2015 Ford Everest - Page 12

SumoDog68 · 21-03-2015, 10:11 AM

Everest needs to beat Jeep GC and not Prado for market lead in the segment.
GC has got a nice diesel , a v6 and SRT V8 ,looks good and great value . It shows if you do make it good buyers will buy it despite the past reputation .

**Polyal** · 21-03-2015, 10:21 AM

The Everest is a prado competitor not a GC even though they will be crossed shopped. I believe the edge or explorer would be a true GC competitor.

SumoDog68 · 21-03-2015, 10:45 AM

They are lumped together in the segment even though they are different in execution - some ute based and some unibody . Everest strictly speaking is MU-X , Colorado and upcoming to OZ 4runner competitor.

new2ford · 21-03-2015, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by SumoDog68

They are lumped together in the segment

It's very difficult dragging recognition and understanding of the crossover out of this swamp of a segment! The crossover is a high-entry car with no offroad pretensions (though some may have limited ability in that regard). Territory and many others in that segment are crossovers, so Everest is not a substitute for Territory and its kind, but more squarely in the offroader (e.g. Prado) camp.

They're all certainly cross-shopped and many buyers don't mind stepping from one to the other. But some of us emphatically want a (high-entry) car only. And all the on-road performance characteristics that go with that!

Or should I say, all the on-road performance characteristics that should go with that - some cut it, most don't.

Ben73 · 21-03-2015, 11:22 AM

I've said this before here but anyway, Prados are OK. I have driven about 26 different ones over 150,000kms with work. Not many problems until they hit 300,000kms. Last week I drove a 2012 gxl with 420,000kms on it and it drove like new, apart from a rattle from the front right hand side. A few others have had problems. A couple had major shudders under the vehicle while at low rpm, inner wheel guards falling off on at least 3, random rattles from the front, engine knocking when cold and I was told the steering wheel came off one when it hit a large bump on a dirt track.
These are work cars get treated a bit harder than the average owner will treat theirs, but still I'd never buy one. Slow which is terrible for rural road overtaking, handle like a boat and very expensive considering how basic they are. $60,000 for a GXL is way overpriced. The new ones with those DRL's look so damn ugly. Everest looks million times better. I'm not a fan of the rear of the Everest, but again looks great compared to the Prado.
We can only hope the Everest will be reliable, cheaper and have more features than the Prado and it will be awesome alternative.

Sprintey · 21-03-2015, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by new2ford

It's very difficult dragging recognition and understanding of the crossover out of this swamp of a segment! The crossover is a high-entry car with no offroad pretensions (though some may have limited ability in that regard). Territory and many others in that segment are crossovers, so Everest is not a substitute for Territory and its kind, but more squarely in the offroader (e.g. Prado) camp.

They're all certainly cross-shopped and many buyers don't mind stepping from one to the other. But some of us emphatically want a (high-entry) car only. And all the on-road performance characteristics that go with that!

Or should I say, all the on-road performance characteristics that should go with that - some cut it, most don't.

I think you mentioned before that the new X3 is about the only place we will find that Territory ride/handling mix in the future. Did you get to try one? I'll have mine in petrol, please

Out of interest we cross shopped Prado and AWD Territory in 2007 when buying ours. Having an ED Falcon and 60 Series cruiser, I wanted to combine aspects of the two. Moving away from an area where lots of 4wd work done, we chose Territory as it was more comfortable (especially middle row seats), handled beautifully, was very car-like, and had snow/track capability which was about all we needed. A great choice as I love the car, but if resale were our only criteria, the Prado of the same year is considerably ahead! Wonder if that will continue to happen in the segment - Toyota then daylight when it comes resale time?

Matty4 · 21-03-2015, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

The Everest is a prado competitor not a GC even though they will be crossed shopped. I believe the edge or explorer would be a true GC competitor.

Why would you say that?
Anyone looking for a 4WD with off road capabilities wouldn't be looking at a FWD Edge or Explorer (and before you argue, optional part-time AWD that sends power to the rear wheels when needed). Every Prado and GC (bar the base model 4x2) comes with fulltime 4WD, low range, and most likely better ground clearance.

I have a GC and I will be definately shopping the Everest against it when the time comes to change over (won't even entertain a Prado, can't stand them. Too old, slow, outdated etc etc IMHO)

new2ford · 21-03-2015, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Sprintey

I think you mentioned before that the new X3 is about the only place we will find that Territory ride/handling mix in the future. Did you get to try one? I'll have mine in petrol, please

I've been trialling "SUVs" far and wide looking for something that replicates the ride and handling of the Territory. Only BMW makes the grade (and a little bit better).

SumoDog68 · 21-03-2015, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by new2ford

I've been trialling "SUVs" far and wide looking for something that replicates the ride and handling of the Territory. Only BMW makes the grade (and a little bit better).

Porsche Macan and Q5 or Touareg no good ? 😊

new2ford · 21-03-2015, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SumoDog68

Porsche Macan and Q5 or Touareg no good ? 😊

I should have said I was sticking to an upper price level under 70k. If you can afford over that, the world's your oyster! Might have to check the prices of those though. There's always second hand too.

dead_man00124 · 15-06-2015, 04:37 PM

So official pricing has been released on there site and build your own

http://www.ford.com.au/suvs/new-everest#

starting price including onroads is just shy of $60k with going up to just over $85k for the top model

Martyvan · 15-06-2015, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by dead_man00124

So official pricing has been released on there site and build your own

http://www.ford.com.au/suvs/new-everest#

starting price including onroads is just shy of $60k with going up to just over $85k for the top model

Ouch at Titanium price... even the ambiente model (why would they call it that, i dont know) seemed priced out of the market... surely there is some level of error in that or mega margins.

Road_Warrior · 15-06-2015, 05:07 PM

'Ambiente' WTF, it isn't a Focus

paulb351 · 15-06-2015, 05:11 PM

Gives Toyota the opportunity to undercut on price with the Fortuner hilux based model and repeat the Kluger Territory demolition, deja-vu anyone???

dead_man00124 · 15-06-2015, 05:50 PM

that what I thought, the pricing seems way out of wack with territory pricing and even somewhat the competition. I might spend some time tonight and compare specs on each unit

EDIT: also the only options outside of paint is a towbar and SatNav on the lower end model
EDIT 2: only Cool White and True Red are no cost options, everything else add $500 for

SpoolMan · 15-06-2015, 05:58 PM

Its a fair whack for a base model.

dead_man00124 · 15-06-2015, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SpoolMan

Its a fair whack for a base model.

I agree, however it seems at the moment we are only getting the 4x4 with the 3.2L diesel engine and only in the auto :(

for reference the phillipines model option list link

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Breaking news! Stop the presses. And stop that SUV purchase for that matter—well, at least until September. Ford Philippines has finally unveiled the Philippine specifications, model variants, and pricing of the all-new 2015 Everest at its dynamic launch. After its global reveal in Beijing, its regional launch at the Bangkok International Motor Show and MIAS, you think you have everything you need to know about the Ford Everest. Except for the price. So, allow us to enlighten you. Read on.

Cutting to the chase, it comes with six variants (officially, five with the final one being an optional Premium package):
Ambiente 2.2 4x2 M/T: P 1,339,000
Ambiente 2.2 4x2 A/T: P 1,399,000
Trend 2.2 4x2 A/T: P 1,539,000
Titanium 2.2 4x2 A/T: P 1,639,000
Titanium 3.2 4x4 A/T: P 1,899,000
Titanium Premium 3.2 4x4 A/T: P 1,999,000
The optional Premium package contains the following additional equipment:
HID projector-type headlamps with auto-leveling and headlamp washer
LED daytime running lights
8-way power adjustable passenger seat
Power Fold third-row seat
Power Liftgate
240-volt inverter
Panoramic Moonroof
Heads-up Display
Adaptive Cruise Control
Lane Keeping Aid
Collision Mitigation
Active Park Assist

It seems we get mostly the fully optioned ones :(
conversion of the Titanium Premium 3.2 4x4 A/T: P 1,999,000 comes to just over $57k AUD

Not sure what options there premium comes with but already looks like we are rorted over $20k

Edit: there cheapest version seems to pop in at just over $40k AUD

paulb351 · 15-06-2015, 06:26 PM

Converting 1,999,000 Thai baht at current exchange rates comes to $76.5k plus gst and lct makes price comparable for the Titanium at least. Value question will be answered when Everest goes on sale. Depreciation on the Titanium would be eye watering I'm guessing...

dead_man00124 · 15-06-2015, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by paulb351

Converting 1,999,000 Thai baht at current exchange rates comes to $76.5k plus gst and lct makes price comparable for the Titanium at least. Value question will be answered when Everest goes on sale. Depreciation on the Titanium would be eye watering I'm guessing...

is that Baht of phillipines Peso on the site i linked? I assumed Peso as this is for the phillipines release.

Will correct my post if im wrong as the 2 different pricing variations are rather large

Edit: Ford Thailand Pricing

paulb351 · 15-06-2015, 06:53 PM

Whoops my bad, had been thinking made in Thailand rather than sold in Phillipines...

Tbm1121 · 15-06-2015, 07:02 PM

The car is only worth what people are prepared to pay for it, and that's what ford have looked at people are comfortable with buying a 55k XLT, ute, and they're comfortable paying 63k for a glx prado, and 90k for a glx 200 series, they're also looking at the mu-x and colorado7 and seeing just how much better they have made the car.

paulb351 · 15-06-2015, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Tbm1121

The car is only worth what people are prepared to pay for it, and that's what ford have looked at people are comfortable with buying a 55k XLT, ute, and they're comfortable paying 63k for a glx prado, and 90k for a glx 200 series, they're also looking at the mu-x and colorado7 and seeing just how much better they have made the car.

All true, $15k premium on a wildtrak ranger? Not sure on that as that coin pays for a lot of 4wd accessories. $35k premium on a territory titanium? Lot of difference in that...

As you say punters will vote with their cash (or not).

**DFB FGXR6** · 15-06-2015, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Tbm1121

The car is only worth what people are prepared to pay for it, and that's what ford have looked at people are comfortable with buying a 55k XLT, ute, and they're comfortable paying 63k for a glx prado, and 90k for a glx 200 series, they're also looking at the mu-x and colorado7 and seeing just how much better they have made the car.

The pricing also leaves room for the Territory/Edge in the range. Same thing as Toyota really.

I wasn't expecting it to that expensive to be honest. I thought we would get a RWD price fighter as well. That said, many many people pay that sort of money for a Prado and the Everest is going to be a much better product overall so the $$ might be worth it?

Tbm1121 · 15-06-2015, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

The pricing also leaves room for the Territory/Edge in the range. Same thing as Toyota really.

I wasn't expecting it to that expensive to be honest. I thought we would get a RWD price fighter as well. That said, many many people pay that sort of money for a Prado and the Everest is going to be a much better product overall so the $$ might be worth it?

They're probably testing the market too, they may add more options later, like manual and rwd variants. Which allows for movement. Right now they think auto is the key, and 4x4 is key, so they went for those for release models. Never say never

SumoDog68 · 15-06-2015, 07:36 PM

Everest is obviously targeting Prado , same as Grand Cherokee before it. That is a surprise as it is Ranger ute based .
It will be an interesting battle . Isuzu / Holden are covering the budget side of the equation with their MU -X Colorado twins along with Challanger . 4Runner will fight those later in the year.

Matty4 · 15-06-2015, 08:29 PM

I'm also curious as to why it has less power than the Ranger it's based on.
143kw vs 147kw (I know it's really inconsequential, but marketing types want all the bigger numbers they can get)

Cobramad · 15-06-2015, 08:43 PM

I really hope there is a manual option, for those of us who still remember how to change gears!! Would this mean we lose some functionality, such as HDC...?

Tbm1121 · 15-06-2015, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Cobramad

I really hope there is a manual option, for those of us who still remember how to change gears!! Would this mean we lose some functionality, such as HDC...?

If and when it comes, you shouldn't lose anything, hdc is in both gearbox rangers. It uses the abs system

Brazen · 15-06-2015, 09:45 PM

About 10 grand more than I was expecting. Be interesting to see how good it will be, bet the top spec titanium will look fantastic.

Prado doesn't seem such bad value now though

dead_man00124 · 15-06-2015, 09:51 PM

dont get me wrong, the Everest looks like a great bit of kit weather using for offroad or playing soccer mum. I'd be tempted to buy one if I could afford it.