other day it had 112,000 on the clock, i gave it a boot and was very dissapointed, my 1993 EBII wagon auto would kill it,

335JET · 19-07-2006, 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnyman

i think i could run u boss4ltr lol, ur thing seemd to go alright at the cruise but no chance agaisnt my fairmont :>

do not underestermate the power of a futura

bArNsY · 19-07-2006, 10:10 PM

I saw Jason's car the other night, looks really tidy.....a wolf in sheeps clothing!:thebirds:

Does anyone have the data on a EB series 2/ED specs for a 5 speed manual?

gthofan · 19-07-2006, 11:01 PM

sorry i could only find manual speeds for the v8 not 6 cyl

here are the specs for the ed sprint
(Falcon XR8 Sprint, 5.0L V8, 5 sp manual):
Top speeds in gears
1st: 58km/h
2nd: 97km/h
3rd: 146km/h
4th: 194km/h
5th: 228km/h
0-100km/h: 7.3 seconds
Standing 400m: 15.1 seconds

here is the eb xr8
Performance:
(Falcon S XR8, 5.0L V8, 5 sp manual):
Top speeds in gears
1st: 52km/h
2nd: 85km/h
3rd: 130km/h
4th: 181km/h
5th: 221km/h
0-100km/h: 7.7 seconds
Standing 400m: 15.7 seconds

gthofan · 19-07-2006, 11:04 PM

heres the eb specs- all engines

3.9L 6 cyl
Bore and stroke: 92 x 99 mm
Power: 120kW at 4250rpm
Torque: 311Nm at 3250rpm
Overhead camshaft, 2 valves per cylinder
Fuel system: EEC IV fuel injection
Compression ratio: 8.8:1

3.9L multi-point 6 cyl
Bore and stroke: 93 x 99 mm
Power: 139kW at 4250rpm
Torque: 338Nm at 3500rpm
Overhead camshaft, 2 valves per cylinder
Fuel system: EEC IV fuel injection
Compression ratio: 8.8:1

5.0L V8
Bore and stroke: 102 x 76 mm
Power: 165kW at 4500rpm
Torque: 388Nm at 3000rpm
Pushrod overhead valve, 2 valves per cylinder
Fuel system: EEC IV fuel injection
Compression ratio: 9.0:1

4.0L 6 cyl (Series II)
Bore and stroke: 92 x 99 mm
Power: 148kW at 4500rpm
Torque: 348Nm at 3750rpm
Overhead camshaft, 2 valves per cylinder
Fuel system: EEC IV fuel injection
Compression ratio: 8.8:1

4.0L 6 cyl (Series II S XR6)
Bore and stroke: 93 x 99 mm
Power: 161kW at 4600rpm
Torque: 365Nm at 3650rpm
Overhead camshaft, 2 valves per cylinder
Fuel system: EEC IV fuel injection
Compression ratio: 9.0:1

heres the ed engine specs
4.0L 6 cyl
Bore and stroke: 92 x 99 mm
Power: 148kW at 4500rpm
Torque: 348Nm at 3750rpm
Overhead camshaft, 2 valves per cylinder
Fuel system: EEC IV fuel injection
Compression ratio: 8.8:1

4.0L 6 cyl (S XR6)
Bore and stroke: 93 x 99 mm
Power: 161kW at 4600rpm
Torque: 365Nm at 3650rpm
Overhead camshaft, 2 valves per cylinder
Fuel system: EEC IV fuel injection
Compression ratio: 9.0:1

5.0L V8
Bore and stroke: 102 x 76 mm
Power: 165kW at 4500rpm
Torque: 388Nm at 3000rpm
Pushrod overhead valve, 2 valves per cylinder
Fuel system: EEC IV fuel injection
Compression ratio: 9.0:1

5.0L windsor V8 (XR8 Sprint)
Bore and stroke: 102 x 76 mm
Power: 192kW at 5000rpm
Torque: 405Nm at 4000rpm
Pushrod overhead valve, 2 valves per cylinder
Fuel system: EEC IV fuel injection
Compression ratio: 9.0:1

all info supplies by (falcon facts)

bArNsY · 19-07-2006, 11:24 PM

sorry to be a pain, but how much quicker would a stock ED manual have over a auto?

gthofan · 19-07-2006, 11:30 PM

just check this site out http://www.geocities.com/falconfacts.../edfalcon.html
and just cycle through the models

EFFalcon · 19-07-2006, 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bArNsY

sorry to be a pain, but how much quicker would a stock ED manual have over a auto?

about 1/2 a second.