FG X, The Last EVER Falcon - Picture & Discussion Thread

[fgpsi]

Originally Posted by spyman03

Hey,

Best I can do but not much new at this point


Spyman

that new spear looks worse than the current fg one

[spyman03]

Originally Posted by fgpsi

that new spear looks worse than the current fg one

Hey,
If you look back at the first pic of it I posted I was shattered myself

I still state that tezza's dash should have been used with the sweeping silver trim


Spyman

[stevefreestyle]

Originally Posted by FalconXV

Adaptive Cruise as well hopefully.

I'm not usually in favour of banning things (or the Nanny State), but I think Cruse Control should be banned - diminishes awareness et.al.

[LooLoo18]

Originally Posted by spyman03

Hey,

Best I can do but not much new at this point


Spyman

Please No No No

[SSVPom]

Originally Posted by spyman03

Hey,

Proving ground this week outside

Spyman

Just spotted this 'Everest' at Maroondah Hwy/Springvale Rd intersection in Nunawading ! Sitting amongst other SUVs doing the morning kids sport commute... Would have stood out less if it wasn't disguised !

[stevefreestyle]

Originally Posted by spyman03

Hey
it was this car and it was testing with said black fusion

Spyman

That's a US market Taurus SHO. Any possibility of a 272 Kw (365 Hp) Ecoboost V6 as a Falcon Replacement ? Although at $40K US, it is more expensive than the Mustang GT Premium.

http://www.ford.com/cars/taurus/trim/sho/

[Road_Warrior]

Originally Posted by stevefreestyle

That's a US market Taurus SHO. Any possibility of a 272 Kw (365 Hp) Ecoboost V6 as a Falcon Replacement ? Although at $40K US, it is more expensive than the Mustang GT Premium.

http://www.ford.com/cars/taurus/trim/sho/

No RHD, no deal.

That particular Toreass has been in FoA's inventory for a few years. Unless they have replaced it with another of the same colour.

[fgpsi]

the Torarse *** end looks so bad

[Focused]

Originally Posted by stevefreestyle

That's a US market Taurus SHO. Any possibility of a 272 Kw (365 Hp) Ecoboost V6 as a Falcon Replacement ? Although at $40K US, it is more expensive than the Mustang GT Premium.

http://www.ford.com/cars/taurus/trim/sho/

Nope. The media have been speculating that the Taurus was going to replace the Falcon for years and there's been current model SHOs spotted in Melbourne which have added fuel to the fire.
But it's not designed with RHD in mind and no one wants large sedans anyway so why replace an unpopular large sedan with another large sedan? Neither would sell.

[fordwood]

Well that explains what this is then... spotted at the intersection of Ferntree Gully Road and Blackburn road a couple of weeks ago

[PepeLePew]

Dash looks unfinished mule style, doubt if it's fully representative of the finished product.

[Giant Cranium]

Originally Posted by stevefreestyle

I'm not usually in favour of banning things (or the Nanny State), but I think Cruse Control should be banned - diminishes awareness et.al.

Of topic but are you dead set? Cruise is brilliant. More time with eyes on the road not looking at the speedo every 30 seconds and if you want you can have your foot hovering over the brake pedal in case of an incident ahead. But if awareness is taking your eyes away from the road and your surroundings to look at a dial than so be it.

[FocusLX06]

Originally Posted by Giant Cranium

Of topic but are you dead set? Cruise is brilliant. More time with eyes on the road not looking at the speedo every 30 seconds and if you want you can have your foot hovering over the brake pedal in case of an incident ahead. But if awareness is taking your eyes away from the road and your surroundings to look at a dial than so be it.

Totally agree, if more people used cruise control we'd have far less congestion on our roads.

[Focused]

Originally Posted by Giant Cranium

Of topic but are you dead set? Cruise is brilliant. More time with eyes on the road not looking at the speedo every 30 seconds and if you want you can have your foot hovering over the brake pedal in case of an incident ahead. But if awareness is taking your eyes away from the road and your surroundings to look at a dial than so be it.

Here here.

There's always an element of the community that will be able to criticize anything... be it useful features like cruise control or safety advances like seat belts, ABS and ESP.

Having said that, it's nice to see the negativity in this thread directed towards something other than the Falcon.

[responsef6]

Agree with stevefreestyle, cruise is bad. Maybe some enthusiasts hover foot over brake and use cruise for more conscious scanning if environment, but most average drivers use it in a lazy manner, with right foot relaxing off to the right side wall next to accelerator pedal.
3 things
1. Reaction time to incident to get foot across from right wall across and over the face of accelerator to brake pedal (lets not even discuss those who panic in an incident and jam down on the wrong pedal by accident). This is even worse in heavy city traffic where speed needs constant adjusting with accelerator and brake due to traffic
2. Accelerator Pedal feedback is now gone, hills bends etc we are now only relying on sight alone and not the combination of pedal feel and sight. Whoops did we just go into a tight bend at110 without easing off the accelerator because cruise actually increased throttle opening to maintain speed.
3. Dumbing down driving- once again an enthusiast might take advantage of cruise for better situational awareness, but for most cruise just switches their mind further off from conscious driving, making it even easier and less engaging, until they run into someone or something.

It is my belief cruise is responsible for a lot of single vehicle accidents in the country, sure microsleep & drowsing is the main cause, but what causes microsleep? Being less present and engaged whilst driving. The car doing half the driving job for you!

[block58]

Originally Posted by responsef6

It is my belief cruise is responsible for a lot of single vehicle accidents in the country, sure microsleep & drowsing is the main cause, but what causes microsleep? Being less present and engaged whilst driving. The car doing half the driving job for you!

You sound like one of the people on my daily trip to Ballarat who's speed is constantly changing between 85km/h and 110km/h. That is, the sort of person who makes me hope the next Falcon has adaptive cruise so the car can deal with these sporadic speed changes for me.

[responsef6]

Thanks for the gross assumptions and personal attack mate. Good stuff!

Have adaptive cruise on my 2013 jeep grand Cherokee so can compare from real experience. Adaptive is fine in light to medium traffic, but jeep/chrysler/Mercedes adaptive cruise disengages under 30km under heavy braking with warnings chimes flashing lights etc and by then if there is heavy braking required and you're not already on the pedal as with normal driving, you're stuffed. After testing it for a month, I choose not to use it and to actually use normal driving skills and remain an active driver and keep constant speed.

No variations to the speed limit as youve accused, it's called throttle modulation, you should try it. Works better than cruise if you actually drive your car

When we are all passengers in the google car that does everything from start to finish with 100% safety, then it's different , but for now while people are doing half the job, it's more of a problem for the general population who'd rather be on facebook for their whole journey than actually drive.

And I'd expect most on this forum actually want to drive their cars

[Focused]

Originally Posted by responsef6

It is my belief cruise is responsible for a lot of single vehicle accidents in the country, sure microsleep & drowsing is the main cause, but what causes microsleep? Being less present and engaged whilst driving. The car doing half the driving job for you!

Microsleeps are caused by being tired. Being less present or engaged might make you bored, but it won't make you fall asleep. You might argue that the radio is distracting and makes drivers less present and engaged with their driving, but I'd argue it keeps them awake.

And I'd expect most on this forum actually want to drive their cars

On interesting roads then yes, but when you're driving 2.5hrs on open roads to and from work, then no, I just want to get to my destination.

I must admit I struggle to understand how driving along a perfectly flat and straight highway is any less safe by using a button or a foot pedal. The time taken to move the foot to the brake pedal would be minimal and if someone's panicking then they could just as easily press the accelerator pedal with or without cruise control.

Have adaptive cruise on my 2013 jeep grand Cherokee so can compare from real experience. Adaptive is fine in light to medium traffic, but jeep/chrysler/Mercedes adaptive cruise disengages under 30km under heavy braking with warnings chimes flashing lights etc and by then if there is heavy braking required and you're not already on the pedal as with normal driving, you're stuffed. After testing it for a month, I choose not to use it and to actually use normal driving skills and remain an active driver and keep constant speed.

The adaptive cruise control is designed for highway driving with speeds changing between 95 and 100ish, not the city driving where cars are moving at 30km/s. And if you're doing under 30kms/h on highway, something is wrong and you shouldn't be using cruise control anyway.

[block58]

Originally Posted by responsef6

Thanks for the gross assumptions and personal attack mate. Good stuff!

No personal attack, just my observations from being behind people with late model cars which I know have cruise control. It's all good and well that you are able to modulate your throttle well, and if I was driving behind you, I would appreciate that. The fact is that many people who don't have or refuse to use cruise control cannot maintain a constant speed.

Which is why I would like the feature in the new Falcon.

[BHDOGS]

So people are **** drivers and cant maintain speeds so you want a machine to do it for them so they never learn and remain **** drivers for life good point you have there.

[Focused]

Originally Posted by BHDOGS

So people are **** drivers and cant maintain speeds so you want a machine to do it for them so they never learn and remain **** drivers for life good point you have there.

Well yes actually. Not everyone wants to be a race car driver so if they're assisted in not causing inconvenience for other road users then that's a good thing.

[spyman03]

Hey,

I better get this dash pic cropped quickly ..........


Spyman

[Auslandau]

I am sure the new Falcon will have that new fandangled Cruisy Control thingy ......... so now we can get back to the subject of the new Falcon

As far as the spears go, would put a bet on the fact that the spears will be the last thing that goes in. I sat in the new Ranger at Ford ZA South Africa a few years ago and mentioned that the dash looked very cheap and crappy. Was promptly laughed at

[block58]

Originally Posted by BHDOGS

So people are **** drivers and cant maintain speeds so you want a machine to do it for them so they never learn and remain **** drivers for life good point you have there.

I actually said I want a machine to do it for me, not for them. In addition to that, these drivers are all different ages, which goes to show that if you are unwilling to learn then you wont.

These people *do not care* about modulating speed, they look at the speedo, see they are doing 10 under so speed up, look at their speedo, see they are doing 10 over so hit the brakes. Not fun to drive behind.

[spyman03]

Originally Posted by Auslandau

I sat in the new Ranger at Ford ZA South Africa a few years ago and mentioned that the dash looked very cheap and crappy. Was promptly laughed at

Hey,

And I sat in the new Everest and said the interior was.....well "ranger " for a completely ground up SUV


Spyman

[PepeLePew]

Ask the poor buggers in draconian states with low km speed tolerance what they think of cruise. If any tool can save us from spending every moment of our lives wondering about 2kmh it's a good thing. Back on topic before this thread gets as diluted as the other please.

[LooLoo18]

Originally Posted by spyman03

Hey,

I better get this dash pic cropped quickly ..........


Spyman

Cropped yet?

[block58]

Here is an rough, updated photo of what I think the butt end of the FH will look like based on spy photos:

[Focused]

Originally Posted by spyman03

Hey,

And I sat in the new Everest and said the interior was.....well "ranger " for a completely ground up SUV


Spyman

That was possibly just a mule, though. At the Going Further event in Sydney that a few of us were invited to they had an image of the Everest's interior. I was surprised that none of the media picked up on it and I've lost the photo I took. For the others that were there, it was one of several photos presented on a table with heaps of Everest sketches and that clay model.
From what I can remember, it had the Ranger's door-pulls but the rest of the dash was different. The current Ranger interior is OK but they'd want/need a new interior for a 2015 model.

Sorry, back to the Falcon.

[spvd02]

The new Falcon should have the speed limiter feature, as in the Focus. Very handy in city traffic, allowing you to do any speed up to the limit you set. Absolutely brilliant feature!