USA 2020 Election

[anto]

what immunity... for what ? stop making stuff up. Holy crap the amount of BS floating around the interwebs is mind blowing..

fact - the election hasnt been decided yet.
fact - it will go to the courts becasue of alleged election inteference where he maya or may not turn it around...unlikely as it seems.

as has been mentioned the 2000 bush/gore election wasnt decided for 36 days after election day so all the hyperbole is premature.

the media is sickening in the way it is reporting all of this. Facts are facts, they should be reporting not cheerleading.

[PhilT2]

Aussie talent at it's best. Trump farewell song NSFW
https://crooksandliars.com/2020/11/b...ell-song-trump

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by anto

fact - the election hasnt been decided yet.
fact - it will go to the courts becasue of alleged election inteference where he maya or may not turn it around...unlikely as it seems.

How irresponsible for all these leaders of the "free world" to so quickly congratulate and legitimise Biden's "win". NWO.

Originally Posted by anto

what immunity... for what ? stop making stuff up. Holy crap the amount of BS floating around the interwebs is mind blowing..

Made up ey? That depends which allegations you are referring to. Agree there is a lot of fake stuff being flung around, but there are also a number of very real investigations and proceedings which were previously halted or "not followed up" due to "presidency protection". The fake stuff could just a decoy to delegitimise the real stuff? Information warfare 101.

[Syndrome]

In before the lock.

Those who claim the 2016 election was rigged now state there is NO way the 2020 election could have been rigged.

The drums of war are starting to beat over yonder. It won't end well.

[Trevor 57]

There was real concern last night about Trump's influence post January 2021, Bob Carr referenced Hitler's activity in the 1920's and likend it to Trump's recent behaviour. The division, the blaming of the media, and other notable events

Now, before you all get uppity, he said the 1920's, not the war period, so 10 - 20 years before the war

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by anto

what immunity... for what ? stop making stuff up. Holy crap the amount of BS floating around the interwebs is mind blowing..

fact - the election hasnt been decided yet.
fact - it will go to the courts becasue of alleged election inteference where he maya or may not turn it around...unlikely as it seems.

as has been mentioned the 2000 bush/gore election wasnt decided for 36 days after election day so all the hyperbole is premature.

the media is sickening in the way it is reporting all of this. Facts are facts, they should be reporting not cheerleading.

the 2000 election result was for one State, not 4 or 5 States like now and the difference was a handful of votes, not 4 million

It is Trump blowing off calling it fraud etc, just because he says it doesn't mean it is true

You need to get your facts correct

[Polyal]

Ahh the loyal Trumpster supporters are not happy and going down with the ship and still bleating his tune.

There is no need to lock the thread, just like your loyal leader, stick to the truth and there is nothing to worry about...is there? Unless its inconvenient truth, then thats just fake.

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

the 2000 election result was for one State, not 4 or 5 States like now and the difference was a handful of votes, not 4 million

It is Trump blowing off calling it fraud etc, just because he says it doesn't mean it is true

You need to get your facts correct

here is the statement from Carr

Former Labor foreign minister Bob Carr said he was “terrified for America” after four years under President Trump, and for what the future may hold.

“Trump is becoming something other – something more threatening than the authoritarian populist,” Mr Carr said on Q&A.

“He is sowing and has embarked on a campaign, that I think – I’m terrified for America – I think this campaign will run all the way to the 2024 presidential election, undermining faith in institutions that have been in place since the Constitution was approved in 1789.”

Mr Carr added: “The authoritarian populist is transmuting himself into something else, which is a proto-fascist.”

“A proto-fascist, and I choose that term carefully. People throw it around.”

Host Hamish Macdonald asked: “What is a ‘proto-fascist’?”

“He (Trump) is an incipient fascist,” Mr Carr replied.

“What he’s doing now is nothing less than what Hitler did in Germany in the 1920s, which is saying there is a conspiracy that’s robbed the people of their choice.

“It is all fraud, the election has been stolen from us. There is no evidence of this, not the remotest evidence.”

Protofascism is defined by Merriam-Webster as “a political movement or program tending toward or imitating fascism”.

Mr Carr‘s comments referenced Mr Trump’s repeated and unsubstantiated claims since losing the presidential election to Democrat Joe Biden that it was “stolen” from him, and further alleging “major” voter fraud

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-...3e3c029e3e69d0

[Trevor 57]

Here is what Turnbull said on QANDA last night as well:

Former Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull says Donald Trump’s “narcissistic self-interested agenda” has left cracks in the United States wider than ever and of interest to the country’s enemies.

“Trump has set out recklessly and irresponsibly to divide America and to exploit and exacerbate divisions that are existing,” Mr Turnbull said on Q&A on Monday night.

He said during his time as leader, from 2015 to 2018, he set out to unite Australians, reinforce multiculturalism and reject those who tried to peddle racism and division.

Mr Turnbull noted this is what most leaders of democracies try to do, but not Mr Trump.

“He set out to exacerbate those divisions and turn Americans against each other for his own political advantage,” he said.

“And while that may have helped him electorally, it has left America more divided, more fractured, and hence weaker than it has been in years past.”

Mr Turnbull then claimed Mr Trump wasn’t a conservative like many people would think.

“You’ve just got to bear this in mind – Trump is not a conservative. He is not a conservative. Conservatives defend institutions. They are in favour of incremental change. Trump is an authoritarian populist,” he said.

“It is all about him. It’s Trumpism, it’s him.

“He has put his own narcissistic self-interested agenda ahead of everything else. And the big loser has been the United States.

“And the only people that would genuinely get pleasure out of this are America’s enemies.”

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-...3e3c029e3e69d0

[Trevor 57]

mistake

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Fordman1

Venezuela 👍

Ironically what the US will become when the democrats put their socialist policies in place

[cs123]

Originally Posted by Syndrome

In before the lock.

Those who claim the 2016 election was rigged now state there is NO way the 2020 election could have been rigged.

The drums of war are starting to beat over yonder. It won't end well.

Let's get two different things and claim that they are the same.

In 2016 there was interference by the Russians on the US elections. It was investigated by the GOP lead senate committee who reported on it

WASHINGTON — A sprawling report released Tuesday by a Republican-controlled Senate panel that spent three years investigating Russia’s interference in the 2016 election laid out an extensive web of contacts between Trump campaign advisers and Kremlin officials and other Russians, including at least one intelligence officer and others tied to the country’s spy services.

That report can be found here.. or pick your own source for the full report.

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttoo...35164/full.pdf

So, it is well accepted in the USA, except for Trump, that the Russians were involved in trying to interfere in the elections. What is disputed is how successful they were.

This election has seen pretty outrageous claims made by team Trump of widespread voter fraud across multiple states by Democrats... without any evidence.

To a person who has a functioning brain, these claims can be seen as the work of someone who cannot accept defeat and would rather burn the house down. Those with a room temperature IQ are fully onboard the trump train and will back him to the hilt.

[Trevor 57]

as I stated previously, it is known that the USA ballot papers have a number of voting options on each individual sheet, one is for the Senate, one is for the President and there can be local police elections etc on the same ballot paper

How come the Trump'ians are calling foul on only the Presidential election, but not on the Senate, which the Republicans are leading - you don't have to be very smart to realise that:
* there was no fraud
* there was fraud and the Republicans are involved as well as the Republicans are leading the amount of seats in the Senate

You can't have it both ways

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by cs123

To a person who has a functioning brain, these claims can be seen as the work of someone who cannot accept defeat and would rather burn the house down. Those with a room temperature IQ are fully onboard the trump train and will back him to the hilt.

I think the summation by the panel on last nights Q&A summed Trump exceptionally well

[smoo]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

How irresponsible for all these leaders of the "free world" to so quickly congratulate and legitimise Biden's "win". NWO.



Made up ey? That depends which allegations you are referring to. Agree there is a lot of fake stuff being flung around, but there are also a number of very real investigations and proceedings which were previously halted or "not followed up" due to "presidency protection". The fake stuff could just a decoy to delegitimise the real stuff? Information warfare 101.

What are the allegations?
If true, are they any worse than Bush and Obama dropping bombs on innocent civilians across two handfuls of countries over their two terms?
Reported Obama dropped more bombs during 2016 than the US did in the whole of the Vietnam war.
Why haven’t these war criminals been hauled off to prison...

Trev - examples of trump causing division?
I can post up hundreds of examples of Democrats creating division, some in the past week - AOC calling for revenge against those in the GOP and their supporters.
Bernie Sanders publicly calling for the officers who shot Walter Wallace (the black man who is a woman basher and charged at them with a knife). Sanders the POS was calling for these cops to be locked up for murder for simply doing their job!!! Classic trial by media with omitted facts so they can pave their narrative to cause division. Even worse when a has been career politician held up as a messiah by the left goes public with statements like that. A statement that could indirectly incite violence against police.

Biden is calling for unity. He is probably genuine. Those hard left dems behind the scene are anything but, and will chew dementia joe out within 12 months.
Unity to a leftist is conform or else. Confirm to their way of thinking or bare the consequences.

Have pulled a few birds off tinder with a pic of my dog. Have since stepped it up a notch by having my GSD in a maga hat to weed out the libtards. Of course it doesn’t stop them matching me so they can give me an earful.
Because there’s nothing more I want than the predicable opinion of a vain, wealthy white liberal woman.

[Trevor 57]

and conformity to the Right or else!!!! says all the Trumpians

Trev - examples of trump causing division?

are you serious, are you genuinely serious? - The rants about fraud, tampering and anything else that comes out of his mouth in the last week. Back read a few of my posts

I can direct you to an American drag racing forum that has an un-modertated section where the Right rules, you don't dare say anything Left or Middle, you will get attacked, and I mean attacked, verbally, and if they find your address potentially personally as well

[Trevor 57]

Trump's legal has been to court 4 times since the election and all 4 cases have been thrown out - there is a message here

[smoo]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

and conformity to the Right or else!!!! says all the Trumpians

are you serious, are you genuinely serious? - The rants about fraud, tampering and anything else that comes out of his mouth in the last week. Back read a few of my posts

I can direct you to an American drag racing forum that has an un-modertated section where the Right rules, you don't dare say anything Left or Middle, you will get attacked, and I mean attacked, verbally, and if they find your address potentially personally as well

I was more meaning over the past four years. After all we are told he is the reason for this division.
I haven’t followed the going ons over the past week regarding this supposed voter fraud. Division driven by leftist identity politics was deeply rooted well before the election and the last week.
It is not confined to the US, or conservative governments. I can pull dozens of examples out of NZ by Jacinda followers and the media that are on her pay roll. Obviously on a milder scale than the states, but leftist intimidation and silencing tactics are still in play.

[Trevor 57]

Have a watch of this from 19:50 mins in particular Bob Carr at 29:00, it is all interesting, from Turnbull to Murdochs man (editor) in The Australian Paul Kelly

https://www.abc.net.au/qanda/2020-09-11/12840750

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by smoo

In all honesty I haven’t followed the going ons over the past week regarding this supposed voter fraud. Division driven by leftist identity politics was deeply rooted well before the election and the last week.
I was more meaning over the past four years. After all we are told he is the reason for this division.

well this thread is about the 2020 USA election

[smoo]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

well this thread is about the 2020 USA election

Which is directly related to the last four years.
And is constantly made reference to be the source of division.

[Bossxr8]

So many blind sheep that follow what the media tells them, without even looking into any of it.

The un-partiality of the msm in recent years is nothing short of a disgrace. Scary even. Communists would be proud.

Say what you want about Trump. He did himself no favours. But the way they have attacked him from day 1 because they hated him so much, and manipulated the narrative was a full on hack job. They hated him because he wasn't one of them, and wouldn't follow their narrative.

I really hope our political system and media don't start implementing the same tactics here.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by smoo

What are the allegations?
If true, are they any worse than Bush and Obama dropping bombs on innocent civilians across two handfuls of countries over their two terms?
Reported Obama dropped more bombs during 2016 than the US did in the whole of the Vietnam war.
Why haven’t these war criminals been hauled off to prison...

Ok, since several have asked.

https://theintercept.com/2020/10/18/...s-prosecution/

This is just one point of view. Note, I am not saying he is guilty to any of these, but there is a very high chance they will come after him. So immunity to prosecutions from past deeds is probably a good bargaining chip for an orderly handover. IMHO. At the end of the day, we won't know, its not like they will advertise it if a deal is done.

Have people forgotten the Mueller report? How many advisers are in the slammer?

Put it this way, people will believe what they expect, so you can show all the data/info you want but at the end of the day it will either be believed or dismissed.

Bush and Obama....nobody of significance in the US had an interest to go after them. Those actions had national support. And who in the world in going to hold the US accountable for the bombings? China? Russia? Europe? UN?

All IMHO.

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

They hated him because he wasn't one of them, and wouldn't follow their narrative.

This I agree, and good on the US people for voicing their protest to "the establishment" and using their votes. Unfortunately it didn't turn out so good due to the individual?

[Trevor 57]

If Trump is the best they had to offer then any wonder they are in a world of ****

Have any of you bothered to look at what most are saying about his personality and where it could potentially lead America in the future

A good leader brings all together for the betterment of the country, Trump did NOT do that, he alienated heaps, from muslims, to mexicans, to blacks, the promoted far right extremists views, he is a 'divider' not a 'bring them together' person

The whole team will always achieve more than a selection of the group

[cs123]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Ok, since several have asked.

https://theintercept.com/2020/10/18/...s-prosecution/

This is just one point of view. Note, I am not saying he is guilty to any of these, but there is a very high chance they will come after him. So immunity to prosecutions from past deeds is probably a good bargaining chip for an orderly handover. IMHO. At the end of the day, we won't know, its not like they will advertise it if a deal is done.

Have people forgotten the Mueller report? How many advisers are in the slammer?

Put it this way, people will believe what they expect, so you can show all the data/info you want but at the end of the day it will either be believed or dismissed.

Bush and Obama....nobody of significance in the US had an interest to go after them. Those actions had national support. And who in the world in going to hold the US accountable for the bombings? China? Russia? Europe? UN?

All IMHO.


This I agree, and good on the US people for voicing their protest to "the establishment" and using their votes. Unfortunately it didn't turn out so good due to the individual?

Pretty sure nothing will come of the federal and state cases.

If they went after him it would set a nasty precedence about political payback that neither side would want.

He might have a nasty IRS bill and perhaps settle some civil cases but I doubt anything else. Plus he will probably pardon himself and all his cronies from any future federal charges anyway. Which would only leave state charges facing his companies... and that will probably end with a fine at best

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

If Trump is the best they had to offer then any wonder they are in a world of ****

Have any of you bothered to look at what most are saying about his personality and where it could potentially lead America in the future

A good leader brings all together for the betterment of the country, Trump did NOT do that, he alienated heaps, from muslims, to mexicans, to blacks, the promoted far right extremists views, he is a 'divider' not a 'bring them together' person

The whole team will always achieve more than a selection of the group

See this is where people like you swallow the msm BS whole. He actually had increased votes from blacks and latinos. It was actually the white vote where he lost ground.

But yeah don't let facts get in the way of feels.

[cs123]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

See this is where people like you swallow the msm BS whole. He actually had increased votes from blacks and latinos. It was actually the white vote where he lost ground.

But yeah don't let facts get in the way of feels.

Where do you get that info?

[marty351]

This thread...

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

See this is where people like you swallow the msm BS whole. He actually had increased votes from blacks and latinos. It was actually the white vote where he lost ground.



But yeah don't let facts get in the way of feels.

Picking and choosing stats are fun. There was increased votes across the board due to record turn outs in voting.

Here are some other fun stats:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...president.html

Note the numbers get updated as more info is collected. So what you see today may not be exactly the same as the number you see tomorrow. But you get the trend.

[chevypower]

@Trevor 57, did you find the Democrats “uniting” when Hillary called Trump supporters “a basket of deplorables?” Or when Joe Biden said “if you don’t vote for me, you’re not Black?” Did you find the Democrats accepted defeat when they spent 4 years trying to delegitimize the 2016 election? It’s your right to like and hate whoever you want, but if you’re trying to sell a story, at least make it realistic enough to be convincing.