Even hotter Kia Stinger in the works

[Hawkeye84]

Originally Posted by 4vxc

You don't sell Kia's for a living do you?
I'm just amazed there are Kia fans

Not exactly.
Grew up loving and driving the blue oval, will always love it and always wanted to work for them. But live in Sydney

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye84

No reports - but inside knowledge (i dont think Police ever release these kind of reports). Amongst things that already been tested, tried and confirmed by Caradvice - it also laps 2 secs quicker round the police test track.

Yes, the Stinger isnt perfect i agree, im not saying it is.

1. I dont think the triptonic mode is that bad - yes i've driven one.
2. Doesn't sound as good as a V8 - The Bi-Modal exhaust being developed is
ok, but will never sound like a V8.
3. Yes it does have a sound generator, if you look at it in context of its
European competitors, BMW, Mecerdes and Audi who also have these. On
the plus side you can turn it down with custom settings - or im pretty sure
they come out with a tune which turns it completely off.
4. Steering wheel i feel needs to be chunkier - its way too thin
5. The steering being light off centre? To be honest - i couldn't tell. Perhaps
its subjective? I couldnt tell you. But its one report.

But these, to me a pretty minor things. Possibly things that people might not even experience unless they are on a track (triptonic mode being "disobedient" and the light off centre steering). If i had to nit pick and find fault - yeah it'll probably be it - but its a damn god car.

With regards to the Kia conspiracy theorist against Holden and drive? I guess not so much more than Ford vs Drive and Holden and comments made on this very forum. Can you blame Kia fans? Im guessing they are wanting what Ford fans wanted to. A fair unbiased comparo.

Sorry I missed this. But inside information from the Qld police force? I really don't want to be rude so I'll leave that one alone.

If we do want to talk real lap times by actual racing drivers, Motor Trend as we know are generally regarded as the best - and most consistent - out there. They test at a real race track with the same racing driver and a full suite of telemetry.

2017 Stinger lapped 28.9 seconds. Randy Pobst thinks there's another second in it, so perhaps a high 27.

2017 SS lapped 24.7 seconds. They're on different planets. SS also recorded a quicker quarter mile and 0-60mph, plus a quicker figure 8 with significantly higher lateral g. As I suggest, over time, more tests, we'll get a fuller picture.

[Hawkeye84]

Originally Posted by Adrenaline

Sorry I missed this. But inside information from the Qld police force? I really don't want to be rude so I'll leave that one alone.

If we do want to talk real lap times by actual racing drivers, Motor Trend as we know are generally regarded as the best - and most consistent - out there. They test at a real race track with the same racing driver and a full suite of telemetry.

2017 Stinger lapped 28.9 seconds. Randy Pobst thinks there's another second in it, so perhaps a high 27.

2017 SS lapped 24.7 seconds. They're on different planets. SS also recorded a quicker quarter mile and 0-60mph, plus a quicker figure 8 with significantly higher lateral g. As I suggest, over time, more tests, we'll get a fuller picture.

Inside information on Police Force inside information from Kia...dont particularly care, if you've got something to say, Im sure ill be able to respond without offending you either.

Yes, much more tests will need to be done with both cars at the same time.

Its pretty useless rambling numbers on tests done on different days/ different conditions - no matter how respected they are - its not a true indication of a comparison. If they were both done on the same day - then fair enough.

But from what ive seen so far on same day same condition comparisons. Stingers been the better car.

[jpblue1000]

What an xr8/6 and ss whatever can do is now irrelevant. Not being made anymore. Meaning the whatever comes after is the best available in the current market.
The police etc will adapt. As mentioned radio waves are still quicker than anycar
JP

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by jpblue1000

What an xr8/6 and ss whatever can do is now irrelevant. Not being made anymore. Meaning the whatever comes after is the best available in the current market.
The police etc will adapt. As mentioned radio waves are still quicker than anycar
JP

Blasphemy !!!
We all know that everything ( including speed of radio waves ) is still being compared to the XY Phase III HO for benchmarking....
Stating that a KIA is better than a HO deserves public Flogging - in front of the now deserted Ford manufacturing Plant in Broady....

[383hq]

Agree that Motor Trend is the best apples to apples comparison we may get,
but comparing the 4cyl turbo to the SS - do they put pizza cutters on the 4cyl in the USA like they do here in Oz ?

Lets see what the GT does in a figure 8 with decent tyres before we judge.
I suspect it's going to be a good buy early.

Having said that I'll stick to my falcon for highway nanny state road rule duties. No point burning through $1K of GT spec tyres on substandard highway road boredom.

Originally Posted by Adrenaline

Sorry I missed this. But inside information from the Qld police force? I really don't want to be rude so I'll leave that one alone.

If we do want to talk real lap times by actual racing drivers, Motor Trend as we know are generally regarded as the best - and most consistent - out there. They test at a real race track with the same racing driver and a full suite of telemetry.

2017 Stinger lapped 28.9 seconds. Randy Pobst thinks there's another second in it, so perhaps a high 27.

2017 SS lapped 24.7 seconds. They're on different planets. SS also recorded a quicker quarter mile and 0-60mph, plus a quicker figure 8 with significantly higher lateral g. As I suggest, over time, more tests, we'll get a fuller picture.

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by 383hq

Agree that Motor Trend is the best apples to apples comparison we may get,
but comparing the 4cyl turbo to the SS - do they put pizza cutters on the 4cyl in the USA like they do here in Oz ?

Lets see what the GT does in a figure 8 with decent tyres before we judge.
I suspect it's going to be a good buy early.

Having said that I'll stick to my falcon for highway nanny state road rule duties. No point burning through $1K of GT spec tyres on substandard highway road boredom.

The car tested was the twin turbo V6 GT. I think they mentioned Kia were still tweaking the suspension for the US models, thus their suggestion that there might be another second in it.

Lap times aside, I think about as many people will track their Stingers as Commodore drivers track their Redlines- not many. So besides measuring outright ability, not a whole lot of relevance in the real world. Great for debating on forums though. I really want to get behind the wheel of one of these things, although probably not worth trying until there's some decent stock in the country.

[383hq]

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/kia/s...t-test-review/

28 secs is not a lap per say, it is a figure 8 course good for lateral adhesion comparison not so much "lap times"

If it drives well, with 7 year warranty and limited /no forthcoming competition beyond the Hyundai sister car, prices may only increase in the future

[Dave R]

You're reading the wrong review. Their GT review is in the link below, not the one you posted.

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/kia/s...t-test-review/

"As a result, Randy posted a lap time—1:28.90—that he felt wasn’t representative of what the car could do. With a properly equipped car, Randy believes he could subtract a full second."

[Hawkeye84]

Originally Posted by Adrenaline

You're reading the wrong review. Their GT review is in the link below, not the one you posted.

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/kia/s...t-test-review/

"As a result, Randy posted a lap time—1:28.90—that he felt wasn’t representative of what the car could do. With a properly equipped car, Randy believes he could subtract a full second."

You have to remember - Australian suspension set up is totally different to the US market, who is different to the Korean domestic market, who is different to the European market etc.

ECU and drive modes are also adjusted market to market too!

Bigger, thicker sway bars, stiffer dampers, etc etc make them perform very differently market to market, so its hard to make direct comparison.

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye84

You have to remember - Australian suspension set up is totally different to the US market, who is different to the Korean domestic market, who is different to the European market etc.

ECU and drive modes are also adjusted market to market too!

Bigger, thicker sway bars, stiffer dampers, etc etc make them perform very differently market to market, so its hard to make direct comparison.

So too is the US spec of the SS, it's a much softer setup compared to what we get here. In fact the fastest SSs were the earliest ones; GM heavily softened subsequent model years. Turns out the US has even crappier roads in some states than we do. That being said, regional nuances likely aren't going to make up anywhere near 4 seconds a lap. Softening the SS only made a second or so difference in its lap time.

[Hawkeye84]

Originally Posted by Adrenaline

That being said, regional nuances likely aren't going to make up anywhere near 4 seconds a lap. Softening the SS only made a second or so difference in its lap time.

No, but track and weather conditions do. Were they tested at the same time?

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye84

No, but track and weather conditions do. Were they tested at the same time?

Hi Hawkeye,

Outside of wet conditions, I don't think we're going to find 4 seconds in the weather I'm afraid. As I understand it, Willow Springs is practically in the desert so I doubt they see a whole lot of variation to start with. That being said, MT do apply corrections to their core data based on weather, altitude, etc. Given Kia claims the car will ultimately be a little stiffer in final spec, don't be surprised if MT has another crack at it sooner than we expect.

[PepeLePew]

Kiiiiiaaaaaaaaaaaaa need to get that gearbox sorted (true manual mode and it's small quirks) if they want the sort of people interested in a real RWD car with grunt to hand over the folding. That and the rumours of a 'faster' version have killed at least my brothers enthusiasm which previously was boiling over. Helluva nice car, but right now at 65K driveaway well.............not quite the bargain. When it settles, (how quickly will it given supply?) it may well be the mid-mid/high 50's driveaway bargain.

[Hawkeye84]

Car and Driver managed a 4.6sec 0-60mph (in the AWD version)
1/4 mile in 13.2 secs

https://www.caranddriver.com/kia/stinger

[Hawkeye84]

Originally Posted by PepeLePew

Kiiiiiaaaaaaaaaaaaa need to get that gearbox sorted (true manual mode and it's small quirks) if they want the sort of people interested in a real RWD car with grunt to hand over the folding. That and the rumours of a 'faster' version have killed at least my brothers enthusiasm which previously was boiling over. Helluva nice car, but right now at 65K driveaway well.............not quite the bargain. When it settles, (how quickly will it given supply?) it may well be the mid-mid/high 50's driveaway bargain.

Supply may free up next year. But you got some dealers gouging at $71K drive away at the moment. Its ridiculous.

1/3 of Stinger buyers are existing Kia owners, 1/3 previously had luxury european cars and the last third are Commodore/Falcon owners - just for perspective.

No faster version coming - USA is thinking of a V8 version (same engine found in the Genesis) - but that engine isnt developed for RHD unfortunately. So we will never see it.

[Dave R]

I think they'd be smart to initially drip feed the market, keep them sought after and 'special', similar to what Ford did with the Mustang launch (whether or not that was intentional, who knows).

[Hawkeye84]

Mustang vs Stinger 1/4 Mile drag

Mustang: 13.32 secs
Stinger: 12.83 secs

https://www.motoring.com.au/ford-mus...arison-109840/

[solarite_guy]

What year are those cars?

[Wretched]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye84

Mustang vs Stinger 1/4 Mile drag

Mustang: 13.32 secs
Stinger: 12.83 secs

https://www.motoring.com.au/ford-mus...arison-109840/

i'll have one of each.

[Vesper Martini]

Awesome Cars, my kids always spot the Mustangs on the road, the Kia will stand out too!

[chrisandsharon]

We won’t see the AWD.

Very nice cars - beautiful to sit in too. I’ve got the FPV and drive a lot of Holden cars through Hertz and the cabin in the KIA is a much better place to be. As all new comers it will only get better.

[Mercury Bullet]

Originally Posted by solarite_guy

What year are those cars?

Lol they're getting this article in before 2018.

After that things will get embarrassing for the Kia.

The new stang is shaping up to be something else.
Current model is a great car but it's not fast.

[GT2]

Manual Mustang Vs Auto Kia.

[MITCHAY]

Well I guess that says the Stinger is a bit more serious than a lot of people thought. The important part is not what the Mustang did but a Kia did a high 12

[Wretched]

Originally Posted by Mercury Bullet

Lol they're getting this article in before 2018.

After that things will get embarrassing for the Kia.

The new stang is shaping up to be something else.
Current model is a great car but it's not fast.

I am not sure Kia would be embarrassed, doing a 12.xx time seems pretty decent for what is effectively their first performance sedan.

[Mercury Bullet]

Originally Posted by Wretched

I am not sure Kia would be embarrassed, doing a 12.xx time seems pretty decent for what is effectively their first performance sedan.

Because I said THE Kia. As in the car not the company.

And being beaten by up to a second will be embarrassing.
It's gonna be embarrassing for my car too but that's progress.

Kia themselves have nothing to be embarrassed about. A fine effort. But performance is moving fast atm, they will want to be on their toes and not rest on their laurels.

[Mercury Bullet]

What has impressed me is these new gearboxes. Take away that and the stinger should be performing like an xr6t. Its way beyond that.
And we are seeing what the 10 speed is doing for the mustang.

I'm the first to admit I was a sceptic of these big boxes.
If you come to dinner at my place tonight, I shall be dining on hat!

[ebv8]

last tuesday on my trip up to sydney i saw at least 5 car carriers full of stingers, to the un-car-educated people in the car with me they were all "wow what are those"
they do look good in the flesh

i'd still buy an SS commodore over one of these though, i would rather an XR8 but no chance buying one of those for a reasonable price these days

[adz137]

Figures from the latest Motor Magazine

SSV Redline (Auto)
0 to 100: 5.04 sec
Quartermile: 13.12

Kia Stinger
0 to 100: 4.92 sec
Quartermile: 13.06

In the end they gave the win to the Holden (4.5 stars) vs Kia’s (4 stars). Haven’t read the article yet but they were really happy with Kia’s first attempt at a fast car. The only complaint against the Kia were: steering needs work and doesn’t sound good.